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Maybe it's just me but HDR shots (especially in this thread) look like shots from a computer game. What with everything in a picture being visible and the contrast.

I gave HDR a go once using Photoshop and my EOS 350D but with no luck. I'll have to give it another go in the morning. Thanks OP!
 

ab2650

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I thought I'd add one of my HDR shots too. Nikon D200, 9 shots handheld at 18mm. Shot overlooking Moonlight beach, Encinitas, CA.
 

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irishgrizzly

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Maybe it's just me but HDR shots (especially in this thread) look like shots from a computer game. What with everything in a picture being visible and the contrast.

I gave HDR a go once using Photoshop and my EOS 350D but with no luck. I'll have to give it another go in the morning. Thanks OP!

Yeah, IMHO I find 99% of HDR shots are ugly – like someone has been pissing about in PS for too long. I find it distracts from any beauty in the original shot. Don't kill me :eek:
 

marclapierre13

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Depends on what your going for, I suppose :eek:

and on the picture.

I think people should **** about debating whether or no HDRs are nice. If you dont like them, move your butt to the daily photo thread. Dont bring your hate here.
Expand you horizons. Thats why i like HDR...its different.
 

Kamera RAWr

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and on the picture.

I think people should **** about debating whether or no HDRs are nice. If you dont like them, move your butt to the daily photo thread. Dont bring your hate here.
Expand you horizons. Thats why i like HDR...its different.

You need to relax, I never said anything about HDR being bad, wrong, ugly or any other negative words. Just sorta stating in my way that in my opinion HDR doesn't always make a photo better. That said, I love HDR. Its very creative and cool, just doesn't work for every photo. Relax :D

Edit: Since the post below me clears things up, I guess I didn't have to say all that :p. Just thought since I was quoted I was being targeted as well ;)
 

marclapierre13

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You need to relax, I never said anything about HDR being bad, wrong, ugly or any other negative words. Just sorta stating in my way that in my opinion HDR doesn't always make a photo better. That said, I love HDR. Its very creative and cool, just doesn't work for every photo. Relax :D

You need to read the rest of the thread. I wasnt targeting that comment at you at all...you werent bashing anything, your comment was completely legit... it does depend on what the person is going for, like apocolyptic, or tropical, warmth, etc. And like I said, it also depends on the original picture (without a decent picture its hard to make it look good no matter what you do)
 

Doylem

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“Like” HDR? “Don’t like” HDR?? Erm, I don’t like or dislike this particular photographic technique... any more than I like or dislike grey grad filters, or polarisers, or any other tool in the photographic box. For some subjects (cityscapes, interiors, sunsets, etc...) HDR is very useful, no doubt about it.

My probem isn’t with HDR... it’s HDR used badly or inappropriately. By ‘badly’, I mean the effect is too strong, too strident, too apocalyptic: as folk have noted, too much like a still from a computer game. By ‘inappropriately’, I mean used on pictures in a way that makes them look worse, not better!

The basic techniques of HDR don’t seem too hard to grasp. The hard bit is creating satisfying pictures that don’t just rely on ‘shock value’. One of the worst uses of HDR is to ‘spice up’ a dull picture, ‘cos it will still just be a dull picture. It would be like bolting fins and spoilers on a Trabant...

I like to see good photographs, with subtlety... not photographs that ‘scream’ HDR. Viewing a few dozen ‘over-cooked’ HDR pictures is like eating a whole box of chocolates; you can end up feeling rather queasy...

In this shot I was trying to keep colour in the sky AND detail in the wooden hull of this boat. I’ll keep experimenting with HDR – when it seems appropriate – but I feel I’ve got a lot to learn. I want pictures to look good... but also as natural as possible. I expect, too, that the software will improve (I use Photomatix), to address some of the drawbacks.


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valdore

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Doylem... excellent post and photo. I agree 100%. HDR adds to the photographer's repertoire. And I really like that photo too; I'd say you're picking up HDR pretty fast...

I kind of feel like throwing these two into the fray for comparison/contrasting reasons --

Both are HDR from a single RAW

Exhibit A - a rather mild and conservative HDR; didn't go wild in the tone mapping process:

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Exhibit B - I went wild and mad with this one; HDR'd and tone mapped the holy hell out of it as much as I possibly could:

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I'm just sayin'...
 

termina3

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Hopefully this won't get me burned at the stake…

Does anyone feel like HDR is a little bit of cheating? I think it's a great effect, and produces some really great results, but IMO if you can't capture the scene in one exposure, using a program to correct for this incapability (usually of the equipment, not the photographer) is just wrong.

My photographic ethics run by what could and couldn't (can and can't) be done in a darkroom–so if there was some way to do HDR in a darkroom, it's photography straight up; otherwise, I think it's stepping away from photography and into modern art.
 

Blue Velvet

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My photographic ethics run by what could and couldn't (can and can't) be done in a darkroom–so if there was some way to do HDR in a darkroom, it's photography straight up; otherwise, I think it's stepping away from photography and into modern art.


