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GTX 750ti - High Sierra 10.13.4 - Mac Pro 2008 Graphics Problems
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Hi,
Are there any updates on this issue because I'm experiencing the same since upgrading to High sierra.
I'm running a Mac Pro 3.1 with a GTX 750 ti video card and have successfully installed High Sierra using Dosdudes patch tool - however I'm experiencing these issues with the GTX 750 ti. I used a Mac Radeon HD 5770 to install with the bootscreen and everything works fine with that video card, but the GTX 750 ti is incredibly glitchy and most games won't run with it.
I'm fearing that the 750 ti is just not compatible with High Sierra anymore. If thats the case I'd need to buy a new video card. I've been searching for ages and I can't find much information at all. Any advise, links or help would be welcome.
Thanks in advance.
Are there any updates on this issue because I'm experiencing the same since upgrading to High sierra.
I'm running a Mac Pro 3.1 with a GTX 750 ti video card and have successfully installed High Sierra using Dosdudes patch tool - however I'm experiencing these issues with the GTX 750 ti. I used a Mac Radeon HD 5770 to install with the bootscreen and everything works fine with that video card, but the GTX 750 ti is incredibly glitchy and most games won't run with it.
I'm fearing that the 750 ti is just not compatible with High Sierra anymore. If thats the case I'd need to buy a new video card. I've been searching for ages and I can't find much information at all. Any advise, links or help would be welcome.
Thanks in advance.
On my 4,1 connected to a 4K display, my GTX 750 Ti (EVGA flashed by MacVidCards) works perfectly with High Sierra (10.13.4). It's been great for casually playing the mac version of "Rise of the Tomb Raider."
Still no luck for me 
I've just tried updating OS to the most up to date, and installed the most recent nvidia web drivers (was 106, now 107) and the problem still persists.
Everything runs fine on an old HD 5770, but when I plug the 750 ti there is no transparency on the top bar or dock, there are lots of glitch artefacts (white boxes appearing, whole elements of windows flickering on and off), Warcraft will not run (it just crashes on startup with an error message), Logic Audio experiences massive flickering that fills up a large portion of the screen and iTunes flickers constantly in the track display at the top middle of the screen. I also get weird artefacts in windows (darker grey blobs mainly) and lots of white flickering boxes.
Yet all works fine and smooth on the HD 5770, although there is no metal support so there are lots of bugs in Warcraft (mainly full bright models all over the place). This is nothing new, it's the whole reason I wanted to update to Sierra in the first place.
I can only conclude that the 750 ti needs replacing, or it might get fixed in a later up date, but I'm personally doubting that.
So, what PC video cards work in a Mac Pro 3.1 running High Sierra?
I'm not even using a 4k display... just ye olde 1080 for me...
For the record the 750 ti works flawlessly in Windows 10 via bootcamp. Problem is I hate Windows and would rather stay in OS X - plus that's where all my creativity happens.
I've just tried updating OS to the most up to date, and installed the most recent nvidia web drivers (was 106, now 107) and the problem still persists.
Everything runs fine on an old HD 5770, but when I plug the 750 ti there is no transparency on the top bar or dock, there are lots of glitch artefacts (white boxes appearing, whole elements of windows flickering on and off), Warcraft will not run (it just crashes on startup with an error message), Logic Audio experiences massive flickering that fills up a large portion of the screen and iTunes flickers constantly in the track display at the top middle of the screen. I also get weird artefacts in windows (darker grey blobs mainly) and lots of white flickering boxes.
Yet all works fine and smooth on the HD 5770, although there is no metal support so there are lots of bugs in Warcraft (mainly full bright models all over the place). This is nothing new, it's the whole reason I wanted to update to Sierra in the first place.
I can only conclude that the 750 ti needs replacing, or it might get fixed in a later up date, but I'm personally doubting that.
So, what PC video cards work in a Mac Pro 3.1 running High Sierra?
