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has apple stopped the osx on new macs running on pcs
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branana said:
You will find when you steal a copy of OS X 10.4.4 and "try" to install on your PeeCee that you're gonna need to learn more than simple script..
Trust me
Who says you need to be a Mac user to make a virus for a Mac? What about all of those Windows users who are sick of us Mac users saying "We don't get viruses, HaHa."asherman13 said:
I'm sick of people saying that Apple doesn't get viruses because no one wants to make one. There are 1000's of people that would love to make one - they just can't!
Peace said:You will find when you steal a copy of OS X 10.4.4 and "try" to install on your PeeCee that you're gonna need to learn more than simple script..
Trust me
Spot on!!
And THIS man DOES know what he is talking about
SiliconAddict said:
Wide Spread?
Or does it require hardware mods?
If it is technically possible (how hard it may be..), it will be done.
It's all about prestige..... who will be able to run 10.4.4 on a non-Mac Intel first.
It's all about prestige..... who will be able to run 10.4.4 on a non-Mac Intel first.
No one is talking about actually doing it. They are just curious if it can be done. Until someone has posted step by step instructions on how to do it, no rules/laws have been broken.RacerX said:
What about the first person to make a Virus for Mac? Thought there would be some prestige there also.MacsRgr8 said:
EricNau said:
Its always been a barrier to entry. To write a virus for the Mac you need to own a Mac first. Even cheapo ones on e-bay aren't all that cheap if you are just doing this for kicks. Now that OS X86 is being installed on PC hardware its trivial, assuming you can install it, to get the environment running. Its somewhat of a moot point though. Most virus writers are script kiddies now a days. They wouldn't know how to really build a virus from a vulnerability they found if it bit em in the ***. Now a days all virus writers do is sit back, wait for MS to release the latest security patch, from their description figure out what hole its patching, reverse engineer the patch, and build a virus off the vulnerability, taking advantage of the god know how many users out there who don't know enough to run Windows update once a month. I KNOW that a virus could be designed for OS X. The problem is that it would take someone with some serious skills to build one. And frankly viruses aren't today's biggest problems. Viruses are annoying. What is dangerous are worms. The malware that can jump from system to system to system without user intervention. But that requires a massive amount of ports to be left open and vulnerable. Something that OS X doesn't have. Do I think X is going to get a virus? Yes. Someday. Do I think its going to be as dangerous as MS Blaster that hit the Windows world like a ****storm? Not a chance in heck.
Well, First you put the DVD in and turn the computer on, then boot into DOS and type "kill windows mac rules", and there you go.EricNau said:
But seriously I think that some one will crack 10.4.4 and the Apple will change how the lock it to the hardware and then no one will be able to crack it from then on.
BakedBeans said:
I don't think anything being hacked will ever become widespread other then to the handful (relatively speaking.) of nerds out there who want to run it on their dual core X2 with 2GB of RAM, 1TB of storage space, and quadbooting system of OS X, XP, Vista, Slackware Linux, and BeOS. I personally only know 2 people who have hacked OS X onto their system. Performance wasnt great so they went Meh and removed it. I think at best there is probably 5% of Microsofts 90% market share that is infested in stealing OS X. The rest are up for grabs and frankly at 5% market share Apple will welcome any of that 85% with open arms.
As for what is required.
Who knows. My guess is that whatever authentication system will be physically broken in the code before install on the restore CD/DVD and a patch will be slipstreamed into the install. I think its going to become a cat and mouse game. Ever time Apple release a patch it will have something that checks for X and if it isn't there it repairs it and people are back to square one with their install. Think about that a second. The next version of iTunes has this in it. The next iLife package has it. 10.4.5 has it. 10.4.6 has it. Then every patch in between.Posters in this thread have said that they have done it (with the developer version), which is a violation of the license of that software.EricNau said:
With a moderator posting in the thread, should anyone need to hit the report button?Nermal said:
It just looks like MacRumors is now endorsing at least the discussion of violating Apple software licenses.
And I find that to be an interesting development.
