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If you want a set of big-ass ugly black boxes covered with dust collecting cloth, from a great-at-nothing brand like Samsung, go for it. It has all the specs, but again, it's big, ugly, and it's Samsung.

Just like Apple, Sonos doesn't give you all the specs, but it gives you great sound, great esthetics, and simplicity.
they ditched the cloth (sensibly) a few gens back. Keep up.

And the dev sound work isnt Samsung: they own Harmon Kardon and the sound labs. Independently owned by Samsung.

All sound is very user sensitive. If you dont like the tone then that's fine.
There's still plenty of tweaks on the device and in app to help get what you want.

Ugly is also subjective.
Some people dont like subwoofers at all. But you can hide them pretty well and still get great bass.
The redesigned q990b/c/d sub is much better than it used to be.

And Samsung add Bluetooth and HDMI in/out ports... something Sonos steer clear of when they can.
 
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Why would anyone want to downgrade that much? These aren’t even in the same stratosphere quality wise
perhaps read a few HiFi reviews... Bose, Sonos and Samsung regularly pitted against each other and very similar outcomes... some people prefer different sound signatures. none are true HiFi but convenience wins for most consumers.
EDIT: https://www.rtings.com/soundbar/reviews/best/soundbar
 
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9.1.4 Spatial Audio is glorified Binaural Audio on a channel strip. Without actually spatial placing speakers in and around the perimeter volume of a room you will not capture actual Spatial Audio. What you are capturing his is algorithmic delayed audio attempting to interpret how the mind will compensate and generate a synthetic version.

Then there is the absurd price.
Highly recommend trying it out if you can. It's surprisingly convincing even with just the Ultra itself.
 
I have been using Sonos for over 15 years and I would never purchase another Sonos device. I have Sonos speakers in every room, with 5 of those rooms having surround sound with a sub - a lot of speakers. Nothing works. It has been months of promises to do this and that....but no fixes. Usually only half my rooms show in the app. I get about 30 seconds into a song and it tells me I have to reauthorize the music service. Songs skip. It's all useless. I have invested thousands of dollars and recently when I had company over, I had to use a small bluetooth speaker I use when camping for music. Best case scenario that I can think of - Apple buys them and things get back on track. I don't trust a word coming from their current CEO, all lies.
 
At a combination Apple tech-loaded household with Sonos speakers, I'll simply preface the impending 300+ bash-a-rama posts to follow by saying that I have no trouble whatsoever with the updated app AND, for the majority of the time, Apple people don't even have to use the app at all: Mac app is still the same old one, Airplay works just fine, etc.

I know some people have had issues, so my "just fine" experience is not entirely representative of everyone... but what is about to follow is also not representative of everyone.

Unlike the HPs-or-bust mentality/defense, Sonos already has full home theater setups, fully worked out. This bar + twin 300s for surround + maybe the Sub if you want deep bass is a highly-rated, wireless surround sound setup (check objective sources) that actually puts "surround" sound behind you (your ears can certainly tell) and delivers deep bass. Arc can deliver left & right stereo like HPs PLUS center channel too... which is very important for dialogue in a surround sound setup. HPs have no such options, nor are there even any rumors of any such things.

Sonos already also works with about everything (including Apple Music and Siri via HomeKit) vs. being heavily locked down. Airplay "just works" too.

I'd passionately argue for the Receiver + dumb speakers setup- which is still the only option to deliver TRUE ATMOS in any room- over this... but this setup for the "must own a soundbar" crowd definitely yields a great sounding system without having to route speaker wires that are required in the traditional setup. I've set up a few of these for friends and have consistently been impressed with the audio quality... far better than ANY set of just 2 physical speakers that I've heard. Myself: traditional Receiver-based, with wires and "dumb speakers"... but I choose to use Sonos speakers in places that others use HPs, like rooms where I want music but do not already have speaker wire runs at the ready.

Now open the umbrella, because here comes the endless rain. ☔
I upgraded to the Ultra also and have the Era 300 as surrounds and the big pickup in the center channel is amazing. The app works fine for me, I had a few glitches over the summer but nothing major.
 