I'm not even using a 4k display... just ye olde 1080 for me...
For the record the 750 ti works flawlessly in Windows 10 via bootcamp. Problem is I hate Windows and would rather stay in OS X - plus that's where all my creativity happens.
This issue is unfixable. If you experience this issue then your perfectly fine video card has just been made obsolete by a mere choice in the software programming.
According to the OP everything worked before the latest High Sierra patch (10.13.4) and I can confirm that the GTX 750 ti works perfectly fine in a Mac Pro 3.1 running Sierra 10.12.6 and the relevant Nvidia web drivers (Sierra installed via dosdudes patch tool - which works pretty easily and is simple to understand).
Message to Apple: I originally invested in a Mac Pro 10 years ago because I'm old fashioned and truly believe that everything should be built to a high quality - built to last. This has been the case right up until Apple released Sierra; restricting older hardware for seemingly no apparent reason. I can still upgrade the memory, the hard drive space, and now the video card. This computer should still have years of use left in it, and so far it does. I can't afford to replace it, and there are many people out there that could be forced to use Windows and cheap PC hardware if their Mac's are made obsolete. So my important message to Apple is this: Stop making hardware obsolete due to software CHOICES! I can understand making IBM's obsolete due to upgrading to the Intel architecture, but the decision to exclude Mac Pro 3.1's has no hardware limitations, so why do it (the only hardware affected is the wifi and stock video cards, but you can buy and fit wifi cards that do work in Sierra and support for the latest Nvidia cards is pretty good).
I fear that Steve Jobs wouldn't have made this decision...
Sincerely, a concerned Apple customer.
According to the OP everything worked before the latest High Sierra patch (10.13.4) and I can confirm that the GTX 750 ti works perfectly fine in a Mac Pro 3.1 running Sierra 10.12.6 and the relevant Nvidia web drivers (Sierra installed via dosdudes patch tool - which works pretty easily and is simple to understand).
Message to Apple: I originally invested in a Mac Pro 10 years ago because I'm old fashioned and truly believe that everything should be built to a high quality - built to last. This has been the case right up until Apple released Sierra; restricting older hardware for seemingly no apparent reason. I can still upgrade the memory, the hard drive space, and now the video card. This computer should still have years of use left in it, and so far it does. I can't afford to replace it, and there are many people out there that could be forced to use Windows and cheap PC hardware if their Mac's are made obsolete. So my important message to Apple is this: Stop making hardware obsolete due to software CHOICES! I can understand making IBM's obsolete due to upgrading to the Intel architecture, but the decision to exclude Mac Pro 3.1's has no hardware limitations, so why do it (the only hardware affected is the wifi and stock video cards, but you can buy and fit wifi cards that do work in Sierra and support for the latest Nvidia cards is pretty good).
I fear that Steve Jobs wouldn't have made this decision...
Sincerely, a concerned Apple customer.
That's good and all, but did you send this to Tim's email, or send it to someone important at Apple?
Posting it here does nothing.
Not sure why you're automatically blaming Apple/High Sierra. Isn't the most likely culprit NVIDIA and their web driver?
My 750ti (flashed by MVC) works fine in my 4,1->5,1. So whatever this issue is seems to be related specifically to the 3,1.
I am sure you already know this but just in case the latest driver for NVIDIA GPU's is 387.10.10.10.30.107 for OS X 10.13.4 which you can get from macvidcards on the drivers page. There is also a CUDA driver update that was released on May 17, 2018, CUDA 396.64. The CUDA driver is on the mac driver archive page. I am very interested in how this worked out for you.
@skamerica i'm wondering if you can give me advice on the video card issue i have a mac pro 3,1 with NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512 MB card powering one monitor (would like to do 2 but seemed to make matters worse) and i'm getting cpu errors running pro tools which i believe are related to the video card (cpu usage is totally fine and tons of memory) .....my question is i originally asked @dosdude1 if i should install drivers for the video card from the nvidia web site and he said it wouldn't be any better than the os x ones so skip it
before i try to fix my pro tools situation with buying a new video card should i try to install different drivers than the os x ones ? i'm running latest version now 10.13.5
Just try it, won’t cost you anything, and you can remove the driver if that doesn’t help.