RacerX said:Posters in this thread have said that they have done it (with the developer version), which is a violation of the license of that software.
With a moderator posting in the thread, should anyone need to hit the report button?
It just looks like MacRumors is now endorsing at least the discussion of violating Apple software licenses.
And I find that to be an interesting development.
come on bud - we are starting to have a nice adult (ish) convo about the title of the thread - meh
benjamindaines said:
Somebody will crack the protection that's for sure, just a question of how long it will take him. Apple will jump on it to fix it. Then more people will take shots at cracking it.
This is just Apple's profitability and resources versus the resources of a large, eager, cheap potential-OSX users. In the end I think Apple would lose in a war vs The Scene scenario.
The way Apple would deliver updates to the OS is through Software Update, who will run Software Update daily? Not many. How many people still are using OSX (PPC for example) 10.4.1? 10.4.2 ? A lot of them out there. The thing is, sure in 10.4.9 there's new code disabling booting in non-Apple hardware again, and it takes longer to crack. But those already running 10.4.8 on Intel-clones wouldn't even NEED to upgrade anyways. All their software run fine. Let the crackers do their thing, take their time. When the "fixed 10.4.9" comes around, BT. If you are running 10.4.3 Intel right now and you do not NEED to update, all unibins/ppc apps run fine.
Apple has jumped into the market of the 95%. Can anyone name a mass-market application that technically runs on 95% of the market that has not had its copyright protection bypassed/disabled/rewritten? What happened to Windows Activation? What happened to Adobe activation? Will OSX have to phone home every boot up? Will OSX require a working internet connection? Will OSX pass every system call first to http://www.apple.com then back? Nope.
Do not be agitated because you need to shell out big bucks for an iMac Intel to use OSX Intel and other do not.
- You are doing this legally, you are supporting Apple (quality software and hardware company).
- The pirates are enjoying an OS they really like. Many of these pirates had never looked an Apple respectfully before.
- A lot of these pirates will think twice about the purchase of a new computer, Made-by-apple-in-cali or made by Gramps Computers
- More people using OSX will mean more software developers for OSX
Another thing to take into consideration is that Apple had to of thought of this when they decided to switch to Intel so they most definitely have a solution.
SiliconAddict said:I don't think anything being hacked will ever become widespread other then to the handful (relatively speaking.) of nerds out there who want to run it on their dual core X2 with 2GB of RAM, 1TB of storage space, and quadbooting system of OS X, XP, Vista, Slackware Linux, and BeOS. I personally only know 2 people who have hacked OS X onto their system. Performance wasn’t great so they went Meh and removed it. I think at best there is probably 5% of Microsoft’s 90% market share that is infested in stealing OS X. The rest are up for grabs and frankly at 5% market share Apple will welcome any of that 85% with open arms.
As for what is required.
I disagree. Apple would never implement destructive behaviours into things like iTunes updates. I can see that if iTunes doesn't detect the right hardware ID or something, it would quit and throw an error. I do not see it disable the OS/wipe your hard drive because there's the 0.001% unlucky legit user who will get the wrath of Apple that way. Apple definitely do not want to be seen like that. If iTunes will go around with a malware behaviour like that many people will turn to open-source solutions.
Add: every PC game patch version of every game has a crack
branana said:
I know this doesn't really fall into your guidelines, but AFAIK, Logic Pro has not been cracked yet, as it requires a hardware key to run.
RacerX said:
I'm just lazy today
Besides, as mentioned, talking about whether it's possible is OK, just don't post back with how to do it, or ask for help with doing it.
I know apple will try their best to prevent mac os x to be on 'dull little boxes', but I really can imagine it being cracked/hacked in the future. I'm not sure how their prevention hardware detection system works, but if software has to detect hardware, then generally that hardware can be emulated.
Those "work-arounds" basically turn Logic Pro into Logic Express, which doesn't use the dongle. One of the funny bits with Logic is that some legit owners of the product are the most interested in getting rid of the XSKey.Airforce said:
You should see what Logic users spend on hardware