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Your post makes no sense. Paid streaming is the future. Pirate streams is still pirating and is still illegal. While I haven't heard of anyone getting sued for streaming, it wouldn't surprise me, and I don't want to be in the first batch to get nailed with it.

Btw, ripping a bluray I own is in no way illegal, same as ripping a cd you own is not illegal. In the US you are allowed to backup your content.

Circumventing copy protection is illegal period. You show me one court case that says that it is ok to do that. Hand break with all those other apps allow you to do just that. You think just because you own it that you have the right to do what ever to it? Please show me just one legal instance where you are right. I can show you tons that says your wrong. On the other hand I can't find one court case that anyone to this point has gotten sued by streaming over the net.

For example....
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-5128652-1.html

There are cases like this everywhere. Again just because you think it's ok doesn't mean it is. You show me on your DVD, br, or cd where it says it's ok to copy it. Those companies that deem it ok will give you a code or will have a digital copy along with the movie so you can put it on media players. But they don't give you the right to use any software to circumvent the copy protection.
 
Is your house wired? That is, is your AppleTV going to be connected via ethernet?

If not, then you're going to have to transcode to a lower bitrate since wireless can't do it.

If it is, then I would just suggest getting an old mini. I know it's bigger and 4x the cost but it will save you transcoding 4TB worth of stuff, multiplying your storage needs by 1.5x, and having the pain in the ass of transcoding every new bluray you rip.
 
Is your house wired? That is, is your AppleTV going to be connected via ethernet?

If not, then you're going to have to transcode to a lower bitrate since wireless can't do it.

If it is, then I would just suggest getting an old mini. I know it's bigger and 4x the cost but it will save you transcoding 4TB worth of stuff, multiplying your storage needs by 1.5x, and having the pain in the ass of transcoding every new bluray you rip.

Exactly, it just doesn't make any sence to be ripping br movies.
 
Exactly, it just doesn't make any sence to be ripping br movies.

It does when you have a 100 inch projector in your basement with a nice speaker setup. The bitrate of 30-40 MBs plus hd audio make a huge difference. Sure if all you have is a 40 inch tv it's probably not worth the space. A 100 inch screen is about 5 times the size of 40 inch. Your streams you get a probably 5mbs at the most. I guarantee you they would look like crap on that screen. Don't act like just because you have low standards for media quality that everyone should conform to them.

Btw, the law is it is illegal to distribute software that breaks the copy protection. It is legal under the fair use act to make a backup of your media. I'm not distributing the software, I'm using it. And I am entitled to make backups. Either way this is a dumb argument. I'm more concerned with the fact that you think your streaming video is the end all. It has uses, but it is very limited until 100mps home connections become the norm. When I can stream bluray quality legally I will gladly ditch the discs. As it stands the discs I buy go straight to storage after they are ripped.
 
Is your house wired? That is, is your AppleTV going to be connected via ethernet?

If not, then you're going to have to transcode to a lower bitrate since wireless can't do it.

If it is, then I would just suggest getting an old mini. I know it's bigger and 4x the cost but it will save you transcoding 4TB worth of stuff, multiplying your storage needs by 1.5x, and having the pain in the ass of transcoding every new bluray you rip.

It is wired. The main resason I wanted an apple tv was for AirPlay. All this is kinda an after thought. I was just trying to work with what I had.
 
I don't understand.....what's questionable sources? For starters he is already using XBMC , which means he is already doing something Apple doesn't want him to do. That also means he is or has already been on the XBMC forums. I don't think those guys on XBMC are questionable sources. What's questionable is why he is ripping his own BR movies? You can only watch it on one tv any way. Most people that rip movies are already doing questionable things. So if you already are waist deep in doing questionable things why not do a little more research and cut those questionable things to a limit? Streaming movies and tv is much less questionable than ripping is any day. At least you are not storing questionable data on hard drives. Let's say he gets caught with that data, then unless he has physical originals then he will get in tons of trouble. Heck they could even make a case that even that is illegal. But streaming is usually a one time thing that you don't keep anything. I personally would prefer to stream.

Talk about trying to convince yourself that what you're doing isn't illegal...

If you have no concern about the legality about your streaming sources, what's with all the veiled references and vague descriptions, why not just state where you get your 'legal' streams from?

Ripping movies is pirating with the intent of distribution. I mean really....why do you need to copy your own stuff? Just use the original. The original is better anyway.

"Ripping movies is pirating with the intent of distribution." Just simply wrong. Ripping is copying the media to your HDD, has absolutely nothing to do with pirating and distribution.

Why would one need a copy? Last time I checked neither the iPad, iPod, iPhone, or Apple TV have an optical drive capable of playing either a DVD or Blu-ray disk.

I know your trying to justify it, but even though your telling yourself that its ok. Copying DVD's, CD's, BR Movies etc even if it belongs to you is illegal. LOL The software that you use is made to copy movies you make yourself. Not to rip store purchased movies. There have been many lawsuits that the RIAA has won over software that does this.

