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Google Phone Could Drive Apple Into Allegiance With Microsoft

Consultant said:
HA HA HA

Microsoft has been failing in the past decade, there is no reason for Apple to work with Microsoft. See Decade of Apple Wins Against Microsoft Et Al.:
http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20100104152838

Android has been on the market for over half a decade, but suffers the same problem as Linux = does not appeal to mass audience or top end consumers.

Keep in mind,
- Android has publicized their efforts since 2003
- Android is bought by Google in 2005
- Apple released iPhone in 2007
- Android still doesn't have as much market share as the failed Windows Mobile, never mind the market leading iPhone.
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MS has done just as well if not better than Apple this decade. revenue and profits are up just as much as apple. MS has at least tripled the number of employees. they have taken market share in a lot of markets where Apple doesn't have a chance of competing.

only difference is that Apple hit a stock price low at the start of the decade and MS stock peaked out because the big growth was in the 1990's. MS is the best performing stock in history

a lot of people wouldn't have bought the iphone if it wasn't for the Exchange support. Apple and MS are also working on Exchange support for SL.

Wouldn't surprise me if Apple dumps Google for MS Virtual Earth. Doesn't have as much hype as Google Maps but it's used in a lot of products.
 
I own a Nexus One. I also own an iPod touch. I'm not an anti-Apple guy by any means. My computer is a 13.3" aluminum MacBook, I have an Apple TV, I bought my brother an Apple TV for Christmas, and my niece and nephew an iPod touch each.

I don't want an iPhone because a) my work phone (Blackberry Curve) is on AT&T and I didn't want both of my phones to be on the same network, b) my music collection is too large to fit on any current iPhone, so that undermines the value of an iPhone relative to other options.

I bought a T-Mobile G1 last fall. I liked some things about it, but the physical design was a bit quirky.

I bought a Nexus two weeks ago, and it arrived last Monday. Compared with other devices ...

- the Nexus One screen is much better than the iPhone/iPod touch
- the Nexus One's physical design is pretty good. In size, it feels halfway between a touch and an iPhone
- I like the software/OS/UI about equally

The people who think Android is awkward to use don't appreciate that they are used to the iPhone OS. Of course it feels more natural. As someone who uses both (technically, iPod touch), I'd call it about even. Android may have more capabilities. iPhone/iPod touch feels a bit more polished.

And the age of the Android OS is a talking point, nothing more. Android, as a competitor to the iPhone, is very new. We are only now in the past six months seeing phones with Android and with design/hardware that is generally on par with iPhones.

I think a year from now, the two will be in a 1-2 battle, and I don't know which will be 1 and which will be 2.

For the record, I appreciate that I could change the battery if I needed to, but I doubt I ever will.
 
pcs are junk said:
fine now you make it hard for me cuz i have to explain this whole story.

bill gates made msdos where it was just a keyboard, and u had to know the commands to make the computer do something.

steve jobs got the idea to make it so that way instead of having to know the commands, why not just click and icon. so he invented the mouse, and icons.

he called this operating system windows, and distributed it, but didnt copyright it. he didnt know what copyrighting was. so bill gates said, hey that a great idea! so bill gates stole the whole operating system, every thing about it, the name and everything, and copyrighted it so no one else could sell it. therefore steve jobs couldnt sell it.

steve jobs started a company, and hired many workers. all the workers got together and decided to fire steve jobs. bill gates bought the company and fired everybody, called up steve jobs, and said "do you want your company back?" and thats how apple was born. so now, for every apple product u buy, microsoft gets 40%
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Where are you getting your information from. I'm extremely curious. i've been doing research on both companies for years now, and nothing of this has ever come up.

Windows was introduced in September 1981. Right after Apple Lisa and right before Macintosh. By this time Apple Lisa/Macintosh had already came up with the idea for GUI. It was not until 1985-86 when Windows 2.0 was in the making when they started to use the bare minimum of GUI. Not until 1990 did Windows fully enable the capabilities of GUI. By this time Apple was on their way up in the market. It was Windows 3.0 that finally approached Mac and thats when we saw the Windows market share sky rocket.

Also Steve Jobs was never fired. In 1985 he lost a power struggle with the board of directors and resigned and began his own company NeXT. Which then in 1997 was bought out by Apple, restoring Steve Jobs back to CEO.
 
wombat888 said:
with design/hardware that is generally on par with iPhones.
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Problem is, it is not.

