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Honestly, what else can the iPhone do?

The Camera control, is a massive technological feat. It's not a button, it connects to the Taptic Engine, you can change functionality and zoom by sliding your finger.

The Cameras are unbelievable, you have 5x in the palm of your hand. Yes, it could be 48MP (the only downside I can think of) and Apple Intelligence looks unbelievable.

I used to upgrade every year from iPhone 3S to iPhone 8; then every 2 years: XS, 12, 14, and now I'll get the 16PM, but this is normal with tech. Is like comparing CRT TV, Plasma, LCD, Oled. You don't change TV every year. You don't change gaming console every year.

I feel I don't get all the value I can get from the phone, as I just started playing with shortcuts.

We have reached the maturity curve of the tech on a handheld device. I think that people have lost the power of surprise.

Honestly, what is missing from the iPhone that would make "Apple (or any other tech company) not lazy"?
I've been asking some variation of this but no one seems to have an answer. General ennui with technology is the sense I'm getting, rather than appreciation for the complexities of what Apple still manages to pull off. I was listening to music in the car, transferred them to my AirPods as I walked, and then handed off to my HomePod when I got home. My control center widgets let me turn on all my lights right when I walked in. I can shoot in 48mp RAW and edit a photo with great detail on my phone before sending them to anyone in the world. My phone is my main device and paying to upgrade annually is a no brainer for me. If that's not one's feel, then don't upgrade until you need to?
 
You could have 5,000 salaried software testers working 40 hours a week testing the new iOS, and after 6 months they will have done 5 million hours of testing. If they are earning even $30,000p.a., it would cost Apple $75 million dollars.

How many people download the new iOS on day one? Maybe 200 million? If so, after ONE HOUR of use each, the users will have been ‘testing’ the software a combined FORTY TIMES longer than you have in the last six months.

At this scale there will always be QA issues that don’t show up until the software is out there.
Explain this: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m4-ipad-pros-seem-to-brick-with-ios18.2436584/
 
I've been asking some variation of this but no one seems to have an answer. General ennui with technology is the sense I'm getting, rather than appreciation for the complexities of what Apple still manages to pull off. I was listening to music in the car, transferred them to my AirPods as I walked, and then handed off to my HomePod when I got home. My control center widgets let me turn on all my lights right when I walked in. I can shoot in 48mp RAW and edit a photo with great detail on my phone before sending them to anyone in the world. My phone is my main device and paying to upgrade annually is a no brainer for me. If that's not one's feel, then don't upgrade until you need to?
Yeah, people are taking for granted how seamless Apple makes everything. The camera control button is a great example of that. They're simulating the feel of a real button by using tiny motors. Think about that for a second. What other company does that as well as Apple?
 
Honestly, what else can the iPhone do?

The Camera control, is a massive technological feat. It's not a button, it connects to the Taptic Engine, you can change functionality and zoom by sliding your finger.

It is also a button. I think that is what makes it so cool to me is that it is a physical button while also having the controls on top of it. I am looking forward to seeing what all it ends up being able to do down the line.

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Effectively a pill shaped mini trackpad at the side of the phone. It's too bad they didn't also incorporate TouchID into this button while they were at it. While neat for the camera, I am hoping they open this up to developers for other applications. Even simply as a way to swipe up and down to get notifications, or control center (Similar to how Pixel phones let you do that with the rear finger-print sensor), would be great!

Looking forward to testing it out, but this alone pales compared to where we could be now if 3D Touch was left in the phones if Apple evangelized it better, and developers continued support it.

To this day, it is an input method I miss, that added another layer of control that no other phones have. Sadly Apple forgot about it, then removed after the XS. Anyone that states that long press is the same thing, never truly used or understood 3D Touch. It is still a loss of an input method.
 
I was always the one asking why they keep hyping camera improvements. This the first year where the camera really really matters too me since it’s drives my videos.
 
I was always the one asking why they keep hyping camera improvements. This the first year where the camera really really matters too me since it’s drives my videos.

Video and stills taken with iPhone: a very important part of the iPhone's use case. It's the one camera people always have with them. It matters.
 
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I was always the one asking why they keep hyping camera improvements. This the first year where the camera really really matters too me since it’s drives my videos.
The iPhone still takes the best video of any smartphone, and now we have slow motion 4K … in a phone. If video is important to you, this upgrade is pretty significant.
 
I’m sticking with my 12 Pro Max for another year at least. AI being the selling feature frankly turns me off. Camera upgrades are fine but I already have a very nice mirrorless camera and can easily keep it for a decade plus with no complaints, so paying every year or every other year for camera improvements seems irrelevant.
 
I don’t know if I’m alone and I very well may be in the minority here but Apple is getting really lazy to me.

