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ignatius345

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As for the docs, files, and photos, it is much more economical---and safer, as well---to store them in a Cloud server. Today, such services are cheap, like $100 per year for 2 TB and more. No need to backup them and worry every time an upgrade is needed. A simple external platter disk of, say, 2 TB can serve as a Time Machine, just in case.
Cloud services are great, but they are NOT backups. They don't preserve versions of files. You can get locked out of them if something happens to your account. They can go offline. And most importantly, if a file gets corrupted and then synced up to iCloud Drive in that corrupted state... well, you're kind of ****ed because you have nothing at all to recover from.

Not having enough storage to host all of your files can make it hard to make full backups of everything you own. If you're just letting your cloud service host all your files and you don't have them all synced locally (as in iCloud Drive's Optimized Storage) your physical backups will have gaping holes where you're "backing up" just empty pointers to files that are not stored on your SSD.

The way I deal with this is to have enough storage plugged into my iMac that I can turn Optimized Storage OFF and run full Time Machine backups of everything.

Another route is to use Carbon Copy Cloner, which has a new feature that enables it to connect to your cloud storage and copy files right onto your backup.

And finally, even setting aside the issue of backup, if you are working with a lot of big files you very well may find yourself downloading the same stuff over and over if your local storage is too small to hold what you need to work on. It can get very tiresome and downright disruptive if you're moving around on a laptop and not connected to good wifi all the time.

Add that all up, and that $200 for extra storage starts to seem not so bad, IMO.
 

bellflyer14

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I was just concerned that 512GB in a couple of years will start feeling like it isn't enough, but I guess with a dedicated SD slot I can bump up the storage for cheap without needing a dongle or something, so that could work.
Easy enough to store some things on a far cheaper external SSD, or the cloud. That $1699 price is pretty sweet. Best Buy actually had it even lower, for $1599 last week for members....now that is a steal
 

Dadcelo

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Easy enough to store some things on a far cheaper external SSD, or the cloud. That $1699 price is pretty sweet. Best Buy actually had it even lower, for $1599 last week for members....now that is a steal

I JUST learned about the member program today, signed up now but def feeling the FOMO. They have an open box one that qualifies for Apple Care+ for $1600, might snag that, but also debating waiting for a price drop once M4 is out.
 
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bellflyer14

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I JUST learned about the member program today, signed up now but def feeling the FOMO now. They have an open box one that qualifies for Apple Care+ for $1600, might snag that, but also debating waiting for a price drop once M4 is out.
That is a good price, basically what the $1599 price was last week. I wouldn't fear missing out. If you are now a member you get extended 60 day returns on products, including MacBooks. If Best Buy puts it on sale lower in that 60 days(assuming M4 drops in that time period) they will price match. Go snatch it up
 

Dadcelo

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That is a good price, basically what the $1599 price was last week. I wouldn't fear missing out. If you are now a member you get extended 60 day returns on products, including MacBooks. If Best Buy puts it on sale lower in that 60 days(assuming M4 drops in that time period) they will price match. Go snatch it up
Good to know, thanks!
 

Allen_Wentz

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Hi everyone,

My 2018 MBP is running slower and slower and I think it's finally time to upgrade.

I'm leaning between these two options and wondering your thoughts.

Option 1: NEW M2 MacBook Air - 16GB - 1TB SSD - ~U$1,500
Option 2: NEW M2 Pro MacBook Pro - 16GB - 1TB SSD - ~U$1,600
Option 2: REFURB M3 MacBook Pro - 16GB - 1TB SSD - ~U$1,700

I lean more towards the Air and the M3 Pro simply for the darker color, but it isn't a deal breaker (in the case of the M2 Pro).

Thoughts?
What chips Base/Pro/Max? If all three choices are the Pro chips the Refurb M3 is the clear winner. However any Base chip IMO loses. Refurbs are a fine way to go.

Like others said, if you do not absolutely need to buy right away you really should wait and see what all happens as M4s are released.
 
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TechnoMonk

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If you can wait couple of months, look at what’s announced, and older models will see a price drop and can score good deals. I personally would wait.
 