I have been using Sonos for over 15 years and I would never purchase another Sonos device. I have Sonos speakers in every room, with 5 of those rooms having surround sound with a sub - a lot of speakers. Nothing works. It has been months of promises to do this and that....but no fixes. Usually only half my rooms show in the app. I get about 30 seconds into a song and it tells me I have to reauthorize the music service. Songs skip. It's all useless. I have invested thousands of dollars and recently when I had company over, I had to use a small bluetooth speaker I use when camping for music. Best case scenario that I can think of - Apple buys them and things get back on track. I don't trust a word coming from their current CEO, all lies.
Companies, focus on this man and not your shareholders. The trickle down effect and word of mouth of your products will make or break your success long term.
 
Nope, the clearer/louder center channels isn't a bug. The Ultra has 6 midwoofers which significantly improves the clarity and loudness of vocals and dialogue. Also, the trueplay bug doesn't affect everyone (it worked fine with the Ultra at my house). Bass from the sub is deep and punchy and combined with Era 300's as surrounds it really is a significant upgrade over my previous Arc.

Another thing worth noting is that sound bubble produced by the Ultra + Era 300's is perfectly balanced between all of the speakers now, to the point where I can't easily tell where sound is coming from. The old Arc always sounded noticeably underpowered compared to the 300's, but now it just sounds like one cohesive bubble of sound that's all around you. It sounds seriously amazing with Atmos content.
If you test each of the channels, you can tell the center is significantly louder
 
At a combination Apple tech-loaded household with Sonos speakers, I'll simply preface the impending 300+ bash-a-rama posts to follow by saying that I have no trouble whatsoever with the updated app AND, for the majority of the time, Apple people don't even have to use the app at all: Mac app is still the same old one, Airplay works just fine, etc.

I know some people have had issues, so my "just fine" experience is not entirely representative of everyone... but what is about to follow is also not representative of everyone.

Unlike the HPs-or-bust mentality/defense, Sonos already has full home theater setups, fully worked out. This bar + twin 300s for surround + maybe the Sub if you want deep bass is a highly-rated, wireless surround sound setup (check objective sources) that actually puts "surround" sound behind you (your ears can certainly tell) and delivers deep bass. Arc can deliver left & right stereo like HPs PLUS center channel too... which is very important for dialogue in a surround sound setup. HPs have no such options, nor are there even any rumors of any such things.

Sonos already also works with about everything (including Apple Music and Siri via HomeKit) vs. being heavily locked down. Airplay "just works" too.

I'd passionately argue for the Receiver + dumb speakers setup- which is still the only option to deliver TRUE ATMOS in any room- over this... but this setup for the "must own a soundbar" crowd definitely yields a great sounding system without having to route speaker wires that are required in the traditional setup. I've set up a few of these for friends and have consistently been impressed with the audio quality... far better than ANY set of just 2 physical speakers that I've heard. Myself: traditional Receiver-based, with wires and "dumb speakers"... but I choose to use Sonos speakers in places that others use HPs, like rooms where I want music but do not already have speaker wire runs at the ready.

Now open the umbrella, because here comes the endless rain. ☔
ChatGPT summarize this.
 
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I use two HomePod Gen 2 speakers with Apple TV 4 in ARC mode. Happy with the sound but had some minor audio cracking issues on my PS5, which I blamed on HomePod, but last week I changed to shorter HDMI cables and issue is gone. This setup costs much less than the Sonos and I think it sounds not much worse.
 
9.1.4 Spatial Audio is glorified Binaural Audio on a channel strip. Without actually spatial placing speakers in and around the perimeter volume of a room you will not capture actual Spatial Audio. What you are capturing his is algorithmic delayed audio attempting to interpret how the mind will compensate and generate a synthetic version.

What is actual spatial audio?

If the spatial speakers around the room, due to their placement, reaches the ear in a delayed manner, in the same way as this 'synthesized' predicts the delay (actually, it *adjusts* the delay from calibration), what does it matter other than abstract purism?

