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Relevant piece: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/06/15/developer-slams-lack-of-mac-updates/

"Rogue Amoeba developer Quentin Carnicelli, who works on Mac software like Airfoil, Audio Hijack, Loopback, and Fission, this week penned a critique of Apple's Mac lineup and the company's recent lack of Mac updates, and that missive has been gaining some attention from Mac fans.
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I wonder if Mr. Carnicelli is planning to migrate off of the Mac platform. It would be the wise thing to do.
 
My workplace didn't give up hope, it gave up Apple because Apple gave up on the Mac. They also gave up on the Apple ecosystem because Apple shifted the ecosystem toward gadgets that make Apple seem like the next Sharper Image gadget store.

The HP-Zseries workstations are performing better than expected, money well spent.

If Microsoft provided a easy way to port all your user data and applications from an mac running in terminal mode or a clone back up. It would be hard not to consider switching to a HP workstation. If it was as easy as switching to a new Imac Apple hardware would be done for.
 
If Microsoft provided a easy way to port all your user data and applications from an mac running in terminal mode or a clone back up. It would be hard not to consider switching to a HP workstation. If it was as easy as switching to a new Imac Apple hardware would be done for.
Can you expand upon what you mean with this?
 
If Microsoft provided a easy way to port all your user data and applications from an mac running in terminal mode or a clone back up. It would be hard not to consider switching to a HP workstation. If it was as easy as switching to a new Imac Apple hardware would be done for.
Do you know that Windows supports a bash shell these days?

For terminal-based workflows that's a good start. For GUI apps, it depends on the app.
 
If apple messes up with the new mp then ...apple is over in terms of computers.

I agree... they better show something to keep us interested when they announce the new iPhones/etc in Sept/Oct. If they don't release the mMP in the next 9 - 12 months, then they can pretty much kiss any faithful customers goodbye.

I for one, cannot wait longer than that... hell, I've already waited long enough. Dark mode isn't enough to keep me onboard. The mMP better be everything they've kept us waiting so long for.
 
More like "As if"! You must have missed this movie!
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Can you expand upon what you mean with this?
Ok. I have years of job files going back forever. As a reference they have value to me. My office has the same and way more. Years of old projects which from time to time are essential to starting new projects. Clients will often start and stop projects and come back several years later and want to try something new. So we archive projects and make backups. Information has value and I we don’t have budgets to do stuff over.
If tomorrow my Mac stopped working I can go to the local Apple store buy a new unit plug it in and after time machine I am back in business. If my office wants to make the switch to Windows we have to hire a consultant to make the switch and train the staff to use the new system. Some of my team will take it upon them selves to learn but most team members have already said no-way. Switching is a major cost, time and information loss barrier. So - buy a new max push a button and go back to work or switch to windows. 1. loose acess to valuable information and face weeks of re-training a now efficient team 3. risk losing clients due to the confusion created.

So the switch would have to be quick and painless. Many of the people who contribute to this forum are technically advanced and changing would not be an issue. However I work with a team of very talented designers. 95% are not interested in whats inside the box. They just want to get projects done before 5 so they can hit the road.

Thats why I said is I could transfer our macs workstations to windows via a time machine back-up and go back to work it might happen. This will never happen.
 
Ok. I have years of job files going back forever. As a reference they have value to me. My office has the same and way more. Years of old projects which from time to time are essential to starting new projects. Clients will often start and stop projects and come back several years later and want to try something new. So we archive projects and make backups. Information has value and I we don’t have budgets to do stuff over.
If tomorrow my Mac stopped working I can go to the local Apple store buy a new unit plug it in and after time machine I am back in business. If my office wants to make the switch to Windows we have to hire a consultant to make the switch and train the staff to use the new system. Some of my team will take it upon them selves to learn but most team members have already said no-way. Switching is a major cost, time and information loss barrier. So - buy a new max push a button and go back to work or switch to windows. 1. loose acess to valuable information and face weeks of re-training a now efficient team 3. risk losing clients due to the confusion created.

