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Being someone who loves tech, I can say that Apple seems to do something that no one else has done:

You have to have it :drool: .

I was one of the skeptical ones. I was one of the ones who said "A phone? Heck no. Apple is not that stupid. Why would they enter such a highly fragmented market."

I was one of the ones, whom after watching the keynote said ""Well, that's just the RDF kicking in."

I was one of the ones who went to the Apple store a little more than a week after launch to go see what piece of crap all those crazies bought.

And, I am one of the (almost a) million happy iPhone owners.

I was literally blown away. The first "must have" piece of personal tech I owned was my BlackBerry (about 3 years ago). It was cool. It was functional. And at times it made me curse like a sailor.

But, the iPhone is not flawless. My blackberry did email a lot better than it does. I'm not an IM-er and I think GPS on phones is a poorly timed joke. However, the iPhone's screen is almost worth the price of admission. The iPod functions are phenomenal. And everyone who uses mine, wants one. It is no small kind of "want", either.

The kind of want that says "I'm going down and getting one in the near future"

For me, here is the best part: My wife wants one too. But she doesn't need to be cutting edge. "I'll just take yours after you upgrade."

I'm so in love with her.
 
lol,
1x4GB $38, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208086

2x2GB, 2x$16.5=$33 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134445

Grand total would be $391 or $386.

Oh, yeah, also you can do

16GB (4X4G or 8x2G) if you need, or 32GB.

edit, I don't know what this is, but apparently they have a sale, Helio Ocean for $195
http://www.finawireless.com/
You might as well start invoking the name of eBay if you want to go there. I was just pulling prices directly off of the Helio website. Just because people are unloading them and Helio relies on selling through promotions... Doesn't quite move me towards endoess purchasing research when making a basic point on a forum. I'm sure all the eBay speculators that thought supply of iPhones would be low are stinging too. Let's see what that landscape looks like in two months. So not the point though is it? The point is NOT "how low can you bargain hunt a Helio?" its really "Why isn't the Helio Ocean heralded as more of a game changer than the iPhone, and why aren't more iPhone buyers interested?"

~ CB
 
You might as well start invoking the name of eBay if you want to go there.

I don't think Helio produce SD card, does it?

Sure, if you can pull different price for iPhone, please help yourself.

Im obviously not saying Helio Ocean is better than iPhone, but if you want to play price card, then please be professional and realistic.

Finally, please do admit the difference between ebay and newegg, newegg.com is a respected onine retail store, not an auction service.
 
I don't think Helio produce SD card, does it?
Sure, if you can pull different price for iPhone, please help yourself.
If you actually read what I wrote up (not sure why I'm bothering to type this), I was going through the checkout process on Helio's website... you know? The same one the AD I saw lead to? The one that put me on the comparison page in the first place? If you think I'm making random points about value, and how to use Google to look up better pricing... then I'm officially informing you... no... I'm not. There's a magazine called the Want Advertiser where I live... I use it all the time. That's not part of the discussion as I see it.
Im obviously not saying Helio Ocean is better than iPhone, but if you want to play price card, then please be professional and realistic.
Obviously I AM saying the Helio has MORE FEATURES than the iPhone, and I'm leaving it up to people to say what they think is better and why more features might not "win out". You should be "professional" (bucko!) I'll just end with that, as I think you're "scribbling" your argument to the point of simply being contrarian (as opposed to listening and rebutting)... which unfortunately is useless to me. Oh, well.

I'm reminded of the old Monty Python sketch where the guy wants to buy an argument. That always makes me laugh.

~ CB
 
I think its fair to assume most people are shopping around to get best deal rather than hang on the same tree, right?

Its fine apple has only one payment option, as long as users don't care (or they have no choice to care), but that doesn't mean other products' flexibility shouldn't be counted in as advantages, right?

Please laugh as you want, Im just putting myself on a buyer's position. Maybe that is funny, but I guess its better than spending more than necessary.

