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Any thoughts on my methodology? Woudl that disconnect between version and presets explain why my CQ adjustment results were so poor?

probably, the 0.9.2 preset was abr and the encoding options in advanced were set accordingly. As well, 0.9.3 uses a much newer x264 library which has different default options. In a nutshell, give the new preset a whirl in 0.9.3 and you be the judge. It should look at least as good if not considerably better than the old preset and typically at a smaller file size.
 
It would help to know exactly what settings everyone is using when doing Handbrake encodes, and what version of Handbrake everyone is using.

OP, are you using HB 0.9.2? The preset for ATV in 0.9.3 is constant quality, not an average bitrate, so I presume you are using the older version. From what I understand, 0.9.3 is faster than previous versions (correct me if I'm wrong though.)

For me, I use 0.9.3, with the new Universal setting (which is H.264, which takes longer to encode) bumped up to 62% constant quality, and have detelecine and decomb turned on. I rip an AAC stereo track and an AC3 surround sound track for audio. Video_TS folders are stored on an external USB drive (I've found fps/encode time doesn't change much at all whether reading from my USB drive, my FW drive, or my internal drive,) and the encodes are saved to my internal. With this setup, I average 7-9fps, and it usually takes 4-5 hours per movie.

That being said, encoding a movie in MPEG4 at 640x480, 2250kbps with detelecine and decomb, and with a stereo track... my machine will average 25-40fps.

I think in the case of Handbrake, the settings are going to be more important than the hardware (unless you're on a Mac Pro.)

Back to the OP: if you are using average bitrate for your movies, I would agree, 7-8fps is quite slow. It should probably encode faster than that.

0.9.3 is a lot slower than 0.9.2 if you ask me. I used to get 75-90FPS on the first pass, and 30-35 on the second pass with the xbox 360 preset. Now i get the same on the first pass, and about 15-23 on the second pass. Takes for ever to convert movies now.

2.4 C2D 2GB, 10.5.6. Macbook.
 

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probably, the 0.9.2 preset was abr and the encoding options in advanced were set accordingly. As well, 0.9.3 uses a much newer x264 library which has different default options. In a nutshell, give the new preset a whirl in 0.9.3 and you be the judge. It should look at least as good if not considerably better than the old preset and typically at a smaller file size.

Thanks dynaflash, did the updates and read a bunch of your commetnary over in the handbrake forums. Right now I'm going with Universal at a CQ rate of 62. The files are considerably smaller and quite similar in picture. The new settings seem to be a bit darker, but the screen I'm watching on hasn't been calibrated. Might just have to grin and bare it.

There's some noise (no pixelation), but i think that might have to do with the fact that the movies are older (some classics like "the jerk", "my cousin vinny", etc...) and that comes with the film of the time.

One thing however... the old apple tv preset kept the output file dimensions the same as the source. Now, the Universal and Apple TV settings shrink the short-side a bit. any specific reason? Will it really matter in the long run? thanks for everyone's help here! This place is great.
 
One thing however... the old apple tv preset kept the output file dimensions the same as the source. Now, the Universal and Apple TV settings shrink the short-side a bit. any specific reason?
well, not totally sure what you mean by that. But, the atv preset for 0.9.2 used strict anamorphic. the new one uses loose anamorphic. I would have to know more about what your describing as well as probably see an activity log from a relevant hb encode to see exactly what your doing. I suspect its the few pixels difference between strict and loose anamorphic.

Oh, and apologies to the OP for the thread derailment.
 
Indeed, my apologies as well. derailment was not my intent. I will only pursue my questions over PM or in a different thread.
 
I'm in the same boat. When I upgraded to a Power Mac G5 2.0 Dual GHz, I thought the fps would sky rocket on handbrake. However, since I started using a higher quality preset I still tug along at 7-11 fps. I am currently using a modified Apple Universal Setting preset that I toggled with. I leave the anamorphic setting off, so that I get a true dvd rip ( I don't mind the black bars, and the file is much smaller), and I increase the constant quality to 62%. It's pretty much a transparent copy of the dvd that way. After reading a bunch of forums, I noticed that everyone claiming to get 90 fps were either ripping with the ipod setting or a lower quality setting than I am using. So, I did a little test. I encoded using the ipod format, and my fps shot up to 40-60 fps. Therefore, I assume it's more of a quality issue than a processor issue. I would love to hear if anyone has feedback, I too would love to speed up the process, but I don't want to sacrifice quality.
 
haha i'm not one to get upset about thread hijacking, who cares? at least it's related!

On another note, if dynaflash is still checking this thread, I've tried out the Apple TV preset bumping up to 62% and it actually got worse! I've posted the code below.

This was from and to the same USB drive:
http://pastebin.ca/1405618

I believe this is also the Apple preset, changing the quality to 62% but from one usb to another usb.
http://pastebin.ca/1405619

Just weird that I didn't see an improvement. I tried to convert one on my internal drive and just watched it but after 5 minutes the average was ~5fps.

I appreciate all of your help up to this point, so if it's just the same as before (in that, the results are a little bit slower than they should be but not too bad) then don't worry too much about analyzing it. Thanks again!
 
I have 2 machines running HB at the moment just for comparison. It's my first time using the program.

Default Apple TV settings

Machine 1: 2006 CD 2.16 MBP
Machine 2: latest stock MBP17

I get similar fps on both machines. Approximately 22. But the old machine takes 4 hours vs 2 hours for the new machine.

Is that about right? I thought the slower machine would have a lower frame per second process
 
Takes about 5 hours to convert any normal 1-1/2 video using Handbrake AppleTV preset on my brand new Dell PC with 3 Gigs of RAM.
 
Takes about 5 hours to convert any normal 1-1/2 video using Handbrake AppleTV preset on my brand new Dell PC with 3 Gigs of RAM.

In that case, my MBP is chomping through these v quickly! I have something downloading in the background, MTR working on the optical drive and Handbrake takes between 1:50 to 2:15 to encode using the Apple TV preset!

eV
 
In that case, my MBP is chomping through these v quickly! I have something downloading in the background, MTR working on the optical drive and Handbrake takes between 1:50 to 2:15 to encode using the Apple TV preset!

eV

I envy you. If I could convert videos over in about 2 hours, I'd probably take the time to do it more often.
 
I envy you. If I could convert videos over in about 2 hours, I'd probably take the time to do it more often.

I was a little blah about my new machine. It didn't seem *faster* that the one it was replacing. Of course, I really only use it for safari, research and writing.
Just for fun I lined up the same movie in handbrake on both the MBPs side by side. The 2006 2.16CD is taking 4 hours as opposed to 2 hours on my new one.

The blahness disappeared! My new project is to rip the DVDs, handbrake them and then import them into iTunes.

BTW, I also have some .avi movies. WOuld I lose clarity if I convert them to Apple TV format using Handbrake?

eV
 
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