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GTX 1070 or RX 580 in cMP?

Thanks - it sounds like the risk really is pretty minimal with the Pulse card then as Apple do have to support it for a bit because of the iMac and the eGPU kit.

I can't see or haven't read about any CPU specific features stopping games running for a few years (the later chips only seem to add video encoding/playback features so only raw single core speed remains the only bottleneck and for multicore this pair of X5675 are still doing a good job).
 
I wonder if other RX 580's will work just as well as the PULSE edition from Sapphire. Does anyone else have a 580 in their Mac Pro's?
 
devon807 said:
I wonder if other RX 580's will work just as well as the PULSE edition from Sapphire. Does anyone else have a 580 in their Mac Pro's?
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They will work just fine. The only difference is that the Pulse card should be listed correctly in 'About this Mac' on High Sierra. Not so in 10.12.6 however despite it having a native driver for the card.
All other cards show as R9 XXX

These are the required part numbers of the Pulse card:
Part#: 113-4E3531U or 113-4E353BU

See here for details:
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/to...ds-on-sierra-high-sierra/page-24#entry2442237
 
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well new's says ethereum mining is on the down so with luck there will be a influx of cards on ebay, only 3 months or so of mining so much better than the bitcoin days where they might have had a hard year of 24/7 use i hope.

are the RX4xx cards as well supported as the rx5xx cards?
 
I keep seeing that as well in the news, but I haven't seen any proof yet. Cards are still insanely high and out of stock. My guess is during the holiday season is when we'll be able to actually see cards. Isn't Volta supposed to be out anyways around that time? (GTX 2080, 2070, 2060)

I would never buy used GPUs at this point on Craiglist or eBay. Be aware. You don't want a mining card.
 
Squuiid said:
They will work just fine. The only difference is that the Pulse card should be listed correctly in 'About this Mac' on High Sierra. Not so in 10.12.6 however despite it having a native driver for the card.
All other cards show as R9 XXX

These are the required part numbers of the Pulse card:
Part#: 113-4E3531U or 113-4E353BU

See here for details:
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/to...ds-on-sierra-high-sierra/page-24#entry2442237
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If the MacOS 10.13 base on this number in the BIOS to display RX580. I believe that's super easy to Hex edit any ROM to make it display RX580 (regardless what's the device ID). I didn't Install 10.13 beta yet. Can anyone confirm if this theory work?

I don't know Nvidia card, but for AMD card, I think simply use Hex editor to open the ROM, and search 113, should show up the number something like 113-T46G02-001 (or something similar). Edit it to 113-4E353BU-0E (I assume the last 2 digit doesn't matter, so in this example, I change it to 0E to fix the check sum). Flash the ROM back to the card, and 10.13 should display RX580 regardless what card it is.

This should be quite safe since we didn't touch any important number (e.g. clock speed, voltage table, etc). And of course, better to test it on a dual Rom card if possible. In fact, when someone ask me to edit a ROM for them. I usually change this 113-xxxxx... to something like NOT-FOR-SELL, and it won't affect the card. So, I assume any RX580 can display the name properly by a simple Hex edit. Or even I can make the system default to display RX580 (without kext edit) even my card is actually a R9 380 :D

Update 1: OK, after I read a bit more. This identify process seems actually located inside the AMD9500 kext. That means this ROM revision hex edit should only able to work on the card that will run with AMD9500 kext, but not any card.
 
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I simply use iHex and edit the controller file inside AMD9500Controller.kext so that About This Mac shows the right card. It's a much quicker and safer process than flashing GPU ROM. This works in both 10.12.6 and 10.13b.

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theitsage said:
I simply use iHex and edit the controller file inside AMD9500Controller.kext so that About This Mac shows the right card. It's a much quicker and safer process than flashing GPU ROM. This works in both 10.12.6 and 10.13b.

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I know this trick, just thinking if there is anyway to do it permanently.

Also, after kext edit, I believe the driver is not signed anymore. Therefore, SIP must keep disabled. Is that correct? If we do something like PRAM reset, SIP will be turned on automatically and the system may not load this unsigned driver, isn't it?
[doublepost=1500847384][/doublepost]Is there anyone have the Sapphire PULSE RX580 on hand? I would like to know what exact ROM revision shows in system preference. Is it 113-4E3531U or 113-4E353BU, or something like 113-4E3531U-001 or 113-4E353BU-004?
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Hi my Mac Pro 5,1 2010 is running 10.12.6. I just installed a Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+ 4GB version. No Boot screen. Login screen works as normal. Is recognised as "AMD R9 xxx 4096 MB" Metal is Supported, All resolutions over DP work on my 27" Dell Screen. Lux Bench Score 13794 - Geekbench 4 OpenCL test 132695. Blows the original 5770 away. System Profile can't display PCI tab as says error gathering information. Am going to download and test 10.13 beta soon. All 36 GPU units are recognised but no idea if the PCIE bus is running at 2.5 or full 5G link speed.
 