Professional? We get paid to be here?
for those large piece of posts, people should get paid for sure. :)
 
I've seen this quesion asked a couple of times and the answer seems difficult to come by;

But I found yet another chart.

Here are the size details from it;

Helio ocean:
Size: 4.33 x 2.20 x .86 inches
Wght: 159 grams (5.61 ounces)
Screen: 240 x 320, 260K colors (2.4 sq in)

Apple iPhone
Size: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches
Wght: 135 grams (4.8 ounces)
Screen: 320 by 480 at 160 ppi (3.5 sq in)

edit: And Oh NOES!!!" the Ocean uses a :gasp: proprietary OS! <Insert random OS related question here>
 
definitely agree on the 'wow' and 'must-have' nature of apple products, helio just doesnt quite get there, regardless of how great the device is, Apple has a knack for making their products 'covetable'. Not to mention the power that the apple brand has for future partnerships/new applications, and the fact that Helio is burning through hundreds of millions of dollars (last i heard, they burned through the near $450 million they received initially and had just secured another $200 million) and accounted for 97% of earthlink's Q1 losses. With the recent amp'd disaster, I 'd say their future is less than certain, whereas i'm totally confident that apple will continue to product better and better iPhone related products.
 
I m sure I would be encouraged :D, greatly.


not to dispute other statements you made, as of proprietary OS, iPhone's isn't exactly open neither.

Sorry, but you must have your sarcasm detector turned off.... :rolleyes:

That was my point.

I've read in a few places that the iPhone should be avoided because of OS X's closed environment.

But then, how are new apps place on the Ocean. Is there a SDK or something of the sort?
 
Yikes! That's for sure.

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070507/elnk10-q.html

Maybe palm will buy them so they can lose money even faster.
From the filing:

The increase in overall operating costs and expenses and net losses of HELIO caused overall profits to decrease during the three months ended March 31, 2007 compared to the prior period.

and
We also expect HELIO to incur additional losses in the remainder of 2007 due to the continuing start-up nature of its business. We record our proportionate share of HELIO's losses in our results of operations, so our results of operations in 2007 will also be adversely impacted because of HELIO's losses
 
I think its fair to assume most people are shopping around to get best deal rather than hang on the same tree, right?Its fine apple has only one payment option, as long as users don't care (or they have no choice to care), but that doesn't mean other products' flexibility shouldn't be counted in as advantages, right?
Let's try this. I'm going to AGREE with you. I'm going to say, YES... let's put Helio at an even LESS expensive mark.

If you read the title of this thread, you can see I'm asking about "perceived value". The fact that you can get Helio for even less only serves to underscore my damning question of WHY Apple is being seen as so much more appealing and valuable?

So, just so we're clear... I'm with you, Helio's cheaper. I was never arguing this. The only thing I was saying earlier with price, is attempting to offer a hypothetical argument as to why someone might dismiss it. If even that fails, the question remains... WHY BUY THE IPHONE? Make sense? I'm looking at my apathy towards the Helio Ocean objectively and wondering why companies like Helio make me raise my guard, and why Apple inspires such confidence.
Yikes! That's for sure.
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070507/elnk10-q.html
Maybe palm will buy them so they can lose money even faster.
See, I was pretty sure the economics weren't making any sense. They're really trying to just lock customers in and NOW make money LATER somehow. Sounds "expirimentish". As an MVNO network reseller, I had a distinct feeling they're being screwed on the back-end. Oh, that's a bad metaphor. Sorry.

~ CB
 
But then, how are new apps place on the Ocean. Is there a SDK or something of the sort?

If any of my posts in this topic makes you think Im a Helio expert, I offer my apology.

I'm with you, Helio's cheaper. I was never arguing this.

Thanks. Good to know. iPhone is better than Helio, for what I need. Like I said, I can't imagine myself buying a device w/o wi-fi.
 
If any of my posts in this topic makes you think Im a Helio expert, I offer my apology.

What? Then I am going to have to ask MacRumors to not pay you for those posts then.