So the switch would have to be quick and painless. Many of the people who contribute to this forum are technically advanced and changing would not be an issue. However I work with a team of very talented designers. 95% are not interested in whats inside the box. They just want to get projects done before 5 so they can hit the road.

Thats why I said is I could transfer our macs workstations to windows via a time machine back-up and go back to work it might happen. This will never happen.
I'm still not clear on what you mean. What is a "job file"? What format are all of the "years old project files"? Are they something specific to the OS? Or are they application specific?
 
He's levitating because he's a ghost, duh. Actually, my post was meant to be humorous. I didn't think anyone would get the joke and it served a dual purpose. Hope was the name of some daytime television character who levitated on a bed due to some evil spirits. It was all the rage in the press at the time. At around the same time, according to my memory, Jobs returned to Apple.

There won't be another Steve Jobs. No one can be like Steve Jobs. The sooner people understand and process that information, the sooner they'll be able to move on with their lives.

It's funny you quoted me. Not completely related, but before my powernap earlier, I watched the Snazzy Labs video on upgrading the processor in the iMac Pro, the 10 core one. Seems Apple gets lower binned chips from Intel for whatever reason. Apple as of the last eight years has gone above and beyond to serve old products in new casing and take more than what would be considered as a healthy margin on upgrades during the ordering phase.

Phones are simply more lucrative at this point given the speed and efficiency improvements year over year, whereas computers have been relatively stagnant for the last 10 years. Something like a 40% overall increase in IPC from 2010 to 2018.

It could be feasible that sometime down the road someone who wants a phone buys Apple and someone who wants a laptop or a desktop buys a PC.
 
I'm still not clear on what you mean. What is a "job file"? What format are all of the "years old project files"? Are they something specific to the OS? Or are they application specific?
I am an industrial designer working for a packaging and product development firm. A job file is a collection of work done on a project. It can include: 1. Preliminary photo searches (jpegs and tiffs), store surveys and reports. 2. Marketing studies reports and presentations. 3. Preliminary illustrator layouts. 4 CAD structure studies for product development, packaging and displays. 4. FONTS used. 5. Mechanical art files sent for print and ect...The files are all application specific except for the photos. However there are pc versions of all the software we normally use. It would require switching software licenses and I am not sure of the cost or what would happen with the project fonts. PC fonts are not the same and any illustrator document would be modified with and the type style and letter spacing would change. This would destroy hours of design work. Unless we find a rich uncle we are stuck with Apple and the Mac. Information and time already spent is more important than a shiny new Mac. Apple would have to do something pretty bad for us to move on.
 
I am an industrial designer working for a packaging and product development firm. A job file is a collection of work done on a project. It can include: 1. Preliminary photo searches (jpegs and tiffs), store surveys and reports. 2. Marketing studies reports and presentations. 3. Preliminary illustrator layouts. 4 CAD structure studies for product development, packaging and displays. 4. FONTS used. 5. Mechanical art files sent for print and ect...The files are all application specific except for the photos. However there are pc versions of all the software we normally use. It would require switching software licenses and I am not sure of the cost or what would happen with the project fonts. PC fonts are not the same and any illustrator document would be modified with and the type style and letter spacing would change. This would destroy hours of design work. Unless we find a rich uncle we are stuck with Apple and the Mac. Information and time already spent is more important than a shiny new Mac. Apple would have to do something pretty bad for us to move on.
Thank you, this was very helpful. Since these are application specific issues, with the possible exception of the fonts, what is your expectation of Microsoft?

