The audio jack allows me to charge a phone while running a presentation with audio. The loss of the audio jack is a deal breaker for me.
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Here's What a Headphone Jack to Lightning Adapter Looks Like
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Here's a reality check: There are thousand different headphones on the market competing with each other. The competition keeps prices low, quality high, and gives us lots of different products for different purposes. I don't want to use headphones with a f***ing adapter. No way. I have two sets of headphones that would be expensive and pointless to replace. What's worst, instead of a product that is aimed at the general market, keeping the price low, the same product with a lightning connector means the manufacturers see you as a mark to be ripped off. The guy has an iPhone, he doesn't mind to pay three times as much.
Look at hard drives. There is this company LaCie making Mac hard drives. The are Mac compatible, that's why they cost twice as much. What about other hard drives? They are _all_ Mac compatible. You can't buy a hard drive that isn't Mac compatible. And yet there are these ripoffs because you have a Mac, so you must have more money than sense.
HobeSoundDarryl
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Correct, iPhone 7 can't work as a phone if it doesn't keep a DAC inside. THIS solution is just a redundant one. Now you have a DAC inside and another DAC outside. The spin is that this means better quality but the cheap adapters may not have a better DAC than the one inside. As I've posted in other threads, if this change is about delivering better quality audio, it seems the best option would have been to put any of these better quality DACs and AMP inside the phone. Of course, that might have added a few nickels to the cost of each unit, so that's a stupid idea. It's much better to embrace the redundancy and have us consumers pay up for variations of the very same technology OUTSIDE of the iPhone.
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This is one of those things that my knee jerk reaction is to complain, but they've surprised me dozens of times before. So I look forward to it... reluctantly
apple should have done this years ago, especially before their competition heated up.
replacing the headphone jack now is risky AF
apple is right in doing this, though - that jack is ancient technology and holding back progress in how sound is delivered to the ears. with a multi-pin solution, much more can be done - noise reduction microphones, dual microphones, multichannel sound, etc etc etc
replacing the headphone jack now is risky AF
apple is right in doing this, though - that jack is ancient technology and holding back progress in how sound is delivered to the ears. with a multi-pin solution, much more can be done - noise reduction microphones, dual microphones, multichannel sound, etc etc etc
Working out is one of those places that most people are willing to sacrifice audio quality for convenience of wireless. especially since in most gym's or workout places, there's a lot of ambient noise anyways.
But what about people who listen at work? or at home? there aren't really any decent affordable wireless headsets that come close to the sound quality of wired. at least not until you start getting into severla hundred dollars in cost. Nevermind the fact that many of us listen to music on other devices besides just our phones. our laptops, our stereo systems, computer system, etc. all using the 3.5mm audio port.
So while like usual, results may vary, when you consider that the 3.5mm oprt is so prolific that most people have multiple headsets using this port, and many people have extremely nice audio quality headsets that would be basically rendered obsolete because of the plug on the other end of the cable (and not an actual technilogical reason) it makes the change a hard pill to swallow by a lot of people.
I'm not against change just to be against it. But Apple needs to be able to showcase to me that dropping the port will have some tangible benefit to us. Apple will need to demonstrate that this is a GOOD thing, and that they had to do it in order to accomplish something.
if they drop the plug, and the only reason they give us is to make it 1mm thinner? than it's change for change sakes, and I dont buy it
I haven't used a headphone jack on an iPhone for years.
it's pretty obvious what Apple is doing with the iP7 - they are making it waterproof.
it's pretty obvious what Apple is doing with the iP7 - they are making it waterproof.
Same here. I find it extremely shortsighted from Apple to remove the jack. In matter of fact, Apple products have very good quality internal DAC's. Removing the jack makes no sense what so ever. I have heard the waterproof argument. However, if Samsung and Sony can make waterproof phone with 3.5mm jack then Apple should be able to do the same.
This would still be theoretically Possible with an adapter.
In no way I'm I advocating it, just saying that it could be done.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Water only enters round holes... not the larger rectangular hole just mm away from the round hole?
And Apple competitors have rolled out products with 3.5mm that are waterproof. Apple can't do what competitors can do?