Any way the point I am getting at is this. If you are going to copy the stuff just save yourself some hassle and time and just stream it. You can't get in trouble by doing that. I mean really every movie says you can't copy it in the very beginning not to mention on the backs of boxes etc.

Just save yourself some headache, jailbreak your ATV2, install XBMC and stream what you want.

Heck how many cases have you heard of someone getting sued for streaming something from online? I have never... Streaming is the future. Media is so old school. After the new OSX and iOS is released even Apple is no longer using Media.

I have a crappy DSL and I stream tv,movies etc great with now pausing. With a decent connection you are set.

And where do you think those streams are coming from? Again, I didn't know the studios had given any companies permission to stream movies as soon as the DVD/Blu-ray is released, and for free, no less--what a deal! Care to share a link to should a great source?

Didn't think so.
 
It is wired. The main resason I wanted an apple tv was for AirPlay. All this is kinda an after thought. I was just trying to work with what I had.

For starters what does the size of your tv have to do with you ripping your movies? Also why assume we all have and I have a 40 inch tv. In my house there is nothing less than a 52. No its not a 100 inch screen. But i personally think the quality of projectors cant touch the quality of a halfway decent LED or LCD tv. My cousin just ditched his 100 inch screen and HD projector for a 40 inch 3D LCD. But that again has nothing to do with copying your media.

Also I am not sure how old you are, but just because there is software being sold that allows you to circumvent copy protection doesn't make it legal. Software like that has been out since 3.5 inch floppies. That is nothing new. The movie companies put copy protection on their media for a reason.

Lets say the RIAA came to both of our houses. Who do you think they would more likely take to court? The person with no "Copies" stored on mass media or the person that owns no movies and has no movies on any harddrives?

Bottom line is this, what your trying to do with that ATV is not what the intentions was for and it does not have the capabilities to do it. If you gotta have your super quality copies streamed in your house then you need to set up a nice media pc or mac.
 
Talk about trying to convince yourself that what you're doing isn't illegal...

If you have no concern about the legality about your streaming sources, what's with all the veiled references and vague descriptions, why not just state where you get your 'legal' streams from?



"Ripping movies is pirating with the intent of distribution." Just simply wrong. Ripping is copying the media to your HDD, has absolutely nothing to do with pirating and distribution.

Why would one need a copy? Last time I checked neither the iPad, iPod, iPhone, or Apple TV have an optical drive capable of playing either a DVD or Blu-ray disk.



And where do you think those streams are coming from? Again, I didn't know the studios had given any companies permission to stream movies as soon as the DVD/Blu-ray is released, and for free, no less--what a deal! Care to share a link to should a great source?

Didn't think so.

LOL actually what I am saying is the opposite. I say if your going to do something illegal stop trying to justify it. If your going to illegally circumvent copy protection to attempt to stream BR quality media to an Apple TV thats just stupid. It cant and wont work. So since it cant and wont work and you have to basically kill the quality. Then I am saying you might as well just jailbreak it and stream it.

Also you ask why would you need a copy? Well i am not the one wanting to copy the stuff. I totally agree with that. I still dont understand why someone would want to use tons of harddrive space to stream personal BR movies. BR players are so cheap hell get one for both or all your tv's. I dont get that at all. To me it sounds like someone that wants to rent, copy , take back then still enjoy it.

Bottom line is this, you are putting yourself at a much higher risk of getting in trouble copying movies and having that stuff in your house than the next person streaming that has noting. The streamer cant copy, cant lend, resell, upload any of that stuff.
 
This conversation is going nowhere. You have no idea what you are talking about. Hdd space is dirt cheap. It is much better experience for me to have everything I own ripped with a nice media front end. Also, it's not so much that I care about streaming bluray quality with my apple tv, I care about it in my theater room. I was more looking for a way to use my existing files, how is that hard to understand.

Also, you have no idea what a good projector can look like. Sure if your friend had a cheap $700 projector a nice LCD does probably look better. You know movie theaters use projectors right? You are writing off a entire range of products based on limited exposure.

I would also say you are much more likely to get busted. What happens when your streaming source gets busted and hands over ip addresses? Unlikely sure, but more so then the mpaa randomly knocking on my door lookin for ripped DVDs. You can keep trying to justify your 'free' streaming all you want. My ripping may be questionable, yours is flat illegal.
 
I would also say you are much more likely to get busted. What happens when your streaming source gets busted and hands over ip addresses? Unlikely sure, but more so then the mpaa randomly knocking on my door lookin for ripped DVDs. You can keep trying to justify your 'free' streaming all you want. My ripping may be questionable, yours is flat illegal.

I really don't want to nose in on this conversation as you and iceman have completely taken a thread that could have been helpful to more than just yourself and turned it into a counterproductive argument. But if that is what it has become, I wish to throw in my .02. In all honesty you would most likely get in trouble before him.

Most of the streaming movies and television shows are the US channels and television shows, but are streamed from China. Due to the intent and manner in which it is streamed, there are no laws saying it is illegal and it is unprosecutable. I neither condone nor would take part in the streaming as it is completely shady.