Sadly, it seems that this is the case. I've been sitting on Sierra since I encountered this issue, with a copy of High Sierra on another drive, to test periodically just in case they finally find a way around this.
Does anyone know if this is an Apple issue or a NVidia issue? I mean, it all points to Apple... being that it was their SW update which killed it, however, maybe someone can reverse engineer the update to find out what exactly is breaking the driver?
Maybe tweaks to the driver / OS will be able to sort this?
These issues are actually due to the fact that you had been using an AMD video card initially. On Mac Pro 3,1 systems running my patcher, it is necessary to patch some of the AMD video drivers to work on that machine, as the native High Sierra drivers require SSE4.2 instructions, which the CPUs used in the Mac Pro 3,1 do not support. This patch causes issues when using other kinds of video cards. In order to fix your issue, you'll need to download and run the script found here to remove the AMD video card patches, which will in turn get full acceleration working on your machine with the nVidia GPU.
Definitely going to try this RIGHT now. I'll fresh install onto another HDD with the AMD card and then try with this script. I guess you just open the script in Terminal?
Yeah, you just run it using Terminal. If you do a clean install with the AMD card installed, make sure you DESELECT the AMD video card patch when running the post-install tool (as it will automatically be selected if your machine is a Mac Pro 3,1 AND has an AMD card installed that needs the patch), then you won't have to run the script at all.
Oh really? Neat. Maybe you can look at finding a way to integrate such a feature for people who have non-Apple Nvidia cards? It'd be the best thing ever. Simple script to download and install the latest web driver and have it work right out of the box?
[doublepost=1530748038][/doublepost]HOOORAAYY! @dosdude1 ! Your work is incredible! Confirmed that all is working perfectly. However, I guess it makes sense to install the OS with the AMD drivers, giving you time to download and install the nVidia web driver, as there won't be any output until that driver has been installed. - Then run the script? Unless you can think of a better way?
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Oh really? Neat. Maybe you can look at finding a way to integrate such a feature for people who have non-Apple Nvidia cards? It'd be the best thing ever. Simple script to download and install the latest web driver and have it work right out of the box?
[doublepost=1530748038][/doublepost]HOOORAAYY! @dosdude1 ! Your work is incredible! Confirmed that all is working perfectly. However, I guess it makes sense to install the OS with the AMD drivers, giving you time to download and install the nVidia web driver, as there won't be any output until that driver has been installed. - Then run the script? Unless you can think of a better way?
Just to confirm, I've been able to run the script just now on my Mac Pro 3,1 with GTX960 installed. I had the red login screen background, issues with wake from sleep and, since installing the GTX, flickering, blocky unaccelerated graphics. Now I've run the script my graphics are accelerated again, which is great. Still have red login background... I'll have to wait and see about waking from sleep after a few hours. Thanks for raising this thread to help check the issue, and thanks to @dosdude1 for sharing the script to help resolve at least one of the issues! In case I missed it in other threads, is there a way to resolve the red login background?
Yes, to resolve the red login screen issue, simply change your desktop background, and it will go away.
Confirmed - This is a weird bug to do with the default wallpaper.
I was struggling with a 750TI in a MP3,1 on 10.13.6 for days. I installed the Nvidia drivers (387.10.10.10.40.105) and dosdude1's patch with SIP disabled and had these issues...then I did the same with SIP enabled. And I still had these issues. Then I tried older patched drivers...still issues. Finally I created a 16GB partition (booting to USB would hang at boot for me), I installed dosdude1's newest High Sierra Patcher with the newest install of High Sierra, and I re-installed High Sierra over my APFS OS install. After that everything was working 100%. The re-install took less than 30 minutes and all my settings and files remained intact. I assume the patch didn't work because I had other OS issues. I thought I'd share incase anyone else runs into similar issues. Thanks everyone for your help with this thread!
