Gone back to Mavericks...

[grahamperrin]

Orientation

… performance … Finder … Mavericks …

In the sub-forum for Mavericks:

• Mavericks: Slow finder / spinning beach ball (2013-10-28)
• Mavericks - extremely slow to list files when selecting files in finder and Safari (2013-10-30)
• Slow finder on local folders shared (2013-12-16)
• Finder suddenly running very slow Trojan Horse? (2014-02-13)
• 10.9.2 Slow Finder only when NAS i turned on. (2014-03-01)
• Finder extremely slow at replacing files (2014-03-03)
• Mavericks: Slow Finder/Full SDD Help (2014-04-01)

– please post details to one of those, or begin a new topic.

(Misunderstandings of Finder are commonplace so, expect to find some inappropriate advice …)

Off-topic:

Mountain Lion …

OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

 

[GlenK]

Couldn't pay me to go back to Mavericks. On my 2011 MPB Yosemite runs far better than Mavericks ever did. It's not even close.

 

[Horizon Man]

Couldn't pay me to go back to Mavericks. On my 2011 MPB Yosemite runs far better than Mavericks ever did. It's not even close.

This is what I find interesting. All flaming aside, why is it that there are so many different experiences people have with OSX? Some users as quoted above, have a machine running better than ever, others, like myself unfortunately have a machine turned into a useless slug.

 

[chabig]

This is what I find interesting. All flaming aside, why is it that there are so many different experiences people have with OSX? Some users as quoted above, have a machine running better than ever, others, like myself unfortunately have a machine turned into a useless slug.

Yosemite runs great on my 2013 Macbook Air. I think an SSD makes a huge difference. Put one in if you can. Beside that, I think the people most likely to have bad experiences are the ones who watch Activity Monitor relentlessly, run a lot of crap on their machines like AV software, Flash, memory "cleaners" etc. The closer you stay to a stock Apple system, the more likely it is to run well. Why?--because that's how Apple builds and test their systems.

 

[GlenK]

It is interesting how varied the experiences are. I was considering selling my MBP it was so bad on Mavericks. Now this 2011 MPB runs like brand new.

 

[Eithanius]

Yosemite runs great on my 2013 Macbook Air. I think an SSD makes a huge difference. Put one in if you can. Beside that, I think the people most likely to have bad experiences are the ones who watch Activity Monitor relentlessly, run a lot of crap on their machines like AV software, Flash, memory "cleaners" etc. The closer you stay to a stock Apple system, the more likely it is to run well. Why?--because that's how Apple builds and test their systems.

I have an SSD, I do not have AV, no Flash (unless Chrome is counted as Flash), no memory "cleaners" etc... And it's still slow...! How does that explain things...?

And Finder is slow on both Mavericks and Yosemite... How does that relate to any of the above other than the SSD factor...?

 

[grahamperrin]

Orientation (this topic is in the Yosemite area, not Mavericks)

… still slow …

Your earlier post indicates that you do not use Yosemite; please post to the Mavericks sub-forum for answers about performance with Mavericks.

 

[Horizon Man]

Yosemite runs great on my 2013 Macbook Air. I think an SSD makes a huge difference. Put one in if you can. Beside that, I think the people most likely to have bad experiences are the ones who watch Activity Monitor relentlessly, run a lot of crap on their machines like AV software, Flash, memory "cleaners" etc. The closer you stay to a stock Apple system, the more likely it is to run well. Why?--because that's how Apple builds and test their systems.

I've got an SSD too, though I only have the OS and programs installed on all data is on an external thunderbolt drive.

 

[Primejimbo]

I'm over 50

I put Yosemite on my moms iMac and she is well over 50. She told me the other day how much easier it is on her eyes and loves it.

I did a fresh install on hers and its flying, and I was very impressed with it too. I did a fresh install on my late 2008 Aluminum MacBook and considering it only has 2GB or RAM, it's not bad. I might upgrade the RAM, but I don't use it much at all. I just did this because I wanted to play with it, and I was having some issues with Snow Leapard on it.

 

[Paradoxally]

This is what I find interesting. All flaming aside, why is it that there are so many different experiences people have with OSX? Some users as quoted above, have a machine running better than ever, others, like myself unfortunately have a machine turned into a useless slug.

Disparity exists because retina models have big graphic issues on Yosemite (lag, slow scrolling in Safari, etc...) and non-retina models don't.

Mavericks is better for retina models if you want a computer that doesn't lag as much (yes, there is also lag, but it is very minimal).

It's not an SSD issue at all as all retinas have SSDs. That only slows down data loading, not graphic performance.

 

[newellj]

This is what I find interesting. All flaming aside, why is it that there are so many different experiences people have with OSX? Some users as quoted above, have a machine running better than ever, others, like myself unfortunately have a machine turned into a useless slug.

Me too. Yo runs as well on my 2012 Mini as Mavs. Yo fixed an incurable sleep/wake issue on my late 2013 MBPr. I have had no new problems on either.

 

[jamesjaan]

Yosemite runs great on my 2013 Macbook Air. I think an SSD makes a huge difference. Put one in if you can. Beside that, I think the people most likely to have bad experiences are the ones who watch Activity Monitor relentlessly, run a lot of crap on their machines like AV software, Flash, memory "cleaners" etc. The closer you stay to a stock Apple system, the more likely it is to run well. Why?--because that's how Apple builds and test their systems.

Nope. 2014 MBA & 2014 rMBP (wife's).

On mine beyond Apple's own products: Nisus, Zotero, Arq, Dropbox.

I run it as lean as possible, and use Mail, Calendar, Safari etc by Apple because I see no reason for third party 'improvements'.