It sounds as if all the applications are already in place and possibly a little effort to clean up font issues. Licensing may nor may not be an issue. Many software companies will provide a Windows / Mac license for users who are already licensed for the other platform.
 
the direction apple has been taking with all their products is not good, they don't seem to care what their customers want or listen to feedback. in the phil schiller interview they claimed to have hired a team of pros to give feedback about what the users want, yeah! but will they take the advice?!! i will believe it when i see it.

how about charge a wireless mouse and use it at the same time? have more than a single usbC port? removing ports, headphone jacks, physical buttons, magsafe, glowing logos... these are things people wanted, doesn't matter if they needed it, they wanted it and apple knows it. these are simple things to get right, and that's totally aside from deliberately sabotaging products, like not allowing SD cards in phones, or not letting users upgrade their own ram.

add to that the depressing rumors about arm chips instead of intel, more often than not these types of rumors turn out to be true. so yeah i am not very hopeful.

last year tim cook was saying he wanted more vr developers, but they don't sell a mac that is powerful enough to run vr games, mac isn't a strong gaming platform and they never address that shortcoming. then he rips away openGL support, which is what indie game designers are using to put games on mac. indies will never use the proprietary metal api. stupid. stupid. stupid.

tim also starts selling egpu enclosures but doesn't let it officially support nvidia or win10? what developer wants to take a risk and develop on a unsupported platform, any day microsoft or apple may have an update that totally breaks it. or best case scenario you will have kernel panics galore.

2019 release means reveal in dec 2018 and available in mar 2019 ...OR... reveal in dec 2019 and available in mar 2020. i was hoping for at least some word at the wwdc but nope, they are happy to let everyone sit and wait in silence for their long overdue products.
 
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It better happen, i've just had to stump up for a fecking outdated mini as my pro just died. My god they are slow. Apple should be ashamed to sell them.

Thank god I can go back and re-install Yosemite on it. Atl east it'll actual function without contant beach balls.

If we don't see any updates before Christmas, i'll start putting funds together for a HP Z series.
 
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I am an industrial designer working for a packaging and product development firm. A job file is a collection of work done on a project. It can include: 1. Preliminary photo searches (jpegs and tiffs), store surveys and reports. 2. Marketing studies reports and presentations. 3. Preliminary illustrator layouts. 4 CAD structure studies for product development, packaging and displays. 4. FONTS used. 5. Mechanical art files sent for print and ect...The files are all application specific except for the photos. However there are pc versions of all the software we normally use. It would require switching software licenses and I am not sure of the cost or what would happen with the project fonts. PC fonts are not the same and any illustrator document would be modified with and the type style and letter spacing would change. This would destroy hours of design work. Unless we find a rich uncle we are stuck with Apple and the Mac. Information and time already spent is more important than a shiny new Mac. Apple would have to do something pretty bad for us to move on.

[also in response to your previous post] :
Full disclosure: I'm a small software developer who is "evolving" away from Apple platforms.

Your "rich uncle" comment resonates with me, but in the opposite direction. Sure, a platform transition will be costly, but Apple has the expectation that you continue to purchase their (now inferior) hardware, in spite of the fact that more cost effective hardware is available on other platforms. You, and the members of your firm now must accept the following:

1. Completing the project so you can "hit the road" by 5 attitude is not acceptable to Apple. You must accept that staying past 5 demonstrates "passion" for, and your "commitment" to YOUR work, which is ENABLED by Apple.

2. Money is not the primary objective of your firm - your PASSION for your work should be your only focus. Using Apple products is a primary enabler of that PASSION. Financial considerations are a non-issue because the revenue will be flowing in when your firm is operating correctly.

Your firm's "value" in the ecosystem is enabled by #2 - this will drive revenue to cover whatever financial costs you incur. If not, your firm is simply not viable in the market ecosystem.
 
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huh? my iMac 2017 (base model) has a single thread score of 5093.
You are mistaken. No CPU even approaches that figure for a single threaded CPUmark. The fastest Kaby Lake available at 2531 doesn't even reach half that https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4790K+@+4.00GHz&id=2275. The fastest Coffee Lake CPU at 3433 does offer a decent single threaded performance boost but is still nowhere near your claimed 5093 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=3098. It's taken ten years for Intel to double single threaded performance.
 
