Has Apple lost their mind? March 8th Event Disappointment

[StudioMacs]

I'm still undecided. I've watched a lot of online reviews and the general consensus among reviewers is that neither the 16 GB Mac Mini or the 24 inch iMac is powerful enough if you are serious about photography and have a lot of pictures to restore or correct. But that assessment isn't universal, some say that either the iMac or the Mini is more than enough for 'pro-sumer' level work. At this point Im going to wait and see how the M2 version of the Mac Mini, which is rumored to be coming out this year, or at least announced, is reviewed by online mac-centered photo reviewers.

Thanks for letting me know what you did, and how you think it is working out. If WWDC announces new M2 chips and specs that will probably go a long way to pushing me into a decision, unless they won't be available this year. From what I am hearing online the 24 inch iMac is probably NOT going to see an upgrade to the M2. But the rumors haven't been terribly accurate lately about what Apple is about to release.

Right now I have my daily workflow apps open, but no project files, and I'm using 16GB RAM on a 64GB Mac Studio.

308 MB - Safari
750 MB - forums.macrumors.com (this page)
215 MB - Mail
101 MB - Messages
940 MB - Photoshop - no images open yet
520 MB - Premier - no projects open yet
660 MB - After Effects - no projects open yet

The rest of the RAM is used by Adobe background services and macOS (spotlight, dock, etc...).

 

[satcomer]

Right now I have my daily workflow apps open, but no project files, and I'm using 16GB RAM on a 64GB Mac Studio.

308 MB - Safari
750 MB - forums.macrumors.com (this page)
215 MB - Mail
101 MB - Messages
940 MB - Photoshop - no images open yet
520 MB - Premier - no projects open yet
660 MB - After Effects - no projects open yet

The rest of the RAM is used by Adobe background services and macOS (spotlight, dock, etc...).

You should dump the subsriptionware Adobe and go with something like PixelMator Pro or Affinity Photo and dumb you Adobe Subscription!

 

[StudioMacs]

You should dump the subsriptionware Adobe and go with something like PixelMator Pro or Affinity Photo and dumb you Adobe Subscription!

I use this for work. I need to open projects from others as well. If someone sends me a Premier project to add motion graphics, or update a 30-second spot, those apps are useless. The alternative to Premier is Avid and Blackmagic, not hobbyist apps that don’t even support basic image editing workflows like working in CMYK. Those apps aren’t even suitable replacements for Photoshop, let alone Illustrator, Dreamweaver, After Effects, etc…

 

[kc9hzn]

Right now I have my daily workflow apps open, but no project files, and I'm using 16GB RAM on a 64GB Mac Studio.

308 MB - Safari
750 MB - forums.macrumors.com (this page)
215 MB - Mail
101 MB - Messages
940 MB - Photoshop - no images open yet
520 MB - Premier - no projects open yet
660 MB - After Effects - no projects open yet

The rest of the RAM is used by Adobe background services and macOS (spotlight, dock, etc...).

Oof, I can’t think of a good reason for a forum page to be occupying 750MB of RAM. MacRumors needs to go on a bit of a diet!

Seriously, though, seems like a JavaScript memory leak. I’m curious to know if the memory leak is in the MacRumors forum or in a third party ad. Do you use an ad blocker? As a developer myself, I’m afraid I need to throw web front end developers under the bus for a bit. Generally, web developers don’t seem particularly to care about performance metrics like uncached page load time, JavaScript memory performance, or network performance. I guess the assumption is “I don’t need to optimize, as next year’s computers will run my pages far better than this year’s do”. (Either that, or they simply lack the performance engineering chops that server side developers have to develop. Doing a performance trace on a web app is a lot harder than it is on a desktop app. Plus, web sites are generally considered transitory. And ads generally involve third party code running in the privileged memory state of your web page, third party code that faces even less pressure to optimize for performance.) Then again, I also had an instructor who was fond of saying that front end developers are barbarians (he was mostly referring to JavaScript’s type system, he favored TypeScript, but the point seems to broadly apply).

 

[diamond.g]

Oof, I can’t think of a good reason for a forum page to be occupying 750MB of RAM. MacRumors needs to go on a bit of a diet!