Here’s my thought, let’s only go back as iPhone X- when a “new iPhone era was born”. Now grant every year there’s a better camera, better cup and potentially better battery life - but that aside:

iPhone X - truly a worthy upgrade from any other iPhone including iPhone 8
iPhone XS - bigger screen - yay!
iPhone 11 - slightly larger screen, better camera - ultra wide, and CPU (same upgrades every year)
iPhone 12 - brings back a similar iPhone 4 design, 5G, brings 3 back cameras, and MagSafe - fun upgraded nothing revolutionary , but MagSafe is fantastic to me
iPhone 13 - smaller notch (improvement, but nothing mind blowing)
iPhone 14 - Dynamic Island - again fun, but other than moving down a few mm and creatively creating a “Dynamic Island” out of it, crash detection, satellite connectivity, and eSIM, while impressive and satellite and 5G very welcoming, nothing too mind blowing
iPhone 15 - swap mute button for the action button, and due to EU regulation, finally, USB-C port. Again, it took some creative engineering but nothing mind blowing

And now 16… AI (mainly powered by ChatGPT), and adding yet another camera feature with the new button, again nothing mind blowing.

iPhone X to iPhone 16 you can see incremental upgrades which are nice, but nothing is “revolutionary”. And I feel Apple has embraced the fact that they will sell no matter what and gave up on trying to innovate.

Of course this is pure subjective speculation but am I the only one who feels like Apple just stopped caring because they know they will sell?

what are you looking for your phone to do that it can't do now?
 
Smartphones matured several years ago and each year it’s incremental updates and I think that’s a good thing.

I’ve never understood the appeal of upgrading every year like some do here, that must be so boring. Leave it two or three years and at least you notice a difference. That’s my advice for people who are bored with how unimpressive they find current iPhones.
Sometimes it’s about nothing to lose. Generally you get more on the return and for the small difference I get a new battery, generally a better camera, new AppleCare. I use my phone more than any computer so the couple hundred a year it really costs me is worth it
 
Sometimes it’s about nothing to lose. Generally you get more on the return and for the small difference I get a new battery, generally a better camera, new AppleCare. I use my phone more than any computer so the couple hundred a year it really costs me is worth it

Sure, but it’s still a different experience than the people who upgrade every 2,3 or 4 years and actually see a larger difference in features. These phones aren’t designed to be obsolete after just 12 months and the fact the normal average upgrade cycle is now apparently 3 to 4 years shows just what consumers think of the updates and likely the pricing structure.

I’m upgrading to a 16 Pro Max from a 13 Pro Max this year and it’ll probably be a bit more exciting than those coming from last years iPhone.
 
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The 16 pro and the max looks the same I agree with that.

But look at the inside the new battery, A18 pro, this capture button. All of that takes time and R&D to perfect.

We will start seeing android phones in a couple years copying this capture button.

I buy a phone for the overall performance and ecosystem. Something that android is lacking.
Samsung already had an extra button but they used it for bixy, their smart assistant. It is apple that copied the extra button.
 
Why do you need validation from others on a product you no longer want to support? You could do this comparison on cars, trucks, video games system and find similar results.

What amazes me is someone buys and iPhone and uses it to surf the web, take a few pics, play games, etc. Whatever people use their phones for. Then there are people like myself that use it to take pics, videos, edit videos, post content on social media, create content for social media.. I write-off my phone as a business expense and my phone allows me to make money! Content creation for social media including YouTube, taking pics for Shopify/Big Cartel online stores, posting things for sale via various marketplaces, etc.

Every 3 years or so my iPhone seems to get a little long in the tooth. I have no problem spending $1,500 - $2,000 every 36 months or so on something that is so important to what I do and that is just for my hobbies (separate from my day job). I know people who spend $5-$10 a DAY at Starbucks. Lets say that is $50 a week x 52 weeks in a year. $2,600 a YEAR on coffee type drinks! You can quickly see paying $1500 for something every 36 months isn't really that big of a deal even if you have to do the device payment.

I look at a post like this and want to respond with... how are you, in 2024, not using a nice tech device like an iPhone (or Pixel or whatever) to make money? Use it for video creation, posting classifieds on Marketplace, creating an online stores, etc. I have the 1 TB iPhone (I record a lot of videos are car/truck/hot rod shows) and I have 742 GBs avail. It isn't the cheapest model of course but I do use it and it works to my benefit.

Figure out a way to justify doing more with what your buying or buy something else. There are always cheaper products in the market. If it is too much for you or you are mad Apple hasn't advanced more... then so be it.. no need to tell the world in a forum. Record a video and put it on YouTube (with your iPhone lol) and make money off bashing companies. People do it all the time. See I just gave you an idea!
 
Last night I set up a new Apple TV. I say "set up" but actually I turned it on and it asked if I wanted to set up via iPhone. Yes. One minute later, I'm logged in without doing anything. It asks if I want to use "one screen" so it syncs with my other Apple TV Home Screen. Yes. Now the apps are all downloaded and the screen layout is identical.

Exceptionally easy and quick. For anyone who says Apple isn't innovative, I dare you to plug in a Chromecast and try to change the wifi network, following Google's instructions as you go. To say it's a night and day difference is an understatement.

Too many people are obsessing over innovation being limited to disrupting a market with new hardware, when actually Apple is excelling in experience, seamless integration between devices, and removing friction.
 
I look at a post like this and want to respond with... how are you, in 2024, not using a nice tech device like an iPhone (or Pixel or whatever) to make money? Use it for video creation, posting classifieds on Marketplace, creating an online stores, etc. I have the 1 TB iPhone (I record a lot of videos are car/truck/hot rod shows) and I have 742 GBs avail. It isn't the cheapest model of course but I do use it and it works to my benefit.