You are mistaken. No CPU even approaches that figure for a single threaded CPUmark. The fastest Kaby Lake available at 2531 doesn't even reach half that https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4790K+@+4.00GHz&id=2275. The fastest Coffee Lake CPU at 3433 does offer a decent single threaded performance boost but is still nowhere near your claimed 5093 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=3098. It's taken ten years for Intel to double single threaded performance.

I was talking about Geekbench scores.
 
It better happen, i've just had to stump up for a fecking outdated mini as my pro just died. My god they are slow. Apple should be ashamed to sell them.

Thank god I can go back and re-install Yosemite on it. Atl east it'll actual function without contant beach balls.

If we don't see any updates before Christmas, i'll start putting funds together for a HP Z series.

I had to use my Mac Mini 2012 for a week (with SSD installed myself) because my Mac Pro died too. In no way the Mini is comparable with my Mac Pro. CPU gets hot in an instant when used a little bit more. And the iGPU HD 4000 is so weak if you are used to a dedicated graphics card with horse power.

Therefore it was worth the money to repair my Mac Pro. Significantly cheaper than a new Mac: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-5-1-no-boot-up-black-screen.2124447/#post-26201323

At the moment Apple has no desirable new Mac to offer.
 
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Have I given up hope? More or less, yes, MBP2012. Recent self completed replacement of keyboard and battery. And a Black Cylinder. Tim wants to become a media company. They build a space ship campus which allows them to add lots more staff. It isn't a staffing issue. It's a focus issue. They remain focused on phones and now media. Computers aren't even in the back seat (Karaoke). They left them at the curb. To me the issue will become an environmental issue. If I switch to Win, then I will probably switch my tablet and eventually my phone too. New CEO at MS is really pushing hardware innovation. Even if I don't change out over time, Apple could be caught sleeping at the switch hardware wise by MS. But when you have more cash then you know what to do with you tend to become complacent. Then latest phones and MB's and all the extra cables you have to lug around and the lack of ports are a big turn off to me. Apple puts style above function. Hence the elimination of the audio jack and mag safe. Both eliminations were not well received. It's like they design in a bubble and don't listen or care what their end users want or need. It's almost like they have a cavalier attitude. This is what we want. Learn to live with it.
 
It sounds as if all the applications are already in place and possibly a little effort to clean up font issues....

It's interesting what different backgrounds read into things. What I read was "...all the applications are in place and a honking great pain in the ass to review any past project to deal with the font issues." I very much doubt that it's a little effort, unless the differences are localized to a very few rarely used fonts, and the designers are sure that the common fonts are exactly the same.
 
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It's interesting what different backgrounds read into things. What I read was "...all the applications are in place and a honking great pain in the ass to review any past project to deal with the font issues." I very much doubt that it's a little effort, unless the differences are localized to a very few rarely used fonts, and the designers are sure that the common fonts are exactly the same.
I'm no expert with fonts but I do know even the same font can display differently on different platforms. Thus the font concern is very real. However I'm not sure there is anything Microsoft can do about this which is what the OP I was responding to appears to be expecting.
 
I'm no expert with fonts but I do know even the same font can display differently on different platforms. Thus the font concern is very real. However I'm not sure there is anything Microsoft can do about this which is what the OP I was responding to appears to be expecting.
I have been looking into this for a while and most of the recent projects are done using opentype fonts. It’s the last 20 years. Type is almost always spaced and manipulated to fit and look right. So most files would change and require additional work (even opentype).
My team is passonite about their work. There are always designers sitting at their work stations way past quiting time. However they are doing billable work that has to get done. We are computer users not IT specialists. Our team is very good to creating brands and packaging. A switch over would require them relearning the interface and fixing competed projects as needed. Management wouid rather have us doing what we do best. Budgets are tighter than ever so when we invest in new machines it is incremental with the faster workstation going to the place it is needed the most. This is easy to do with Macs and I expect this will continue. That said. I don’t expect we woulld ever have a PC revolution but we would definatly add a PC if a project required it. We have not lost hope.
 
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