Dadcelo

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Thanks everyone, I'll def wait a little until we have more info on what's coming with M4 before I fully commit. Might try out an M3 Pro next month and see how I feel, return if I don't like it.
 
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dolphin2421

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I bought the 14" MBP M3 Pro and I am delighted with it. My 16" 2019 Intel MBP finally died so I couldn't wait for the M4. I traded in my 13" M2 MBA, which I absolutely loved. Was really concerned about the additional weight of the MBP and that it's not as svelte as the air - went back and forth for weeks trying to decide. Ultimately for me it came down to the dramatically better screen, the additional ports and the ability to do video editing and photo editing without a worry that I'd hit a performance ceiling. I have watched lots of YouTube reviews comparing the M2 & M3 chips and their performance gains. It's kind of interesting that Apple chose to reduce the memory bandwidth on the M3's - which some reviewers found had a performance impact - especially when mixing large number of audio tracks. Of course I'm bummed that there's a newer chip around the corner, but the M3 is a complete joy to use and a massive upgrade from my Intel machine. Night and day. I will be interested to hear what you decide.
 

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I bought the 14" MBP M3 Pro and I am delighted with it. My 16" 2019 Intel MBP finally died so I couldn't wait for the M4. I traded in my 13" M2 MBA, which I absolutely loved. Was really concerned about the additional weight of the MBP and that it's not as svelte as the air - went back and forth for weeks trying to decide. Ultimately for me it came down to the dramatically better screen, the additional ports and the ability to do video editing and photo editing without a worry that I'd hit a performance ceiling. I have watched lots of YouTube reviews comparing the M2 & M3 chips and their performance gains. It's kind of interesting that Apple chose to reduce the memory bandwidth on the M3's - which some reviewers found had a performance impact - especially when mixing large number of audio tracks. Of course I'm bummed that there's a newer chip around the corner, but the M3 is a complete joy to use and a massive upgrade from my Intel machine. Night and day. I will be interested to hear what you decide.
You sound like me right now! I have been obsessively watching videos and reading articles just in case I missed something, but this is a once a decade purchase for me so I want to get it right. I think right now, by far the biggest contender is the 14" MBP M3 Pro for all the same reasons you mentioned. Heard the speakers are better too.
 
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Melbourne Park

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I do, but I think for my needs the M2 Pro or M3 Pro will do me just fine. And precisely because the M4 is coming soon, there are some great deals on "older" machines, and for the price I think not getting the newest and greatest will do me just fine. As long as the M3 Pro gets me 8 years of updates, run fine and the price is right I think it should work.


That's what I feared. I like how small and light it is, but I would not compromise longterm performance for that.

That's a good point. I do have 2TB of iCloud, but I rarely think of it as my main storage space, not sure why either. I guess the idea of having those files somewhere "physical" somehow feels safer.

Also, $100 a yr for 2TB is a lot more than $100 for 2TB for life (for an SD or external drive). But you make very valid points.

Def will be going with 512GB and trying to use the SD slot and cloud to my advantage. I currently use a 5TB external HD for Time Machine and everything else.

The SD slot's claimed maximum is I think 300 MB/s, but reports say expect 5 to 10 MB/s. an external SSD thunderbolt 3 drive will get you 2,000. That's from 7 to 400 times faster. I would not go the SD card route. A minimum for the long term is 1 TB IMO. Really, 2 TB guarantees long use. And reduce Apple's expensive 2 TB icloud to a smaller amount. That will pay for the drive capacity quick smart, and give you long term use. Don't forget RAM too, as shortage results in caching the drive, which shortens the internal SSD's life, which is serious with Apple as the internal drive is not meant to replaced.
 
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Allen_Wentz

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I bought the 14" MBP M3 Pro and I am delighted with it. My 16" 2019 Intel MBP finally died so I couldn't wait for the M4. I traded in my 13" M2 MBA, which I absolutely loved. Was really concerned about the additional weight of the MBP and that it's not as svelte as the air - went back and forth for weeks trying to decide. Ultimately for me it came down to the dramatically better screen, the additional ports and the ability to do video editing and photo editing without a worry that I'd hit a performance ceiling. I have watched lots of YouTube reviews comparing the M2 & M3 chips and their performance gains. It's kind of interesting that Apple chose to reduce the memory bandwidth on the M3's - which some reviewers found had a performance impact - especially when mixing large number of audio tracks. Of course I'm bummed that there's a newer chip around the corner, but the M3 is a complete joy to use and a massive upgrade from my Intel machine. Night and day. I will be interested to hear what you decide.
Do not be "bummed that there's a newer chip around the corner." This is tech, so there is always a newer chip around the corner. Just be happy that your M3 is a complete joy to use and a massive upgrade from your Intel machine.