It was a generic question of sorts. I could pod around on "teh intraweb" and find the answer but I don't ... what's the word... Oh yeah "care", that much.

:):D
 
See, I was pretty sure the economics weren't making any sense. They're really trying to just lock customers in and NOW make money LATER somehow. Sounds "expirimentish". As an MVNO network reseller, I had a distinct feeling they're being screwed on the back-end. Oh, that's a bad metaphor. Sorry.

My prediction is that Earthlink etc. will turn off the spigot within 2 or 3 quarters... then Helio will announce another round of investment by some 3rd party that is barely into mobile or even a VC firm.

Then it will get even worse as Apple will have a cheaper iphone out soon after that (summer '08) and or a iphone with just the ipod/phone/ and texting.. (for 249$?)
 
My prediction is that Earthlink etc. will turn off the spigot within 2 or 3 quarters... then Helio will announce another round of investment by some 3rd party that is barely into mobile or even a VC firm.

Then it will get even worse as Apple will have a cheaper iphone out soon after that (summer '08) and or a iphone with just the ipod/phone/ and texting.. (for 249$?)
I see their content licensing deals drying up, and possibly less than desireable rates being given to existing customers as their contracts run out, and new customers getting the "good" rates unde the heading "cost of acquisition". If see the "churn" at Helio becoming utterly untenable as their customers are "poached" by offerings from Verizon, their data partner (with newer, focused, more feature packed phones on the same network). As it stands, existing Helio service members appear to have to pay $415 for the device, while its new activations that pay $295.

I think it was a nice idea. Yeah, you hear "post mortem" in my "voice". I don't think Helio has much of a future. If they were truly innovative, maybe... but its the same old phone... just with "more". If this strategy had them on some clear path towards profitability, and the buzz was glorious... that'd be hopeful... but the buzz is just SO MUTED.

Here's something interesting... Digg article:
http://digg.com/hardware/Unboxing_of_the_Helio_Ocean
In the comments at the bottom, two interesting ones:
DO NOT GET A HELIO!! THEY ARE PIRATES!!!! They're "Guarantee" is completely bollocks! I 10000% guarantee that if you aren't quite satisfied with their phone/service you will get absolutely NOTHING back, you will get an endless array of "customer service" sidesquidges, back-bumpers and all-around please-call-back-again-so-we-can-again-tell-you -to-sod-off routine! They'll gladly receive your returned phone (they acknowledge that proudly) and will promptly NEVER give you a refund for said instrument and or attached services of any kind whatsoever.[--SNIP--]
[--SNIP--]I ordered Helio's Ocean and have been using it for about 4 days now and I gotta tell you, its a good phone but there are issues. Hopefully they can tweak the software and fine tune the users experience. The phone has a simple interface UNTILL you use the web browser. It is beyond confusing as to how to get to some of their touted features. The browser needs better forward and back page buttons. It has a back button but needs a forward. The video stream link section forces you to scroll through pages of video clips you are not even interested in just to get to the ones you want. It would be nice if they grouped the videos by show names first and then list each episode. The main web page isn't customizable so you cant just quick pick the sites you use daily. You are forced to save them through a bookmark listing in a menu. Very annoying considering how much clicking it takes to navigate web pages.[--SNIP--]
I Googled "helio ocean refunds", and the Digg article came up first, then this one:
http://www.slashgear.com/helio-ocean-264476.php
In the comments area:
1) The Helio Ocean goes black at random times and just shuts down. This happened to mine the second day I had it. I called them and this is a known problem, even though they don’t tell people.
2) I tried to return it, but their customer service is complete crap. They refuse to take my belt pouch back and give me a refund for it. They want to charge me for the minutes I used on the phone during the two days before I found out that their phone is a piece of crap — oh yea, that’s right, don’t call it a phone, call it a piece of crap.
LOL I just got the Ocean about two weeks ago and it is perfect! The only problem is that it won’t download free videos. I am guessing this is for legal reasons, since I have not seen this phone having problems downloading even relatively large files (let’s say 4000 KB), such as a Youtube video from their Video Viral service or from the Helio Store. Does anyone know for sure why this is?
There are some other more positive comments in there too, and one by user "Tiger168", who has some interesting comments about the iPhone and the politics of where all of this is headed. Also, I liked this comment about Helio's "target market" :) :
Nadia, Helio isn’t going after the GSM market. I agree with Dustin, the Ocean is marketed towards rich kids with more money than god. If you’re going to complain about about the Ocean not working outside of the US, you can pretty much bitch about all the handsets offered by Sprint and Verizon.
I checked out one more review before calling it quits. This one, by Yahoo:
http://tech.yahoo.com/blog/patterson/1442
I jumped to the web browser section, and caught this chilling comment: "Also, the browser struggled to render full HTML pages correctly; it couldn't display the Yahoo! front page at all, and the IMDB front page looked jumbled (Nokia's Web browser breezed through those tests). Still, I'll take the Ocean's browser over almost any other mobile browser out there, including the Sidekick's."