The softkeys do no work half the time. The trackball is almost useless besides when you need to scroll back by letter but even then the iPhone magnifying glass is better. The nexus one in particular is top heavy. You need a iTunes clone to sync your music and videos. No pinch and zoom in the browsers. No native backup ability. Scrolling of the apps is more time consuming. the list goes on and on.
 
pcs are junk said:
fine now you make it hard for me cuz i have to explain this whole story.

bill gates made msdos where it was just a keyboard, and u had to know the commands to make the computer do something.

steve jobs got the idea to make it so that way instead of having to know the commands, why not just click and icon. so he invented the mouse, and icons.

he called this operating system windows, and distributed it, but didnt copyright it. he didnt know what copyrighting was. so bill gates said, hey that a great idea! so bill gates stole the whole operating system, every thing about it, the name and everything, and copyrighted it so no one else could sell it. therefore steve jobs couldnt sell it.

steve jobs started a company, and hired many workers. all the workers got together and decided to fire steve jobs. bill gates bought the company and fired everybody, called up steve jobs, and said "do you want your company back?" and thats how apple was born. so now, for every apple product u buy, microsoft gets 40%
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What you write here is just not true. None of it. Your sixty-year-old friend is wrong. Microsoft made a temporary investment in Apple and has long since sold any stock it held in Apple.
 
thelatinist said:
What you write here is just not true. None of it. Your sixty-year-old friend is wrong. Microsoft made a temporary investment in Apple and has long since sold any stock it held in Apple.
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I completely agree with you, as what I wrote in my post nothing that was stated is true. Apple invented GUI when MSDOS was just coming out. Not till about 3-4 years later did Windows implant it into their operating system. Steve Jobs never worked for Microsoft and Microsoft does not own 40% of Apple thats outrageous.
 
wombat888 said:
I own a Nexus One. I also own an iPod touch. I'm not an anti-Apple guy by any means. My computer is a 13.3" aluminum MacBook, I have an Apple TV, I bought my brother an Apple TV for Christmas, and my niece and nephew an iPod touch each.

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Thank you for your thoughtful comments, wombat888!
 
pcs are junk said:
haha! for all of you who think my post isnt true, it is. i was told this by a 60 something year old man, who is a complete computer geek. so u need to brush up on ur history, not me
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"In August 1997, the Company and Microsoft Corporation (Microsoft) entered into patent cross license and technology agreements. In addition, Microsoft purchased 150,000 shares of Apple Series A nonvoting convertible preferred stock ("preferred stock") for $150 million. These shares were convertible by Microsoft after August 5, 2000, into shares of the Company's common stock at a conversion price of $8.25 per share. During 2000, 74,250 shares of preferred stock were converted to 9 million shares of the Company's common stock. During 2001, the remaining 75,750 preferred shares were converted into 9.2 million shares of the Company's common stock."

All of that stock has been sold off.
 
Ryeno said:
Problem is, it is not.

The softkeys do no work half the time. The trackball is almost useless besides when you need to scroll back by letter but even then the iPhone magnifying glass is better. The nexus one in particular is top heavy. You need a iTunes clone to sync your music and videos. No pinch and zoom in the browsers. No native backup ability. Scrolling of the apps is more time consuming. the list goes on and on.
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You can prefer whichever you like, for a lot of reasons. Understand that you're talking about personal preference.

- The softkeys work fine. No problems with them so far.
- I haven't used the trackball yet, but it doesn't bother me, either. I use the trackball on my Blackberry a lot, so it could potentially be useful, but so far it hasn't been for me.
- not sure what you mean by topheavy, do you mean physically or what?
- I don't sync music and video to my phone and don't want to do so, I think I made this point in my post
- native backup of what? Apps, contacts, what? Contacts are from the Google cloud. Apps don't take that long to reinstall. If you mean media, that's less a part of the Nexus One mindset (I use my iPod for that), but fwiw, would typically be stored on a microSD card that could easily be copied to a hard drive
- scrolling of apps doesn't seem more time-consuming to me

You could make a similar list in favor of the Android. It would start with multitasking.

Understand that you're splitting hairs. It's fine if you prefer the iPhone, a lot of people do, but if you think they're not generally on the same playing field, you're fooling yourself.
 
Apple with Microsoft? BS. Removable battery is a better seller than apps? BS. Nexus One better than iPhone? Maybe, there are varying reviews of how people find it. It took many Android "iPhone killers" to finally create a decent Android phone, and finally this? I'm truly underwhelmed despite Android's ecosystem. And I personally find this story a load of BS. :rolleyes:
 
Yes. I'm sure APPLE is terrified that the Nexus sold a whopping 20,000 on launch day. That's WAY less than the droid did and the droid barely registered as competition based on its numbers.
 
Mlrollin91 said:
Apple invented GUI
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That's news to XEROX!

wombat888 said:
For the record, I appreciate that I could change the battery if I needed to, but I doubt I ever will.
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This seems to be a normal opinion. I am still waiting to meet someone in real life who owns two cell phone batteries.

You'd think that after 15 years of cell phones being common it would happen at least once, but it hasn't yet!
 