P.S. My M2 is a complete joy to use and a massive upgrade from my Intel machine. I look forward to M4 for curiosity reasons. The M2 MBP will easily last me through M5 and probably beyond.
 
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Dadcelo

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The SD slot's claimed maximum is I think 300 MB/s, but reports say expect 5 to 10 MB/s. an external SSD thunderbolt 3 drive will get you 2,000. That's from 7 to 400 times faster. I would not go the SD card route. A minimum for the long term is 1 TB IMO. Really, 2 TB guarantees long use. And reduce Apple's expensive 2 TB icloud to a smaller amount. That will pay for the drive capacity quick smart, and give you long term use. Don't forget RAM too, as shortage results in caching the drive, which shortens the internal SSD's life, which is serious with Apple as the internal drive is not meant to replaced.
Thanks for this, good info to know. I wouldn't be using the SD as my main memory runner so I think the slower speeds shouldn't be much of an issue. But def something to keep in mind. 18GB of RAM should be plenty, me thinks.
 
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Dadcelo

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Do not be "bummed that there's a newer chip around the corner." This is tech, so there is always a newer chip around the corner. Just be happy that your M3 is a complete joy to use and a massive upgrade from your Intel machine.

P.S. My M2 is a complete joy to use and a massive upgrade from my Intel machine. I look forward to M4 for curiosity reasons. The M2 MBP will easily last through M5 and probably beyond.
Yeah, can't stop progress. I'm sure coming from my 13" 2018 8GB/258GB i5 Intel MBP, the M2 or M3 will already feel like a massive step forward.
 
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Dadcelo

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So I jumped the gun and got the M3 Pro 14” with 18GB/512gb for $1699 at Best Buy plus they took in my 2018 MacBook Pro for $367, so it ended up costing me $1,332 for that amazing machine, can’t wait to get home and enjoy it! Thank you all for the suggestions, I really appreciate it. Let me know if there’s anything I should learn about the new toy that you’ve discovered.
 

HDFan

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Cloud services are great, but they are NOT backups. They don't preserve versions of files.

Depends on the service. There are inexpensive backup Cloud services you can use to implement the recommended 3-2-1 backup strategy.
 

mcpix

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Easy enough to store some things on a far cheaper external SSD, or the cloud. That $1699 price is pretty sweet. Best Buy actually had it even lower, for $1599 last week for members....now that is a steal
That's what I did last week. I know the M4s are around the corner, but $400 off was too good to pass up. One other thing to consider is also trading in your old computer at Best Buy. Normally, trade-ins aren't a great deal, but Best Buy offered me $510 on my 2020 MacBook Pro with 256GB HD and 8GB of ram. That was over $100 more than I could get on eBay. So, $1,599-$510 plus another $500 in Best Buy gift cards made the deal a no-brainer.
 
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Dadcelo

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So been 48 hours basically since I picked up my new MBP.

It's a bit heavier than I expected, but it is stunning. Happy to have as many ports as I now do, goodbye dongles! Also saw that there's a price drop on the same exact machine at Best Buy and got them to Price Match it for me, so an extra $200 saved, bringing my cost to around $1,130 for this MBP 14" M3 Pro 18GB/512GB!!! (after trade-in and discounts)

One issue I am having is INSANELY slow speeds reading/writing files on my External HD (5TB). Like, much slower and laggier than my 2018 MBP. Even Time Machine is taking ages. Is it something I'm doing wrong? It's not just the transfer speed which is bad, but I cannot watch a video (even short one) without lag and choppiness. Not exaggerating (I took a video of it), when pressing the space bar to preview a video, it took 67 seconds for the video to start (441MB file). The issue isn't the external HD as I did not have this issue at all on my previous computer.