There's no reason why you couldn't bracket your negs and trannies and carefully work with your prints in a darkroom in a similar manner using mask, dodging and burning. Time-consuming, fiddly... sure. But possible.

Seems to me that this technique is attempting to compensate for possibly-lower latitudes in digital photography than some of the best film stocks.

But forgive me if I'm wrong, most of my photographic experience is darkroom-based and I haven't bought myself a DSLR yet. Maybe next year.
 

termina3

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There's no reason why you couldn't bracket your negs and trannies and carefully work with your prints in a darkroom in a similar manner using mask, dodging and burning. Time-consuming, fiddly... sure. But possible.

I don't think that would produce the same effect as HDR without hours upon hours of darkroom work and multiple attempts, which is just unreasonable–and doesn't fit my designation of "darkroomable". Oh well, maybe I'm just too much of a stickler.
 

Grimace

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HDR is just like any other post-processing. It takes very specific editing components and goes to town. It is art and an expression of the shooter's creativity.

That said, as the person who floated the idea for this thread, this is NOT the place for debating the merits or HDR. Create your own thread for that. This is for those who have experience shooting and creating this fantastic images -- and for those who are looking to better craft the technique.

The submissions, comments, FAQ links, etc. have all been extraordinarily helpful. Keep up the good work!
 

Doylem

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I've been a film photographer for many years, and a digital photographer for just one. I like shooting what's 'out there', and take pains to shoot it in the 'right' light... whatever 'right' may be for any particular image. Since I'm a landscape photographer, it's God that supplies the lighting. I can only wait around to catch a play of light; I have no other control over it.

But I can't pretend to be any kind of purist. From the first time I picked up a camera, I shot this... rather than that. I walked a few paces to left or right, to create a more harmonious composition. I cropped something out of a picture if it didn't 'fit'.

I cropped further in the darkroom, and waved my hands about under the enlarger lens in an effort to improve my prints. So while I like to think of myself as a'straight' landscape photographer, that's not strictly true. I don't have any objections to HDR on what you might call 'philosophical' grounds. I just wonder if every picture should look like a nuclear bomb has gone off...

For me, it's about being selective: more thought, less 'whizz bang!'... :)
 

JNB

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Some of the debate and positions on the value or "purity" of HDR are interesting, if a bit silly. If the photographer's intended vision resulted in an "art print" or "CGI" look, then so be it. It's photographically-based art. Personally, done well, I think they're gorgeous.

Photography isn't about just attempting to capture a perfectly true representation of what the eye sees, and never has been--it's never been able to to this point, and likely won't ever match the capability of the eye and brain. Getting back to its roots, photography is "light drawing," the means or intermediate steps not being subject to rigid definition. The best modern definition I've seen is, "[SIZE=-1]Visual art created using a camera to initially capture one or more still images that serve as the foundation for the final piece." HDR is that, as much as any other method, in-camera or in post, that doesn't necessarily capture or reproduce the "true" image.

For those who promote an extreme purity of image, who among them has never retouched, adjusted, enhanced, cropped, or otherwise altered, in any manner, the camera's original image? Each of those simple, innocent techniques or tools, destroys the perfection is a little way, doesn't it? The only camera that was completely "pure," in that sense, was the Polaroid.

One's tastes should never be confused with authority, and opinion should never be mistaken for fact.
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carlgo

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Hopefully this won't get me burned at the stake…

Does anyone feel like HDR is a little bit of cheating? I think it's a great effect, and produces some really great results, but IMO if you can't capture the scene in one exposure, using a program to correct for this incapability (usually of the equipment, not the photographer) is just wrong.

My photographic ethics run by what could and couldn't (can and can't) be done in a darkroom–so if there was some way to do HDR in a darkroom, it's photography straight up; otherwise, I think it's stepping away from photography and into modern art.

Back in the day, people did some pretty innovative stuff with papers and chemicals. Over the years different films, papers, chemicals and all were introduced and photographers experimented with them. Some were successful and some weren't. Critics criticized every innovation. And when color became available, well that was considered to be a huge heresy by many traditionalists.

Today, Photoshop and the computerized function of the camera itself is the darkroom. People do all sorts of things with this power, some good and some not. It was always that way and always will be. It doesn't matter that the image came about because of the adherence to 1950's technology or to the latest, it is either good, or it sucks, depending on what you like.

What is art, or not art, is a question that will never be answered. Personally, I have been trying to take an 8X10 HDR contact print of dogs playing poker, but they would rather sniff and run around...
 

klymr

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Here are a few of mine. These first three were learning how to do HDR. This is the very first attempt. I've included the original shot, well, a properly exposed shot as I bracketed these and shot 5 different exposures. The other two are playing around with saturation and strength.
 

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koobcamuk

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Just a couple... still learning (who isn't? ;))
 

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