Three months ago, your choices were the iPhone and some phones that had received modest hype and were generally aimed at hardcore geeks.

Today, you've got the heavily promoted Droid on Verizon, and the heavily promoted Nexus One directly from Google.

Most people have friends with an iPhone. Most people do not have friends with an Android phone. The only way to see one is typically to go to the store. In the case of the Nexus One, even that doesn't work. That's a significant barrier.

Sales are likely to grow more than linearly as these obstacles vanish, eg when you have a friend in your ear evangelizing the Droid and letting you play with it, the Droid will be in a different marketing position next to the iPhone.

Having two choices is better than having one choice. I expect Android and iPhone to be major competitors for the next 5+ years and I'm excited about that, as I think it'll be good for both.
 
Not so sure about an allegiance (or alliance), but I would be fine if Apple were to switch to Bing as the default search provider in the iPhone. I use Google primarily and have Gmail, but something about Google recently just rubs me the wrong way. Something about the major success of this dot-commer probably has scandal written all over it. They're even applying to become a power marketer. Google the next Enron?
 
VenusianSky said:
Google is applying to market energy, the same as a utility company, like Enron.
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I'm sorry, but when you say "I don't trust company x, I think they might be the next Enron" then you are clearly implying that you think that company x is comitting fraud and lying to everyone.

You offered no proof whatsoever for that claim, so I think "Google is the next Enron" is just as logical as "Applebees is the next Best Buy." They're both baseless.

You don't get to come back and say "No no, I didn't mean the fraud part of Enron, I just meant the energy trading part!" Give me a break. No one hears 'Enron' and thinks 'energy trader' without thinking of all that other stuff.

When you say Google is the next Enron you need to provide a link to something about Google lying to shareholders or some other shady business practice. If you do that, then it's a fair argument. If you're not gonna do that then don't bring up Enron in the first place.
 
Small White Car said:
I'm sorry, but when you say "I don't trust company x, I think they might be the next Enron" then you are clearly implying that you think that company x is comitting fraud and lying to everyone.

You offered no proof whatsoever for that claim, so I think "Google is the next Enron" is just as logical as "Applebees is the next Best Buy." They're both baseless.

You don't get to come back and say "No no, I didn't mean the fraud part of Enron, I just meant the energy trading part!" Give me a break. No one hears 'Enron' and thinks 'energy trader' without thinking of all that other stuff.

When you say Google is the next Enron you need to provide a link to something about Google lying to shareholders or some other shady business practice. If you're not gonna do that, don't bring up Enron in the first place.
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Holy crap. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I know what I said and what I meant. Please don't spin my statement into something else. Yes, Google is trying to apply for energy trade, the same business as Enron. Enron was involved in one of the biggest scandals. I stated that I don't trust Google, which has nothing to do with energy trade. The statement "Google the next Enron" was merely tongue in cheek. Lighten up.
 
We will see, so far I am not impressed with the quality of Customer Service and the negative points I am hearing.

Time will tell all
 
wombat888 said:
You can prefer whichever you like, for a lot of reasons. Understand that you're talking about personal preference.

- The softkeys work fine. No problems with them so far.
- I haven't used the trackball yet, but it doesn't bother me, either. I use the trackball on my Blackberry a lot, so it could potentially be useful, but so far it hasn't been for me. So it is just there being useless
- not sure what you mean by topheavy, do you mean physically or what?yes
- I don't sync music and video to my phone and don't want to do so, I think I made this point in my postexactly inferior
- native backup of what? Apps, contacts, what? Contacts are from the Google cloud. Apps don't take that long to reinstall. If you mean media, that's less a part of the Nexus One mindset (I use my iPod for that), but fwiw, would typically be stored on a microSD card that could easily be copied to a hard driveI mean everything, sms, game data, notes, photo/video album, email accounts
- scrolling of apps doesn't seem more time-consuming to me With 3 swipes in less then 3 seconds i have scrolled throw 48 apps. In all android phones, you need to actually scroll throw a list. It is a longer and less precise method of finding apps

You could make a similar list in favor of the Android. It would start with multitasking.
And that is where it would end. Plus it would not surprise me to see more multitasking on the iPhone in OS 4.0 but i would bet 2g and 3g users would get left behind.
Understand that you're splitting hairs. It's fine if you prefer the iPhone, a lot of people do, but if you think they're not generally on the same playing field, you're fooling yourself.
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It's not splitting hairs, it's that the product as a whole is inferior. Android is like Windows, it runs on a lot of different systems but it is crap on each. It is not in the same playing field as the iPhone where Apple actually takes attention to details.