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Hi my Mac Pro 5,1 2010 is running 10.12.6. I just installed a Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+ 4GB version. No Boot screen. Login screen works as normal. Is recognised as "AMD R9 xxx 4096 MB" Metal is Supported, All resolutions over DP work on my 27" Dell Screen. Lux Bench Score 13794 - Geekbench 4 OpenCL test 132695. Blows the original 5770 away. System Profile can't display PCI tab as says error gathering information. Am going to download and test 10.13 beta soon. All 36 GPU units are recognised but no idea if the PCIE bus is running at 2.5 or full 5G link speed.
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Since no one has found the resistor enabling 5GT on the RX580, my guess is that your RX580 is running at 2.5GT like every other RX580.
 
A few weeks ago I posted the screenshots from the RX580 Pulse 4Gb, EXACTLY THE SAME RESULTS, some where too quick posting it should be the RX580 Pulse 8Gb.

As I stated 2 weeks ago too, my GTX Titan shows normal PCI results TOO!!

Btw beta 8 is not stable, I had to reinstall, also Hi Sierra did not show in Start-Up disk, I had to install a GT120 to boot from it.

Here's the PCI screenshot from the RX580 Pulse 8Gb

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carpsafari said:
A few weeks ago I posted the screenshots from the RX580 Pulse 4Gb, EXACTLY THE SAME RESULTS, some where too quick posting it should be the RX580 Pulse 8Gb.
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The 4GB card will work perfectly as you state. My understanding is that the only difference is that it won't show correctly in About this Mac. It'll be AMD R9 XXX instead of the correct name.
Or does it indeed show the full name?
 
The 8Gb is also NOT showing the right identity in Sierra, only in Hi Sierra....like the 4Gb version!

But the Titan is also showing 5 GT/s and its full identity, so I fail to see what news there is for RX580?
 
carpsafari said:
The 8Gb is also NOT showing the right identity in Sierra, only in Hi Sierra....like the 4Gb version!

But the Titan is also showing 5 GT/s and its full identity, so I fail to see what news there is for RX580?
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Yep, the IDs were definitely only added to High Sierra, that's for sure.
So you're saying the 4GB version shows correctly in About this Mac in High Sierra? From what I've read Apple only added 2 device IDs to the OS, perhaps the 4GB cards share the same device ID? Let me look into this.

The Titan is a different matter as it uses NVIDIA web drivers, does it not? That enables 5GT/s and sets the name correctly.
 
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Yes also the 4Gb shows as RX580 in Hi Sierra.

So I still don't think there is anything new.
Yes Titan is Nvidia, but for it to show up in PCI, is more new to me, than the RX580 sofar!

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These are the two 8GB cards which Apple detects in High Sierra and amends the name string for:
Sapphire RX 580 Pulse 8GB
GPU Device Id: 0x1002 0x67DF 113-4E3531U-O4V E353 Polaris20 XTX A1 GDDR5 256Mx32 8GB
GPU Device Id: 0x1002 0x67DF 113-4E353BU-O4E E353 Polaris20 XTX A1 GDDR5 256Mx32 8GB

The 4GB card is slightly different but very close. Perhaps it just reads this part only "113-4E353"
Sapphire RX 580 Pulse 4GB
GPU Device Id: 0x1002 0x67DF 113-4E353CU-O4B E353 Polaris20 XTX A1 GDDR5 128Mx32 4GB
 
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carpsafari said:
Yes also the 4Gb shows as RX580 in Hi Sierra.

Yes Titan is Nvidia, but for it to show up in PCI, is more new to me, than the RX580 so far!
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Yep, Apple fixed the PCI bug in System Profiler when using an unflashed card. That is indeed new to High Sierra.
 
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I'll stick in an unflashed GTX980 later, to see if this is also showing its identity in PCI.

Crap, that won't fly...there is no driver for Hi Sierra.
 
Squuiid said:
Yep, Apple fixed the PCI bug in System Profiler when using an unflashed card. That is indeed new to High Sierra.
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My Sapphire Nitro+ 4G shows as AMD R9 xxx in both Sierra and High Sierra beta 8. Benchmarks are ever so slightly better in High Sierra. However All benchmarking apps correctly report RX 580 engine in High Sierra and system profiler can read the PCI info unlike Sierra which couldn't. And yes mine is reporting 2.5 link speed.
 
irontony21 said:
My Sapphire Nitro+ 4G shows as AMD R9 xxx in both Sierra and High Sierra beta 8. Benchmarks are ever so slightly better in High Sierra. However All benchmarking apps correctly report RX 580 engine in High Sierra and system profiler can read the PCI info unlike Sierra which couldn't. And yes mine is reporting 2.5 link speed.
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Right, the Nitro+ does have a different part number which is not detected by the OS, and hence the name remains as AMD R9 XXX.
Only the Pulse models show the card name correctly, in High Sierra.
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carpsafari said:
I'll stick in an unflashed GTX980 later, to see if this is also showing its identity in PCI.

Crap, that won't fly...there is no driver for Hi Sierra.
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We should hopefully have a new driver in about a week or two when HS is released.
 
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I got a RX 580 Pulse 4GB today. It does not show the correct name in About this Mac. It was an open-box unit at the local Micro Center so I made sure to flash the stock BIOS.

There's a reason these AMD cards are popular with mining. A few adjustments (lower GPU clock, raise Memory clock) bring the compute scores up significantly.

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