Figure out a way to justify doing more with what your buying or buy something else. There are always cheaper products in the market. If it is too much for you or you are mad Apple hasn't advanced more... then so be it.. no need to tell the world in a forum. Record a video and put it on YouTube (with your iPhone lol) and make money off bashing companies. People do it all the time. See I just gave you an idea!
Do you run ecom businesses?
 
As someone who has a 15 Pro and 16 Pro right now, they're utterly lazy and pathetic right now.

The UI on the 16 Pro is pathetically lazy, larger borders instead of more screen usage and the camera button is SLOWER than the on screen controls.

RETURN TO SENDER.


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As someone who has a 15 Pro and 16 Pro right now, they're utterly lazy and pathetic right now.

The UI on the 16 Pro is pathetically lazy, larger borders instead of more screen usage and the camera button is SLOWER than the on screen controls.

RETURN TO SENDER.


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Imagine being upset that the device you bought 12 months ago hasn't been made obsolete 🤦‍♂️
 
Imagine you advertise larger displays but all you do is magnify instead of allow more info on the display.

You might love being mugged off by Apple but I don't.
If you don't want to be "mugged off" why are you buying a new phone 12 months after the last one, knowing that it's fairly incremental? This is such common information now that even the guy who sold me my phone in the Apple Store this morning told me there's no point upgrading every year and hasn't been since the 6.
 
You could have 5,000 salaried software testers working 40 hours a week testing the new iOS, and after 6 months they will have done 5 million hours of testing. If they are earning even $30,000p.a., it would cost Apple $75 million dollars.

How many people download the new iOS on day one? Maybe 200 million? If so, after ONE HOUR of use each, the users will have been ‘testing’ the software a combined FORTY TIMES longer than you have in the last six months.

At this scale there will always be QA issues that don’t show up until the software is out there.
I have used apple products since the IIe in 1984, and since Cook took over, the QC has been utter garbage. Cook is FAR more concerned with profits than innovation, consumer experience - or anything else, and Jobs would be rolling in his grave seeing the assembly-line factory garbage Cook has been spewing the last several years.

For the first time in over 40 years I am seriously considering leaving apple for my primary computers, and am reviewing my android phone options after 15 years of iphone usage.

I had planned to purchase an iphone 15 pro this month when the 16s were introduced, but under Cook's horrid "leadership" the 15 pro has been pulled off the site and can only be purchased in a 3rd party (telecom company) store, who is of course, charging a premium for a phone over a year old.

This raping of the consumer to force them into buying only the 16 pro is appalling, and indicative of a company that lacks confidence in the quality of its new products. If the 16 was so amazing, they would not have to force people into it, or have to scrounge around looking for the 15 pro on ebay or who knows where.

I own thousands of apple shares, but they are headed into irrelevance at this point with little or no innovation, living off their rep. Their products just are not worth the premium any longer, and I am considering selling all the shares and moving into alternative product offerings.

/rant
 
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Idk man, the mid 90s were a bit of a wasteland too. Better make sure to save that document every 5 minutes in case your LCIII just decides to crash and kill everything.
Physically solid build though.
 
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I have used apple products since the IIe in 1984, and since Cook took over, the QC has been utter garbage. Cook is FAR more concerned with profits than innovation, consumer experience - or anything else, and Jobs would be rolling in his grave seeing the assembly-line factory garbage Cook has been spewing the last several years.

For the first time in over 40 years I am seriously considering leaving apple for my primary computers, and am reviewing my android phone options after 15 years of iphone usage.

I had planned to purchase an iphone 15 pro this month when the 16s were introduced, but under Cook's horrid "leadership" the 15 pro has been pulled off the site and can only be purchased in a 3rd party (telecom company) store, who is of course, charging a premium for a phone over a year old.

This raping of the consumer to force them into buying only the 16 pro is appalling, and indicative of a company that lacks confidence in the quality of its new products. If the 16 was so amazing, they would not have to force people into it, or have to scrounge around looking for the 15 pro on ebay or who knows where.

I own thousands of apple shares, but they are headed into irrelevance at this point with little or no innovation, living off their rep. Their products just are not worth the premium any longer, and I am considering selling all the shares and moving into alternative product offerings.

/rant
Jast casually forgetting that Jobs was very close with Cook and handpicked him for the role? Cook hasn't had a personality transplant since he took over.

I still don't know where this "no innovation" is coming from. Using my iPad as a Mac extension feels innovative. Drawing on the iPad and it appearing in real time on the Mac feels innovative. Getting any Apple product and using an existing one to set the new one up feels innovative. Handoff and Continuity feel innovative, as does the centre stage options when using iPhone as a webcam.

"Apple doesn't innovate" has become shorthand for "Apple hasn't disrupted the industry again" and unless there's more substantiation, it's meaningless. The iPhone is a mature product line and it's bizarre to want year-on-year upgrades that smoke the previous year's release — why would you want a 4-figure product to have such a short lifespan?
 
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