And actually, already with just 2 physical channels on Apple AirPods line of products, you already know it can reproduce amazingly convincing front/rear and circular effects.

(The height effects of AirPods and Sonos both are not yet there though)
 
Love my Sonos system. Never a problem. Great sound. Looking forward to trying the new Arc. And the app is fine. I wish my damn Apple TV worked as well.
 
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I don't trust Sonos anymore. I have TONS of their products but don't think I'd buy another one.
Lost trust? did they rip you off or something. Did the sound change with any of your tons of products? Some kind of facts would help support your comment. Genuinely interested.
 
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And actually, already with just 2 physical channels on Apple AirPods line of products, you already know it can reproduce amazingly convincing front/rear and circular effects.

While "amazingly convincing" is certainly ear of the beholder, if it genuinely was amazing- that is, close to the real thing of having actual speakers to the "rear & circular," all of the cinemas in the world would quite happily switch to 2 HPs down front vs. the relatively enormous spend to install & maintain speakers placed all over the theater. You won't find one professional theater leaning on 2 HPs or any soundbar down front, even with such speakers promoted as ATMOS/SPATIAL in their marketing.

Audio trickery is better than nothing, but our ears have millions of years of evolutionary learning to help us zoom in on the source of a sound. Step outside, find a sound like a bird chirping and, through evolutionary magic, you'll soon locate the exact position of the bird. Rotate your body to face the other way and you'll readily HEAR that the bird is now behind you. Rotate 90º and you'll readily hear that the bird is now beside you.

No amount of algorithmic trickery can compensate for where sound originates. If one wants great home theater audio, copy the professionals (the cinemas) and get yourself speakers positioned all around you. If you want true ATMOS, get a few speakers placed above you too (again, just like professional ATMOS cinemas). No kind of single speaker or two down front is going to be close to that. Our ears can easily tell.

Now if we switch from some definition of "amazingly convincing" to "good enough," that might work for some people... certainly sounding much better than the cheap crap speakers typically built into a TV. But if you want theater-quality sound, there's no getting that from only a speaker or two up front. Sound intended to originate "back there" needs to actually come from back there. Sound intended to originate from "up there" needs to come from up there. Theater deep bass needs a sub of sufficient physical size to produce deep bass. Crisp & clear dialogue needs an actual center channel speaker vs. a faux one created by audio trickery.

If one can go to the one-time trouble to run speaker wires for at least a 5.1 setup, do it and you'll get fantastic sound from a good Receiver and quality dumb speakers... BETTER than you can get from 2 HPs and/or any soundbar.

If one can't run speaker wires for whatever reason, the wireless setup like Arc + twin 300s as surrounds + sub for (more) bass can be a superior alternative to only 2 HPs or any other dual speakers-up-front setup.

If one can't appreciate any speakers not made by Apple, HPs are the only option... and then you are limited to stereo regardless of marketing tags like ATMOS on the box. They are audibly superior to TV speakers but you are asking far more than you should of only 2 speakers in a home theater world that embraced 5+ speakers + sub way back in the 1990s.

Minimal target for great sound should include LEFT, CENTER & RIGHT speakers up front and at least 2 surround LEFT & RIGHT speakers... plus optional SUB if you want deep bass for the big booms in many movies.

Minimal target for true ATMOS is going to be those 5 speakers + SUB and at least a speaker(s) overhead.

We Apple people so desperately want a stereo pair of HPs to be as good as such setups but they are not. The original intent of them was to play MUSIC, in which stereo is "good enough" for most listeners. Apple opted to take easy money from people who wanted to make them TV speakers too... but there's not even a rumor of Apple doing any more than providing HP stereo setups. The long spun hope by Apple fans that maybe Apple would evolve 2 HP minis to become "surround" speakers would- if they ever actually did it- still be only a 4.0 system in 202X/203X vs. at least a 5.1 system that existed as early as the 1990s.

