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... This is confusing because I was under the impression that POP and IMAP were for incoming only, and SMTP is for for sending only.

My apologies for posting a link to Microsoft, but the explanation is easy to understand:


IMAP​


IMAP allows you to access your email wherever you are, from any device. When you read an email message using IMAP, you aren't actually downloading or storing it on your computer; instead, you're reading it from the email service. As a result, you can check your email from different devices, anywhere in the world: your phone, a computer, a friend's computer.


IMAP only downloads a message when you click on it, and attachments aren't automatically downloaded. This way you're able to check your messages a lot more quickly than POP.


POP​


POP works by contacting your email service and downloading all of your new messages from it. Once they are downloaded onto your PC or Mac, they are deleted from the email service. This means that after the email is downloaded, it can only be accessed using the same computer. If you try to access your email from a different device, the messages that have been previously downloaded won't be available to you.


Sent mail is stored locally on your PC or Mac, not on the email server.


A lot of Internet Service Providers (ISPs) give you email accounts that use POP.
 

POP​


.... Once they are downloaded onto your PC or Mac, they are deleted from the email service. This means that after the email is downloaded, it can only be accessed using the same computer. If you try to access your email from a different device, the messages that have been previously downloaded won't be available to you.

That part is not necessarily true.
 
That spot where you see "IMAP" could be called anything. You could name it Fred and it wouldn't make any difference to the functionality of the SMTP server settings. It's just a description label for your own benefit.
That's right. It is the text I would have entered myself when I set up the IMAP account for my 2nd Gmail.


Now I'm confused!

I thought you wanted to use POP with your gmail accounts, but you seem to have them all configured for IMAP 🤔
Ahhh, the IMAP profiles you can see in my list are all 'inactive'. I set them up some time agao and regretted it. Only my POP accounts are set to active.
 
That's right. It is the text I would have entered myself when I set up the IMAP account for my 2nd Gmail.

Didn't you say that your 2nd gmail account is now set up as a POP account and is sending and receiving mail OK?

Ahhh, the IMAP profiles you can see in my list are all 'inactive'. I set them up some time agao and regretted it. Only my POP accounts are set to active.

Perhaps to avoid confusion you should delete those unused IMAP accounts.

Have you resolved your problem now?
 
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Didn't you say that your 2nd gmail account is now set up as a POP account and is sending and receiving mail OK?
It was set up as POP, but the SMTP used an inactive account for the 2nd gmail (that was originally set up for IMAP).

Perhaps to avoid confusion you should delete those unused IMAP accounts.

Have you resolved your problem now?
I have indeed deleted the inactive IMAP account for my 2nd gmail, and now I have finally been able to create a new SMTP profile for my 2nd gmail.

The 'inactive' IMAP just had to be deleted, so it didn't clash with the SMTP profile for the new POP email account (witht the same gmail address).

:apple: It all seems to work now.

Thank you for your assistance 👍
 
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Now I'm confused!

I thought you wanted to use POP with your gmail accounts, but you seem to have them all configured for IMAP 🤔

See the difference between POP and IMAP:

You cannot mix the two.

An account is either POP or IMAP.

I'm puzzled as to why you need to edit the SMTP server list.

If you simply create a new POP account giving it a description (I use the name before the @gmail.com), as I explained above, you will see that the name in the server list is configured automatically. You shouldn't need to have to do anything else.

Apart from my 3 gmail accounts, which all share the same POP and SMTP servers, I also have have several other mail accounts on various hosts, including my own domain, and they are all visible in the server list.

The only IMAP account I have is iCloud, and it's true that although it is visible in the SMTP server list popup, it is not editable.
I'm following this thread as the past 2 weeks have been a nightmare - following Google's 30th May threat to eff up Apple users using Gmail in Apple Mail.

The work round I found was as follows:
I'm using a Macbook with OSX 10.13.6 and using multiple Gmail accounts in POP.
Went into 'Manage your Google Account' on the right side drop down menu in Gmail in Chrome
Once in that look at menu on left and click: Security
Scroll down and click the: 2-step verification
Click the 2 step verification
Click Get Started
Sign into your account
Put your mobile phone number in & choose text or phone call
Click Next
Enter the verification code you get into the red section
Click Next and then click Turn On
NEXT
Go to the app store on your phone and get the Google Authenticator App
Open the app and scan the QR code
Click next and add the code into the box on the Change authenticator app
Click Verify
Then go back to your gmail account security page
Scroll down to App Passwords
Click the > next to this and sign into your account again:
On the next screen:
Select the APP - Mail
Select the device - MAC
Click GENERATE
and you get a code
Go back to Apple Mail
Go into preferences
Then go into Accounts
Replace your normal password with this Google app password
Sort out the various Google Gmail security emails and its done.

BUT - on some accounts I had to get this code a number of times before it worked.

And THEN today a week on from faultless service - suddenly all my SMTP settings except one said NONE. As with the previous person - every time I try to add a new SMTP server for one of my email addresses it 'kidnaps' the one that works from my 1st email address and sends from that email address rather than the one I want it to send from. Next time I try to send from that 2nd email address its gone back to NONE on the SMTP setting and won't work at all and only the 1st email address sends.

I've tried it with many different gmail addresses and the same happens every time.

Nothing at all works.

To my mind its now a case of dump all use of everything to do with Google or dump all use of everything to do with Apple. If Google is going all out to stuff Apple I'd rather go back to Apple everything than put up with this utter rubbish situation.

A really good workable way of multiple multi-national tech companies working their stuff together's gone up the shute because of tech greed. Maybe some will see it another way. Maybe - I HOPE - someone will find a work around that works for more than a week?

Any ideas welcome or I start to search for a new email address server that isn't a pain like Gmail has just become.
 