So I actually do own a set of Bowers & Wilkins speakers that I use for at home listening. I also own several pairs of Bose noise cancelling headphones that are wired. Personally, I never use my phone for those. I usually stream either from my amps or laptop. since we're talking about sound quality now, lets remember that the drivers inside your iPhone aren't so great that you would only lose sound quality by not being hard wired in. And also, I don't really think that every headphones the world would become obsolete. People that enjoy listening to music and actually take pride in their equipment don't use their iPhone to really get the best sound quality they can.
Firewire -> used by sony in vaios and most higher-end camcorders. look for iLink
TB -> it's in a bunch of PC motherboards now.
TB -> it's in a bunch of PC motherboards now.
Sounds like you'll be opting out of the next iPhone
Whether it be the 7 or the 8 doesn't really matter because this is going to eventually happen regardless of how long Apple delays it.
Isn't that exactly what the adapter is made for? Also, I've seen quite a few presentation systems considering my line of work is to consult on them, and the expectation that you can present with your phone is pretty out there...and in cases where it's not, a cheap AppleTV is a better way to go.
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When every phone in existence has removed it, will you still say it makes no sense whatsoever? Sony's answer to waterproofing the jack is a rubber stopper.
Same here. I am totally looking forward to ditching this primitive port.
And hats off to you sir. It's always refreshing to read someone stand up with a positive post in this toxic hell of negativity that is become of this site.
How does that make any sense? You want the adapter to end in a female port so you can plug in your 3.5 mm jack into it.
There will be a pass through connector for charging and 3.5mm audio. Apple's own dock already does exactly that: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/ML8J2AM/A/iphone-lightning-dock-silver
Why would they do that? They are removing the headphone jack . You want opposite of what you posted .
I think they will do a remote attachment
I believe it'll still have to go through a DAC; we hear in analog, not digital. Or are you saying the Lightning plug contains a DAC?
Correct, iPhone 7 can't work as a phone if it doesn't keep a DAC inside. THIS solution is just a redundant one. Now you have a DAC inside and another DAC outside. The spin is that this means better quality but the cheap adapters may not have a better DAC than the one inside. As I've posted in other threads, if this change is about delivering better quality audio, it seems the best option would have been to put any of these better quality DACs and AMP inside the phone. Of course, that might have added a few nickels to the cost of each unit, so that's a stupid idea. It's much better to embrace the redundancy and have us consumers pay up for variations of the very same technology OUTSIDE of the iPhone.
Its even worse, in repeated blind A/B test something over 90% can't hear the difference with an even the best external DAC, this is at lossless recording and especially so with lossy streaming music and an internal one but worse still I'm not sure any external DAC permit the mic to function. So not only won't it improve the phone nor reduce internal components but a fairly significant amount iPhone usage as a phone for many is via headphone/earbuds.
I'll prepare for the inevitable audio jack removal. But if it's on the next year's iPhone as well, at least that thing looks to shape up to be a completely new iPhone.
This? This is just a copy and paste of the two past iPhones with no significant changes.
This? This is just a copy and paste of the two past iPhones with no significant changes.
Apple's $20-30 lightning, 30-pin cords and power cables from brick to device are so unreliable that getting a year's use is luck, or severe TLC!
Now they want us to trust the lightning adapter, when they couldn't make the 2.5 mm audio jack work!
No matter their "space" saving claims, there will be a DAC in every iPhone, or iDevice!,
Wonder if majority of Apple users want even thinner iPhones - then shroud them with ugly cases to prevent slippage and damage!
Now they want us to trust the lightning adapter, when they couldn't make the 2.5 mm audio jack work!
No matter their "space" saving claims, there will be a DAC in every iPhone, or iDevice!,
Wonder if majority of Apple users want even thinner iPhones - then shroud them with ugly cases to prevent slippage and damage!
When every phone in existence has the jack removed then there will be wireless standard capable of delivering reliable and good quality audio (current BT revision is not there yet). Until there is such wireless standard Apple should keep the jack. Regarding Sony, some of them have rubber stoppers and some of them don't. Regarding Samsung S7, no flaps and still waterproof.