Has it ever occurred to you that Apple already thought this out?

[master-ceo]

Apple doesn't want flash because users could circumvent the Appstore--if Flash was on the iphone/Touch/iPad, users could play Flash based games instead of buying them from Apple. I don't expect them to ever relent on Flash--it would upset their revenue stream. The KNOW people will buy their Flash-less products, so there's zero incentive for them to permit Flash.

So they cripple a would be great product. Apple, grow up.

If i buy music, its the real cd not a DDL.

 

[Niiro13]

The majority of reason why browsers crash in the first place is because of Flash. In fact, I haven't gotten a browser crash from anything other than Flash.

Flash games get ported to the AppStore every day. Apple knows this. Having Flash wouldn't hurt any of that.

I think Apple (and developers) would lose more money in a day due to the pirated applications than they would lose to Flash in a week or even more.

 

[blairh]

You clearly have no understanding of why Hulu exists at all. Even the people who created Hulu (NBC, Fox, ABC) hates the very idea of it. Getting a viewer to watch a show on television is much much more profitable. They were forced to create a website in hopes it would lessen torrent downloads.

Most people only download torrents at home. Any device you can take outside the home (including laptops) does not help them.

For example: I'm at home. I want to watch last week's episode of 24. If Hulu didn't exist, I would just download a torrent. Instead of watching no commercials, I watch 2 minutes of commercials. Better than nothing so Hulu saved them some money. But if I watched it on TV, I would've watched 18 minutes of commercials.

Now, say I'm at the coffee shop on my laptop/iPad/iPhone/other mobile device with my 3G connection. I'm less likely to download a torrent in public so having Hulu available saves them nothing. Having your shows available outside your home also makes it MORE convenient than television and they will lose television viewers.

If everyone stops watching TV and switches to Hulu, your favorite shows wouldn't exist because there is very little revenue there compared to live TV ads.

Your argument makes no mention of DVR. You say if you had watched 24 at home you would have been forced to watch 18 mins of commercials. Excuse me? I don't know a person who doesn't own a DVR. If you don't, that is your prerogative.

Your argument about Hulu blocking access to laptops makes no sense. Maybe the networks didn't want to create Hulu in the first place and essentially were forced to. But if you told someone "yeah, you can't watch Hulu on your laptop" it would be far less popular and therefore far less successful in deterring people from downloading torrents.

 

[lordhamster]

If i buy music, its the real cd not a DDL.

1982 called, it wants it's technology back.

 

[G4R2]

I have a suspicion that AT&T might be why the webcam might be absent beyond whatever technical or cost related issues might have prevented it from being included in this product.

I don't think that a tablet with a webcam would overload AT&T's capacity.

I do think that a tablet with a webcam at $29.99 a month unlimited would essentially mean that a lot of users would no longer need a voice plan. Combined with Google Voice and whatever advantages AT&T had as the exclusive supplier of the iPhone in the US market over the last several years would evaporate just as quickly.

It may also be that Apple thought it was preferable to negotiate a $29.99 unlimited plan with no contract for data services instead of introducing an iPad with a webcam but with a higher price on the data plan.

 

[lordhamster]

I have a suspicion that AT&T might be why the webcam might be absent beyond whatever technical or cost related issues might have prevented it from being included in this product.

I don't think that a tablet with a webcam would overload AT&T's capacity.

I do think that a tablet with a webcam at $29.99 a month unlimited would essentially mean that a lot of users would no longer need a voice plan. Combined with Google Voice and whatever advantages AT&T had as the exclusive supplier of the iPhone in the US market over the last several years would evaporate just as quickly.

It may also be that Apple thought it was preferable to negotiate a $29.99 unlimited plan with no contract for data services instead of introducing an iPad with a webcam but with a higher price on the data plan.

I'd have loved a webcam myself and will probably buy a 3rd party accessory. If someone makes a slim enough dock connector accessory to allow basic skype videoconferencing at a reasonable cost I'd probably spring for it.

 

[drjsway]

Your argument makes no mention of DVR. You say if you had watched 24 at home you would have been forced to watch 18 mins of commercials. Excuse me? I don't know a person who doesn't own a DVR. If you don't, that is your prerogative.

Doesn't matter if you actually watch them. Advertisers are still paying for 18 minutes worth of commercials.

Your argument about Hulu blocking access to laptops makes no sense. Maybe the networks didn't want to create Hulu in the first place and essentially were forced to. But if you told someone "yeah, you can't watch Hulu on your laptop" it would be far less popular and therefore far less successful in deterring people from downloading torrents.