I'm following this thread as the past 2 weeks have been a nightmare - following Google's 30th May threat to eff up Apple users using Gmail in Apple Mail.

The work round I found was as follows:
I'm using a Macbook with OSX 10.13.6 and using multiple Gmail accounts in POP.
Went into 'Manage your Google Account' on the right side drop down menu in Gmail in Chrome
Once in that look at menu on left and click: Security
Scroll down and click the: 2-step verification
Click the 2 step verification
Click Get Started
Sign into your account
Put your mobile phone number in & choose text or phone call
Click Next
Enter the verification code you get into the red section
Click Next and then click Turn On
NEXT
Go to the app store on your phone and get the Google Authenticator App
Open the app and scan the QR code
Click next and add the code into the box on the Change authenticator app
Click Verify
Then go back to your gmail account security page
Scroll down to App Passwords
Click the > next to this and sign into your account again:
On the next screen:
Select the APP - Mail
Select the device - MAC
Click GENERATE
and you get a code
Go back to Apple Mail
Go into preferences
Then go into Accounts
Replace your normal password with this Google app password
Sort out the various Google Gmail security emails and its done.

BUT - on some accounts I had to get this code a number of times before it worked.

And THEN today a week on from faultless service - suddenly all my SMTP settings except one said NONE. As with the previous person - every time I try to add a new SMTP server for one of my email addresses it 'kidnaps' the one that works from my 1st email address and sends from that email address rather than the one I want it to send from. Next time I try to send from that 2nd email address its gone back to NONE on the SMTP setting and won't work at all and only the 1st email address sends.

I've tried it with many different gmail addresses and the same happens every time.

Nothing at all works.

To my mind its now a case of dump all use of everything to do with Google or dump all use of everything to do with Apple. If Google is going all out to stuff Apple I'd rather go back to Apple everything than put up with this utter rubbish situation.

A really good workable way of multiple multi-national tech companies working their stuff together's gone up the shute because of tech greed. Maybe some will see it another way. Maybe - I HOPE - someone will find a work around that works for more than a week?

Any ideas welcome or I start to search for a new email address server that isn't a pain like Gmail has just become.
I'm replying to my own post............ with endless scanning of other people's ideas and problems in the same vein I found this:
The bit that got me was:

Che Gabana ("YES?") January 1, 2021​

It is old and doesn't fully solve the issue - but what it did was jolt my checks and redoing everything in that way I found that when (in edit smtp section) I deleted all gmail related smtp entries and then tried to send an email from any gmail address they actually did send emails. Sending various test emails from one of my gmail addresses to another I found there was one gmail address that I hardly use that somehow had 'kidnapped' the smtp.gmail.com thingy and regardless of which of my gmail addresses I used the email actually went from that gmail address (not the one I tried to send from). When checking that gmail preferences there was NO smtp detail, just 'NONE' written in that box and on looking again into edit smtp - there were still no gmail smtp entries at all still.

Why / how the connection remained with that gmail address there I have no idea at all. But once I deleted that rarely used email address from my AppleMail (I left it on the Gmail server) then I went through each of my gmail accounts and did some test emails - each time I sent a test email had to 'choose' the smtp to use from the old list there (despite there being no smtp links in each account's preferences - server settings!) Once I'd done that for each email address and done test emails between them all of my gmail addresses worked to receive and send from the correct gmail addresses to the correct one - except for one.

To resolve that final one I sent an email from another gmail address to the not-working gmail address and replied from it a couple of times back and forth and that jolted it into working properly.

So I've not the first idea where the issue lies and its clearly an issue thousands are having these past weeks - so I hope the above gets someone out of the poop and on the road to a more sane AppleMail / Gmail co-existence - that is till Google decide to play silly buggers again.
 
Go to the app store on your phone and get the Google Authenticator App

You don't need the Google app.

You only need Time-based One-Time Password (TOTP) verification:

 
You don't need the Google app.

You only need Time-based One-Time Password (TOTP) verification:

I follow what you are saying but my experience is that the Google Authenicator App is another step in being able to solve the unsolveable when things go wrong.

Its another check that keeps the 'security conscious' (actually just using that excuse to mess up Applemail users) Google people happier. And I've found when the fake security google endless checks start up this 6 digit code generator seems to stop things in their tracks and get gmail working. If you use a VPN these checks go ballistic in their monotonous repetitiveness, a real waste of time.

They're very clearly adding in all sorts of fake security concerns which will inevitably get many less able users pissed off to the degree that they drop using Applemail with Gmail - who that will actually benefit in the long run...

I'm also a good bit behind "iOS15, iPadOS 15 and Safari 15' - So it isn't a possibility anyhow.
 
I follow what you are saying but my experience is that the Google Authenicator App is another step in being able to solve the unsolveable when things go wrong.
I've never "needed" to use it, and I like to keep my devices free of anything Google, or Microsoft.
They're very clearly adding in all sorts of fake security concerns which will inevitably get many less able users pissed off to the degree that they drop using Applemail with Gmail - who that will actually benefit in the long run...
Clearly they consider Mail.app to be "insecure" to get you to use their products. We simply have to ensure that we allow "less secure" apps in their settings.
I'm also a good bit behind "iOS15, iPadOS 15 and Safari 15' - So it isn't a possibility anyhow.
Whatever works for you... "Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in the correct screw."
 
I follow what you are saying but my experience is that the Google Authenicator App is another step in being able to solve the unsolveable when things go wrong.

If you want to avoid having to use a separate app you can

1. Install the authenticator as an extension in some browsers such as firefox
2. 1password allows you to attach an authenticator to a specific login so it's right there in the website login username/password page to copy.
 
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