Wonder if I just have a buggy machine and should exchange it.

Otherwise no other issues, runs great even with dozens of Chrome tabs open and when reading files from the internal SSD it runs like butter. But cannot ignore the external HD issue.
 
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bellflyer14

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Also saw that there's a price drop on the same exact machine at Best Buy and got them to Price Match it for me, so an extra $200 saved, bringing my cost to around $1,130 for this MBP 14" M3 Pro 18GB/512GB!!! (after trade-in and discounts)
Yeah that $1499 price tag is super tempting. Probably the lowest that model will ever go NIB
 
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MacBookPro88

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So been 48 hours basically since I picked up my new MBP.

It's a bit heavier than I expected, but it is stunning. Happy to have as many ports as I now do, goodbye dongles! Also saw that there's a price drop on the same exact machine at Best Buy and got them to Price Match it for me, so an extra $200 saved, bringing my cost to around $1,130 for this MBP 14" M3 Pro 18GB/512GB!!! (after trade-in and discounts)

One issue I am having is INSANELY slow speeds reading/writing files on my External HD (5TB). Like, much slower and laggier than my 2018 MBP. Even Time Machine is taking ages. Is it something I'm doing wrong? It's not just the transfer speed which is bad, but I cannot watch a video (even short one) without lag and choppiness. Not exaggerating (I took a video of it), when pressing the space bar to preview a video, it took 67 seconds for the video to start (441MB file). The issue isn't the external HD as I did not have this issue at all on my previous computer.

Wonder if I just have a buggy machine and should exchange it.

Otherwise no other issues, runs great even with dozens of Chrome tabs open and when reading files from the internal SSD it runs like butter. But cannot ignore the external HD issue.

yeah, I just picked up the same one for $1499!
 

Dadcelo

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What enclosure? What disk? What interface? What are Blackmagic results?
Sorry I'm not super techy when it comes to this stuff so bare with me.

It's an old cheap Toshiba 4TB* External HD, this one I believe: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Toshiba-...al-Hard-Drive-4TB-Blue-HDTC940XL3CA/571803433

It's just so much slower than it was on my Intel i5 to preview/open/edit files that are not on the board. I don't know much else to tell you. Not doing anything out of the normal, was just testing out the new toy here with some movies and boy was it laborious.

I have an SSD on the way to replace that, so I wasn't expecting amazing performance. But for some reason it is just super slow.

This seems to be the same problem I am having
 
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Dadcelo

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Decided to return my new one and ordered an Open Box - Excellent instead for $1,413. Saved an extra $90 and it looks literally new, came with the parchment paper and cable/charger unused and qualifies for Apple Care. Add my trade in of $367 and my final price for the 14” MacBook Pro M3 Pro 18GB/512GB was an amazing $1,046!!!
 

Plutonius

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Hi everyone,

My 2018 MBP is running slower and slower and I think it's finally time to upgrade.

I'm leaning between these two options and wondering your thoughts.

Option 1: NEW M2 MacBook Air - 16GB - 1TB SSD - ~U$1,500
Option 2: NEW M2 Pro MacBook Pro - 16GB - 1TB SSD - ~U$1,600
Option 2: REFURB M3 MacBook Pro - 16GB - 1TB SSD - ~U$1,700

I lean more towards the Air and the M3 Pro simply for the darker color, but it isn't a deal breaker (in the case of the M2 Pro).

Thoughts?

I always buy Apple refurbs and have never had any issues. As far as the options, I believe that it's worth spending the extra $200 .
 

specialstyle

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Sorry, should have added more info on the OP.

Mostly used as my main driver. I used it for graphic design and video editing for work, but not exclusively on it.

I'm looking more for long term reliability, something that would get me at the very least as long as my current MBP has (so going on 7 yrs). If my work demands change might need some additional power I didn't expect before, so a little flexibility on "power" would be nice.
If using for editing / graphics, anything like that you can do any of those units. Of course it depends how much rendering you're doing, and how heavy it is -- but obviously it'll be a sliding scale of performance as you go up the chain. I like to keep my machines for a very very long time, so I always lean towards getting the better machine, with the understanding that I'm going to run it into the ground for the next 5-10 years. ;-)
 
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