Home theater audio has long since evolved well beyond only stereo. If anyone could easily compare faux surround or ATMOS setups with real surround or ATMOS setups in their own home, they would absolutely hear a HUGE difference in quality of sound. Again, you won't find any professional theater leaning on the much cheaper options of only a soundbar or 2 HPs down front. Why is that? And in that answer, you know the way to a much improved home theater option in your home.

None of this is a knock on HPs or Soundbars at all. Either IS "amazingly" superior to crap TV speakers. But there's a much greater "amazingly" if you replicate what you can observe in any professional cinema before the lights go down (go early next time and look around) within your personal cinema. "Think different"... "Hear different!"
 
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What a joke. In what world would I continue investing in a company who somehow managed to trash my home speaker system? Out of all the tech in my house, my speakers not working was never on my list of known failure modes. New Sonos buyer’s beware. They didn’t fire the CEO when they should have. It’s not unreasonable to think we can see more incompetence going forward.
 
At a combination Apple tech-loaded household with Sonos speakers, I'll simply preface the impending 300+ bash-a-rama posts to follow by saying that I have no trouble whatsoever with the updated app AND, for the majority of the time, Apple people don't even have to use the app at all: Mac app is still the same old one, Airplay works just fine, E-arc connection to a TV means the TV controls the system (or AppleTV by proxy), etc.

I know some people have had issues, so my "just fine" experience is not entirely representative of everyone... but what is about to follow is also not representative of everyone.

No, it’s not “some” people who had issues. It was enough that the company projected tens of millions in fixing it costs. They literally delayed this product launch because the impacts to their 15MM+ users were significant. Don’t try and downplay this issue just because your use case didn’t fit the mold. That isn’t an issue that affects just “some” people. I was minimally impacted but still wasted hours troubleshooting across the different MacOS and iOS apps. Not something I’m happy with after spending $4K+ on my setup. I build software for a living, but I don’t love troubleshooting someone else’s **** software.
 
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No, it’s not “some” people who had issues. It was enough that the company projected tens of millions in fixing it costs. They literally delayed this product launch because the impacts to their 15MM+ users were significant. Don’t try and downplay this issue just because your use case didn’t fit the mold. That isn’t an issue that affects just “some” people. I was minimally impacted but still wasted hours troubleshooting across the different MacOS and iOS apps. Not something I’m happy with after spending $4K+ on my setup. I build software for a living, but I don’t love troubleshooting someone else’s **** software.
The issue was over six months ago. Why are you still having problems? I have no issue moving devices, using the app whatsoever. And realistically in daily use you hardly ever need to use it anyway.
 
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The issue was over six months ago. Why are you still having problems? I have no issue moving devices, using the app whatsoever. And realistically in daily use you hardly ever need to use it anyway.
It's not remotely fixed.

NAS based playback still doesn't exist.
All commands to the speakers have to go out to the internet and then back to your speakers.
 
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I wish there was some viable competition in this space. Sonos has served me well for years, but, like many, I have had issues since the app redesign. Makes me hesitant to purchase more and upgraded products.
Have you looked at Bluesound's offerings? They're getting really good!
 
It's not remotely fixed.

NAS based playback still doesn't exist.
I haven't used NAS for my own music files until like 15 years ago. But I do play ID tracks I get sent locally from my phone or from iCloud with no problem at all.
All commands to the speakers have to go out to the internet and then back to your speakers.
Only when you use the Sonos App ;) Why need to use the app all the time? I only use it when setting up new speakers, or to redo the tuning when moving something or changing the room. No big deal that the app needs internet and speaks to a server, pretty standard model.
 
Going back to the Sonos I had at one workplace ... when I first started working there, they had some unusual PA-type amplifier (AudioSource AMP1200) that appeared to be, perhaps, around 20 years old. It had issues but it worked. Later, I was told it was being replaced, and I was glad to hear it. But after they installed the Sonos and after using it for a couple weeks, I came to miss that junker decades-old system coz as bad as it was ... it was better.
 
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