The point is, they don't want Hulu being more convenient than television. You can't take your television outside your home. You CAN take your laptop outside your home. So laptops are more convenient than television. So rather than deterring people from downloading torrents, they will lose television viewers.

This isn't my argument. This is fact. I work in the film industry and the networks have said to me directly, "We want to block laptops but don't know how".

 

[skubish]

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Thanks for the insight OP. Unfortunately, without flash the iPad is trash. No hulu, no network video, no facebook games. With flash it's a day one buy but without I will be waiting for rev.

Apple should at least give us the option to turn flash on/off.

 

[drjsway]

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Thanks for the insight OP. Unfortunately, without flash the iPad is trash. No hulu, no network video, no facebook games. With flash it's a day one buy but without I will be waiting for rev.

Apple should at least give us the option to turn flash on/off.

Does anyone bother to read the thread? NO HULU ON IPAD EVEN WITH FLASH!

 

[Night Spring]

Does anyone bother to read the thread? NO HULU ON IPAD EVEN WITH FLASH!

But if networks can't tell a laptop from a desktop, can they tell an iPad from a desktop?

 

[drjsway]

But if networks can't tell a laptop from a desktop, can they tell an iPad from a desktop?

Yes, because it runs on iPhone OS that uses a different version of Safari.

 

[Dammit Cubs]

I do believe it was well thought out but I don't believe this was a project being worked on for severals years as rumors were said to say.

I think they realized what the iphone has become and a light bulb sprung up on the ipad's OS.

 

[Niiro13]

I have a suspicion that AT&T might be why the webcam might be absent beyond whatever technical or cost related issues might have prevented it from being included in this product.

I don't think that a tablet with a webcam would overload AT&T's capacity.

I do think that a tablet with a webcam at $29.99 a month unlimited would essentially mean that a lot of users would no longer need a voice plan. Combined with Google Voice and whatever advantages AT&T had as the exclusive supplier of the iPhone in the US market over the last several years would evaporate just as quickly.

It may also be that Apple thought it was preferable to negotiate a $29.99 unlimited plan with no contract for data services instead of introducing an iPad with a webcam but with a higher price on the data plan.

What people don't realize is that none of the United States networks have video conferencing. That's why stuff like the HTC Touch Pro has a front camera everywhere EXCEPT the US versions.

But I agree, video calls wouldn't overload AT&T's network too much. Put it on a tablet, however, and it might be too much for programs like Skype and stuff, because a ton of people would use it more. (video on data is more common than video through calling I think).

 

[blairh]

Doesn't matter if you actually watch them. Advertisers are still paying for 18 minutes worth of commercials.


The point is, they don't want Hulu being more convenient than television. You can't take your television outside your home. You CAN take your laptop outside your home. So laptops are more convenient than television. So rather than deterring people from downloading torrents, they will lose television viewers.

This isn't my argument. This is fact. I work in the film industry and the networks have said to me directly, "We want to block laptops but don't know how".

Nobody using a DVR watches the commercials of programs they have recorded. I watch more commercials on Hulu vs. DVR content because I'm forced to.

That's too bad that networks don't want people watching television programs on their laptops. The reality is that once you provide content online, you are no longer in control of how consumers will view it. Unless someone creates a way to restrict websites from being accessible on laptops, that will never change.

 

[skubish]

Does anyone bother to read the thread? NO HULU ON IPAD EVEN WITH FLASH!

I read it. I just don't agree with your speculation.

 

[drjsway]

Nobody using a DVR watches the commercials of programs they have recorded. I watch more commercials on Hulu vs. DVR content because I'm forced to.

That's too bad that networks don't want people watching television programs on their laptops. The reality is that once you provide content online, you are no longer in control of how consumers will view it. Unless someone creates a way to restrict websites from being accessible on laptops, that will never change.

Well, as of right now, advertisers are still paying for TV commercials. If one day they wake up and say "Wait a minute. No one's even watching our commercials", then that is the end of television.

The networks are in trouble.

The reality is, we are watching shows that costs millions per episode and the brief ads on Hulu cannot support that.

 

[Hammie]

If i buy music, its the real cd not a DDL.

1982 called, it wants it's technology back.

I agree. CD's are the way to go. I buy CD's and rip them to ALAC.

I also have a collection of SACD's and BD-Audio discs.

My only digital downloads are the free ones from Starbucks and if my son wants something for his iPod.