Seriously, though, seems like a JavaScript memory leak. I’m curious to know if the memory leak is in the MacRumors forum or in a third party ad. Do you use an ad blocker? As a developer myself, I’m afraid I need to throw web front end developers under the bus for a bit. Generally, web developers don’t seem particularly to care about performance metrics like uncached page load time, JavaScript memory performance, or network performance. I guess the assumption is “I don’t need to optimize, as next year’s computers will run my pages far better than this year’s do”. (Either that, or they simply lack the performance engineering chops that server side developers have to develop. Doing a performance trace on a web app is a lot harder than it is on a desktop app. Plus, web sites are generally considered transitory. And ads generally involve third party code running in the privileged memory state of your web page, third party code that faces even less pressure to optimize for performance.) Then again, I also had an instructor who was fond of saying that front end developers are barbarians (he was mostly referring to JavaScript’s type system, he favored TypeScript, but the point seems to broadly apply).

It's the adverts. If you block them or become a contributor site memory usage drops.

 

[Sumo999]

It's only "paradigm changing" (what is this 1987?) if the device matters to you at all. As I have 0 need for any Mini, let alone a Studio version, it has zero effect on my life personal or professional. It's not going to change how PC makers make gaming machines (Macs still suck at games), it's not going to change ML learning (as Cuda is still better), and it's not going to change for most people who barely do more than email/web/video streaming.

This really only impacts one user base. People that use Final Cut or very heavy Adobe work in a prosumer/freelance/consulting fashion, but rather have a smaller footprint than a Mac Pro. Which even then, making a person's desktop physically smaller has extraordinarily little if any impact on their workflow vs a larger tower with the same performance, and more upgradability.

I'm honestly more interested in what people manage to do with many Studio Ultras in a server farm setting.

More like 1997, when Intel bought & ditched StrongARM. Now ARM changes the rules of the game. It is simply obtuse to claim this is irrelevant.

 

[AltecX]

More like 1997, when Intel bought & ditched StrongARM. Now ARM changes the rules of the game. It is simply obtuse to claim this is irrelevant.

First my point was NO ONE says "paradigm changing" anymore. It's an annoying trope of buzzwords that marketing people use and salespeople that have no idea what they are talking about use. If you want to NOT be taken seriously and have eyes rolled at you... you say something changes the Paradigm. There is a reason people, especially marketing, do NOT use the term anymore.

I at no point said ARM or M1 was irrelevant. Your whole thing was about the Studio being a game changer. It's not. If you wanted to make the argument that the M1 ULTRA was a "paradigm changer" then you would have had a better point, but you DIDN'T make that point, and even then, the M1 was really the changer, the Pro, Max and Ultra are just scaling it farther.

What's obtuse is trying to change your argument after it's been pointed out as flawed.

 

[Andropov]

I at no point said ARM or M1 was irrelevant. Your whole thing was about the Studio being a game changer. It's not. If you wanted to make the argument that the M1 ULTRA was a "paradigm changer" then you would have had a better point, but you DIDN'T make that point

Totally. @Sumo999 here should have specified which component of the Studio was a paradigm game changer. I was convinced he meant that the Studio was going to disrupt the industry due to its power cord.

 

[Sumo999]

First my point was NO ONE says "paradigm changing" anymore. It's an annoying trope of buzzwords that marketing people use and salespeople that have no idea what they are talking about use. If you want to NOT be taken seriously and have eyes rolled at you... you say something changes the Paradigm. There is a reason people, especially marketing, do NOT use the term anymore.

I at no point said ARM or M1 was irrelevant. Your whole thing was about the Studio being a game changer. It's not. If you wanted to make the argument that the M1 ULTRA was a "paradigm changer" then you would have had a better point, but you DIDN'T make that point, and even then, the M1 was really the changer, the Pro, Max and Ultra are just scaling it farther.

What's obtuse is trying to change your argument after it's been pointed out as flawed.

You are correct, the general point I wanted to make was about M1/ARM

 

[StudioMacs]

Totally. @Sumo999 here should have specified which component of the Studio was a paradigm game changer. I was convinced he meant that the Studio was going to disrupt the industry due to its power cord.

Just want to point out the Mac Studio uses a standard C5 ”cloverleaf” power cord. You might be thinking of the Studio Display, but that doesn’t have an M1 Ultra in it yet…

 

[darngooddesign]

First my point was NO ONE says "paradigm changing" anymore...

What about 'paradigm-shifting change'?

 

[Sumo999]

What about 'paradigm-shifting change'?

Merriam-Webster dictionary says "Paradigm traces to a Greek verb meaning "to show," and has been used in English to mean "example" or "pattern" since the 15th century." The Kuhnian usage I was alluding to is far more expansive and does not apply here, as you folks have pointed out.