As for google themselves look at the prototype android phone. Notice the date? Even 5-6 months AFTER the original iPhone google was still stuck in the past about cell phone design ala that blackberry clone. It wasn't until later that google realized that a key based phone was the wrong way to go. So they residgned the phone but merely covered up the buttons with the screen and created the G1. I wonder what happened to that phone, oh ya it was a failure. So they had to go again back to the drawing board and making a cell phone even more of a iPhone. So they removed even more bottoms and made the nexus one. And even still has useless buttons and keys that you barley use. Still inferior to the iPhone. Sorry but Apple had it right all along and google has merely been the copy-cat company.

Hell i did not even mention how google has no customer support department. So if your cell phone is defective, you can not just go to a store and exchange it because there are no google stores and even t-moble does no stock them. Or if you have a question, you get transferred from t-moble to google to htc, just to get no answers. Google does even have a customer service department, so all you get is emails. Or how google does not screen its apps, so if you download anything, it may actually steal your data.
 
The Android OS gives you five screens that can each hold whatever apps/widgets you want. They are reachable by swiping or by tapping the dots on the lower corners of the screen. It's common to separate them by general function - for example, you might have a "utilities" screen and a "games" screen. There's also a screen that lists everything. That list can get long, I guess, but you can also fast-scroll and it is alphabetical. Really hasn't been a problem.

As for the list ending with multitasking - it would also include 5MP camera with flash, and voice entry anywhere you can type. Faster processor and generally higher specs, most notably the screen. I'm not one to fall for gimmicks most of the time, but live wallpaper gets favorable comments from everyone who sees the phone.

The Mac/Windows comparison is an apt one for iPhone/Android, but this is not necessarily bad for Android. What it means is that consumers are not picking between an iPhone on AT&T and a Nexus One on T-Mobile. They are picking between an iPhone on AT&T and: a Nexus One on T-Mobile, or a Droid on Verizon, or a Hero, or a Moment, or a Cliq, or ...

This has advantages of multiple carriers to choose among and multiple types of hardware to pick based on personal preference, as opposed to a one size fits all option. It has the disadvantages of hardware and software not being as tightly integrated or consistent.

I just paused and held my Nexus One for a few seconds before responding to the "topheavy" criticism. I can see that. A few times when I've pulled it out of my pocket, I had it upside down because my hand made a bad assumption about which way it should face. But my hand learned the right way to hold it on about the second day I had it, and it hasn't been an issue since then. The phone looks good (conservative) and feels good (solid) in the hand.
 
wombat888 said:
The Android OS gives you five screens that can each hold whatever apps/widgets you want. They are reachable by swiping or by tapping the dots on the lower corners of the screen. It's common to separate them by general function - for example, you might have a "utilities" screen and a "games" screen. There's also a screen that lists everything. That list can get long, I guess, but you can also fast-scroll and it is alphabetical. Really hasn't been a problem.Great so it is like windows. 'well ya you have the apps in the start menu, but you also get 5 shortcuts before you push programs, but you can also put the apps on your desktop too..,' Exactly NO attention to detail

As for the list ending with multitasking - it would also include 5MP camera with flash, Marketing gimicand voice entry anywhere you can type. Already have voice control and speach2text is never accurate enough to relay on it solyFaster processor and generally higher specs, most notably the screen. I'm not one to fall for gimmicks most of the time, but live wallpaper gets favorable comments from everyone who sees the phone.In a camera pixels are not everything,Again marketing gimic, you can run a 3ghz quad core cpu but if it is using windows 3.1 it is still crap

The Mac/Windows comparison is an apt one for iPhone/Android, but this is not necessarily bad for Android. What it means is that consumers are not picking between an iPhone on AT&T and a Nexus One on T-Mobile. They are picking between an iPhone on AT&T and: a Nexus One on T-Mobile, or a Droid on Verizon, or a Hero, or a Moment, or a Cliq, or ...No what that means is if Google ever actually created an innovative feature, then everyone else would simply copy that because they have given it away in their open source code.

This has advantages of multiple carriers to choose among and multiple types of hardware to pick based on personal preference, as opposed to a one size fits all option. It has the disadvantages of hardware and software not being as tightly integrated or consistent.Multiple carriers? I've had Sprint, Verizon and at&t now. Each time i only needed one carrier at a time. Hardware and software integration is much more important for me. If i have a problem, i want the manufacture to be able to help me.
I just paused and held my Nexus One for a few seconds before responding to the "topheavy" criticism. I can see that. A few times when I've pulled it out of my pocket, I had it upside down because my hand made a bad assumption about which way it should face. But my hand learned the right way to hold it on about the second day I had it, and it hasn't been an issue since then. The phone looks good (conservative) and feels good (solid) in the hand.
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Great so you have to adopt to using an inferior product? You realize this is exactly what Apple tries to avoid right?
 
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