After updating to 10.13.6 I had a few issues, and this morning, the Mac wouldn't boot at all.. literally switched itself off when getting to the Apple logo (I assume the Apple logo, I cannot see).
I just tried fresh-installing the copy of 10.13.5 and I have the graphics issues again, even after running the script and installing the latest drivers for the GTX 750.. but now I'll try your method of re-downloading the already updated version of 10.13.6 and see if that fixes it.
@dosdude1 - Do you think there will be an easier way to do this? Or is the primary focus now on 10.14? If so, would it be possible to create an installer with cards like the 750ti in mind? Especially as I read in one of your tool descriptions, that 10.14 will not work with old ATI cards, but WILL work with Nvidia cards? Seems like this is the direction to head into?
Maybe have the tool download and compile the latest nVidia drivers as a part of a script during installation? Alternatively, maybe look at offering an option which is pre-compiled and can just be imaged via disk utility onto an empty hard disk?
Oh really? Neat. Maybe you can look at finding a way to integrate such a feature for people who have non-Apple Nvidia cards? It'd be the best thing ever. Simple script to download and install the latest web driver and have it work right out of the box?
[doublepost=1530748038][/doublepost]HOOORAAYY! @dosdude1 ! Your work is incredible! Confirmed that all is working perfectly. However, I guess it makes sense to install the OS with the AMD drivers, giving you time to download and install the nVidia web driver, as there won't be any output until that driver has been installed. - Then run the script? Unless you can think of a better way?
So, it seems the fix no longer works. After multiple different attempts and different "fixes" it seems that acceleration is dead again.
I did a complete fresh install of macOS onto the SSD, using the latest tool and installer of macOS. Installed with ATI acceleration initially (as otherwise there's no way to boot into the OS). Downloaded and installed nVidia drivers, rebooted.
GTX card is detected and working but without acceleration. Removed the ATI card entirely, ran the script, bunch of errors but wasn't sure if it's normal.
Rebooted, STILL no acceleration and graphics corruption like before. (Solid white dock etc).
Terminal output from script:
I'm in desperate need of a solution, not just do I need to reinstall everything, but I have client's photos to work on and I cannot right now.
Do you have another supported Mac to install High Sierra? If you install with a supported Mac, it's just two files that you have to change to boot on a 2008 Mac Pro, no other hacks/patches. I can help you with that.
@Agentriegel / @dosdude1 - So, managed to get this installation working only with 10.13.5. Fresh install of 10.13.5 allowed me to run the patch and remove the ATI card without a hitch. No acceleration problems.
@dosdude1 - I've included the terminal output below just in case you can build a new script to fix in future updates.
For the meantime, I'll avoid 10.13.5 until new updates are added
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I would be keen to know what the solution is though, just in case I brave the update again
@dosdude1 - I've included the terminal output below just in case you can build a new script to fix in future updates.
For the meantime, I'll avoid 10.13.5 until new updates are added
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Technically I can boot into macOS 10.12 if needed as that's my "emergency" version in the event all goes bad. But right now, I've been messing with trying to get this working, as you'll see from my most recent post.
I would be keen to know what the solution is though, just in case I brave the update again
If you can install 10.13.6 on a supported Mac, you just have to replace PlatformSupport.plist for the El Capitan version and add -no_compat_check to com.Apple.Boot.plist, like this:Technically I can boot into macOS 10.12 if needed as that's my "emergency" version in the event all goes bad. But right now, I've been messing with trying to get this working, as you'll see from my most recent post.
I would be keen to know what the solution is though, just in case I brave the update again
Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>Kernel Flags</key>
<string>-v -no_compat_check</string>
</dict>
</plist>No more problems.