It is not necessarily legal, but it is no way, shape, or form illegal. You would probably get busted on intent to distribute before they could ever find something to prosecute him for that might have a chance of sticking.
 
I really don't want to nose in on this conversation as you and iceman have completely taken a thread that could have been helpful to more than just yourself and turned it into a counterproductive argument. But if that is what it has become, I wish to throw in my .02. In all honesty you would most likely get in trouble before him.

Most of the streaming movies and television shows are the US channels and television shows, but are streamed from China. Due to the intent and manner in which it is streamed, there are no laws saying it is illegal and it is unprosecutable. I neither condone nor would take part in the streaming as it is completely shady.

It is not necessarily legal, but it is no way, shape, or form illegal. You would probably get busted on intent to distribute before they could ever find something to prosecute him for that might have a chance of sticking.

He doesn't understand that.
 
It does when you have a 100 inch projector in your basement with a nice speaker setup. The bitrate of 30-40 MBs plus hd audio make a huge difference. Sure if all you have is a 40 inch tv it's probably not worth the space. A 100 inch screen is about 5 times the size of 40 inch. Your streams you get a probably 5mbs at the most. I guarantee you they would look like crap on that screen. Don't act like just because you have low standards for media quality that everyone should conform to them.

Btw, the law is it is illegal to distribute software that breaks the copy protection. It is legal under the fair use act to make a backup of your media. I'm not distributing the software, I'm using it. And I am entitled to make backups. Either way this is a dumb argument. I'm more concerned with the fact that you think your streaming video is the end all. It has uses, but it is very limited until 100mps home connections become the norm. When I can stream bluray quality legally I will gladly ditch the discs. As it stands the discs I buy go straight to storage after they are ripped.

Oh yeah BTW....back ups of you media is for media that you have created. Home movies etc....Media that you have not created ie...XMen, Spiderman etc...Is not included. No where in the packages of the media copiers does it say its ok to use the software to rip store purchased movies. If you make a home movie with one of those cams with the dvd or br drive. You have to RIP them to put them on your computer. Here is where that software comes in.

Also I think the quality of the projectors in the theaters suck. I have yet to see any projector that looks better than even the cheapest LCD or LED TV. Also my cousin paid several thousand for his projector with his expensive ass bulbs that have to be replaced. LOL Projectors suck. I will take my 60 inch and 55 inch LCD's over any projectors I have seen any day. But what ever floats your boat. One day you will learn.
 
Interesting debate, I never thought I'd see a copyright debate in a thread like this.

Ahem...first, let me say that I am a music publisher, songwriter and copyright holder. This is my world and my profession, I do know what I'm talking about. I am also a strong advocate against the digital piracy of music, software and video.

There is currently no standing law in the US that forbids an individual from making backup copies of media. That can be software, videos, music etc. In the case of some software, there may be contractual obligations that prohibit such things, but there is no standing law against it. This can also be true for music, film or video used by professional institutions.

In the case of CDs/DVDs sold on the consumer market there is no contract between the individual purchaser and the copyright holder. There are laws that explicitly prevent the reproduction and distribution of that media, which includes giving it away for free, but there is nothing--absolutely nothing--that says an individual user cannot copy it for backup or other personal use. The MPAA may still be trying to make that assertion, but the RIAA gave up on it years ago because there is no law on the books to support it.

Streaming media online is often quite legal as well, assuming the source of the stream is paying the necessary licensing fees to the copyright holders. This means that they must be making money by offering their streaming service--and despite what many believe--ads do not generate enough revenue to support an operation like that. If the site you're streaming from isn't charging you anything, it's a safe assumption it isn't legal.

In that case, the viewer of the stream is not likely to be considered liable. The source of the stream would be, because they copied the media and distributed it. The end user can make the claim that they believed it was legal and legitimate and there would be no real way to prove otherwise.

The question was asked "Who would go to jail if the RIAA or MPAA came to your house?" The streamer or the OP?

The answer is neither of you would. There would be evidence against the streamer, kept by his ISP, but the case would be a dead end. It would be impossible to know what was watched, whether he/she were complicit in the online distribution venture etc. Basically, it isn't really legal, but there's no provable case.

For the OP, existing law would have to be cited to file any charges. Because there is no existing law, that wouldn't be possible. Case closed.

The other reality of course is that neither the RIAA or the MPAA will come knocking on your door. If they do, tell them to leave! They aren't the police, they don't have warrants, and they don't have rights to search your property--and quite frankly--they never will.

There will be legislation passed, probably before the end of this year that clears up a lot of the vague legal questions regarding piracy of IP. If the RIAA and MPAA spend enough money, they might get something into it prohibiting the copying of your own stuff--but that's pretty unlikely. You will be hard pressed to find a single person who would say you don't have a right to copy things that you've legitimately purchased, for legitimately personal use.

As I said, I work in music publishing, and my opinion is the same. If you buy it, you can play it, copy it, play the copies, use if for target practice--I don't care, you bought it so it's yours. My opinion is shared by the vast majority in my industry as well.
 
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