 

[Eithanius]

Your earlier post indicates that you do not use Yosemite; please post to the Mavericks sub-forum for answers about performance with Mavericks.

Damn it Graham... Where have you been...? You've been missing from the Seed for some time now...

 

[MajkJaro]

Does Yosemite really decrease battery life? Are there some test on the internet?
Nobody says that Yosemite works better (battery) than Mavericks...

 

[chabig]

Does Yosemite really decrease battery life? Are there some test on the internet?
Nobody says that Yosemite works better (battery) than Mavericks...

Apple says it (http://www.apple.com/osx/better-apps/), and in my subjective experience it's certainly no worse than Mavericks.

 

[hp79]

I have rmbp13 and also went back to 10.9.5. I hated all those bugs from new features that apple is trying to add related to experience integration. I will never use an iphone so no thanks to all that gimmicky junk.

I tried to like it and even tried clean install on both releases 10.10.0 and 10.10.1 but both had same bugs (com.apple.geod crashing, download icon stuck, Preview crashing) same problems.

 

[Skylitfly]

I'm back to Mavericks too.

Feels so good. This smoothness, this reliability, this performance. Fantastic.
Only thing I'll miss is Yosemite UI design.

Guess I'll wait for OS X 10.11 and see if it's any good.

 

[Loops]

taste is subjective.

To a point.

Make a neon pink Hello Kitty UI with constant spiraling animations all over the desktop or a Blood 'N Gore UI and I think you'd find hard evidence that taste is not completely subjective, in terms of large numbers of people.

Plus, it's not just a matter of taste. It's also a matter of usability. That can be measured scientifically.

 

[rasputin666]

Yosemite runs great on my 2013 Macbook Air. I think an SSD makes a huge difference. Put one in if you can. Beside that, I think the people most likely to have bad experiences are the ones who watch Activity Monitor relentlessly, run a lot of crap on their machines like AV software, Flash, memory "cleaners" etc. The closer you stay to a stock Apple system, the more likely it is to run well. Why?--because that's how Apple builds and test their systems.

not sure that's the case with me. i have a new Mac Pro [6,1] that came with mavericks. Stock 6-Core new Mac Pro. not one thing altered. i upgraded to Yosemite to tie in my new iPhone 6/iOS8 upgrade to take advantage of new features. figuring the new OS X would be built perfectly for the nMP. WRONG. i've been a long time apple person and know enough to know, this build of Yosemite [10.2 didn't fix everything] has flaws. i've had every issue. WiFi drops, Safari crashes especially with video, even HTML 5, Apple TV not connecting to iTunes, external drives unmounting & now 2 of them mounting but beach-ball when attempt is made to drag and drop to them. I was on the phone with support today and went past 1st support person then on to level 2 tech whom i was talking past unfortunately......I have a scheduled call with an Engineer on Saturday.
PS....i don't look at activity monitor. my activity monitor is my senses [besides the beachballs and complete freezes when formatting an external drive].

 

[jamesjaan]

Sorry if what I'm about to say makes it seem like I was trolling after starting the thread.

Mavericks started crashing on me after I downgraded, no trackpad response, this didn't happen before, don't know if it was related to firmware after going up to Yosemite then back down.

And I couldn't resist fiddling, and the 10.10.2 came out, which I installed on the night it came out.

And no problems: MBA is silent, battery life is good, no wifi problems, and importantly for me the UI is not laggy. Window resizing etc is just fine.

Still a little concerned about the 'lighting' of the OS and eye strain, and I don't really like Helvetica as a system font

BUT. I might change my opinion on the design and font once the the rMBA 12 comes out this year. And I might as well get used to Yosemite if I ever want to upgrade.

Lesson: wait till a .2 or .3 release?

Now to decide whether to upgrade a 2014 rMBP 13, which only has the base 4GB of RAM...

Sorry guys.

 

[Horizon Man]

Sorry if what I'm about to say makes it seem like I was trolling after starting the thread.

Mavericks started crashing on me after I downgraded, no trackpad response, this didn't happen before, don't know if it was related to firmware after going up to Yosemite then back down.

And I couldn't resist fiddling, and the 10.10.2 came out, which I installed on the night it came out.

And no problems: MBA is silent, battery life is good, no wifi problems, and importantly for me the UI is not laggy. Window resizing etc is just fine.

Still a little concerned about the 'lighting' of the OS and eye strain, and I don't really like Helvetica as a system font

BUT. I might change my opinion on the design and font once the the rMBA 12 comes out this year. And I might as well get used to Yosemite if I ever want to upgrade.

Lesson: wait till a .2 or .3 release?

Now to decide whether to upgrade a 2014 rMBP 13, which only has the base 4GB of RAM...

Sorry guys.

Nothing to be sorry about, just means you are being a rational person.

The only reason I'm following the forums right now is so I can have a good idea when it's safe for me to try again. I think it's soon.

 

[Paradoxally]

To a point.

Make a neon pink Hello Kitty UI with constant spiraling animations all over the desktop or a Blood 'N Gore UI and I think you'd find hard evidence that taste is not completely subjective, in terms of large numbers of people.

Plus, it's not just a matter of taste. It's also a matter of usability. That can be measured scientifically.

UI and UX are two very different concepts, albeit related.

Yosemite's UI isn't bad at all, but its UX leaves a lot to be desired because it lags on retina Macs (due to transparency and blurs), and has more bugs overall.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Now to decide whether to upgrade a 2014 rMBP 13, which only has the base 4GB of RAM...

2014 rMBP has 8GB RAM minimum.