It "struggles" to render HTML??? And that's a *winning* browser? Yikes. Why is this acceptable...? --then the reviewer says "I'll take the Ocean's browser over almost any other mobile browser out there"! Did they change reviewers in mid-paragraph or something? I just jumped to Yahoo on my iPhone and I lost 3 minutes becoming engrossed in the content, forgetting I was testing anything. To be fair... this review was in May, so I checked to see if the same reviewer "Ben Patterson", also tried the iPhone browser. Ah... I see it. His unequivocal statement... "the mobile Safari Web browser puts every other phone browser (including even Nokia's) to shame" in an article titled, "Apple iPhone: Why I Bought One". :rolleyes: It sounds as if he's straddling an iPhone and a Treo at the same time, too. Interesting.

~ CB
 
Whoah.

Your post should be req'd reading for possible helio buyers.

There is a Helio store at my local mall. Kinda sad. Empty all the time....

(oh and i was lined up in front of them all day during i-Day. They passed out Jane magazines and free water or some such... they ALL had a look of resignation to them. I bet a few of them already sent their resume to the apple store a few doors down.)

I know that not everyone is happy with ATT (i'm fine) but one thing to keep in mind is that they are not going anywhere. Something else to keep in mind when choosing a provider.
 
Ask anyone who really loves their iPhone and I would almost guarantee you that there is an emotional almost visceral attachment to it.

Wow - keen observation - visceral - that about covers it for me.
 
I'm getting a helio

I am.
The deciding factor for me was gps because knowing where I am immediately is that important to me.
I like the slide out keypad more than iphone's virtual keypad.
I like iphone's big beautiful screen and its simple double touch zoom interface.
There is no doubt in my mind that either device would have served me well.
I have had a bad history with at&t and was looking forward to switching to verizon, when fate seemed to conspire. I met some people with helio and was informed coverage was very good, and I had the opportunity to look over helio's phones. I personally find both phones aesthetically pleasing, though I have to give the nod again to the iphone. A replaceable battery is an important feature to me that I felt was worth mentioning again here. Helio is trying to capitalize on the, mostly warranted, hype surrounding the iphone. I don't much care for that kind of tactic but I can hardly blame them.

I think both of these devices challenge the market in their own ways. I like the dual slider and I like the touch screen interface. I hope to one day own a device that posses the best of each. But what we see from both these devices is a glimpse of the future that they are unfolding before us. And I for one and excited to see what further development will follow.
 
Nahh.. Since its 500-600 bucks and something like this has not seen before, teenagers, are not the first demo group for this and to me are not the first type of person that comes to mind when i think of the iphone.

In fact the ocean reminds me what a teenager would pull out of their pocket as the sidekick has become very very popular among the teenybopper crowd.

the iphone speaks of people with taste, who want the best, who do not want to settle...
So not true. Pretty much any teenager would want one of these, but money and current provider are the 2 big issues.
 
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