It defeats the point of the MBA, just like claiming all netbooks need an i3 or greater
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It defeats the point of the MBA, just like claiming all netbooks need an i3 or greater
Not another 2 GB vs. 4 GB thread...
People like the $999 price point, and the 11.6" base model is very popular - the only model that Apple cannot keep it stocked enough to ship out in 24 hrs. So, I have to disagree with the OP - Apple made the right choice of balancing the price point and specs. And again, 2 GB is fine, not a moment I found my MBA sluggish.
People like the $999 price point, and the 11.6" base model is very popular - the only model that Apple cannot keep it stocked enough to ship out in 24 hrs. So, I have to disagree with the OP - Apple made the right choice of balancing the price point and specs. And again, 2 GB is fine, not a moment I found my MBA sluggish.
I agree that when you factor in the remarkably fast flash storage in the new MBAs, 2GB of RAM is probably ample for all but the most resource hungry applications. I bought a 13 inch 2.14Ghz MBA with 4 GB of RAM hoping, but not really knowing, that it could satisfactorily handle Windows 7 in Fusion's Unity mode, running in tandem with several OS X apps.osx isnt windows, it runs great on 2gb especially with flash storage have you read the reviews? The new MBA's are fast with a 1.4 intel core duo and 2gb of ram. Apple has shown specs are not everything at least in laptops battery life is more important to most people then 8gb of ram and an i7 quad core processor
As it turns out, my MBA handles all those apps with aplomb and gives me as much speed and stability as I enjoyed running the same apps on an MBP with 6GB of RAM. I have accumulated nearly a half million Page Outs since I last rebooted, a little over 30 hours ago. So what, though? Flash storage makes them unnoticeable. I suspect that even 2GB of RAM might have done a creditable job, too.
Has anybody tired to run Windows in a Fusion virtual machine in Unity mode on a new MBA with only 2GB or RAM? I would love to hear a report about how such a combination works.
Well - what is the point of the MBA exactly?
... perhaps an ultraportable laptop that sacrifices performance for portability and long(er) battery life?
What fascinates me is the overwhelming amount of negative thinking amongst those who have replied to this thread. The emotion and the negative slang, is also very revealing of those who wrote it. This is simply a discussion people, why get so up in arms?
The number of people who justify, and defend Apple as though they are the know all and be all. When indeed, this thread was _not_ created with negative thinking... but rather to point out a missed opportunity. At no time was it said that 2GB was an insufficient amount of ram. At no time was any aspect of these two new models criticized. And yet by the responses, some of you made it out to be an attack on Apple or Apples income stream. Some people are defending Apple like they own the company.. very interesting indeed. Talk about being emotionally attached.
The _positive_ nature of the this threads title seems to have escaped many. It suggests that Apple could have sold even more, and thus made more money in a shorter period of time.
As of this writing there have been 93 replys, and 5,014 views of the thread entitled "2GB vs. 4GB Dilemma". http://goo.gl/c77j
That's a lot of attention paid to something as simple as the default amount of RAM. I would bet that if 4GB was standard, many would not have hesitated to order, instead of debating and wondering as they have.
Very interesting.
The number of people who justify, and defend Apple as though they are the know all and be all. When indeed, this thread was _not_ created with negative thinking... but rather to point out a missed opportunity. At no time was it said that 2GB was an insufficient amount of ram. At no time was any aspect of these two new models criticized. And yet by the responses, some of you made it out to be an attack on Apple or Apples income stream. Some people are defending Apple like they own the company.. very interesting indeed. Talk about being emotionally attached.
The _positive_ nature of the this threads title seems to have escaped many. It suggests that Apple could have sold even more, and thus made more money in a shorter period of time.
As of this writing there have been 93 replys, and 5,014 views of the thread entitled "2GB vs. 4GB Dilemma". http://goo.gl/c77j
That's a lot of attention paid to something as simple as the default amount of RAM. I would bet that if 4GB was standard, many would not have hesitated to order, instead of debating and wondering as they have.
Very interesting.
Well - what is the point of the MBA exactly?
If you have to ask, you should probably skip buying one. I don't say that to be rude, but it is very clear to some of us why the MBA is a great machine that helps us with our daily workloads.
Portability
Weight
Just two of the "points" of the MBA.
Not:
CPU power
GPU power
Ram
HDD/SSD space
Battery life
Screen size
These would be bonuses after the primary reason to purchasing an ultra portable laptop.
Form does matter over function in this line of laptops.
Well, I suggest you made up these claims to suit your preferences.
Apple's job is to provide things people want to buy, and they are successful as demonstrated by people buying those things. They don't (and shouldn't) care about how many hours a few people spend talking about 2GB vs. 4GB or how many Internet forum threads they make (really?).
I'm thinking it's not very many people, certainly not enough to warrant a change in the lineup, since it would change Apple's pricing strategies and thus affect sales and profits far beyond Apple's ability to recoup the cost of materials.
Or perhaps even more! When you pull numbers out of thin air, you can do all kinds of things with them. Do you know what happens to the price of something when demand goes up? I wonder what happens to the price of memory when demand doubles. . .
"measly 2GB . . . is a travesty. . . had Apple done the right thing . . . so bloody greedy . . . and then . . . At no time was any aspect of these two new models criticized. . . . Talk about being emotionally attached"
Supported by what? No evidence or market analysis, that's for sure. You just made stuff up. Very interesting. Mmm, yes, very very interesting indeed.
You can't be serious. Apple releases amazing stuff all the time and half the threads are gripes that it's not better: 'The 11.6" is too small; the 11.6" is too big; I can't render 3D on this; why isn't there a 17" version; bla bla bla netbook; there's no SD slot; there's no serial port' ad infinitum.
The premise of the thread ...if Apple had doubled the RAM, sales would have been double ...is debatable. What would you expect the responses to be from those who don't agree? Chances are, if you thought everyone would agree, you wouldn't have started a new thread with this topic. I'm all for more RAM and cheaper prices. In this case, I don't think it's necessary, as I expect MacBook Airs will be hard to come by as the holidays draw closer. I think Apple already has a winner.
Double RAM = Double sales wouldn't be necessarily true.. Don't think there are many who are not buying because they have to pay $100 extra for the 4G. Remember the Air is a niche line. Those buying Airs are willing to pay extra for its form factor, light weight.. Etc.
On the other hand, offering 4G standard is gonna create another bunch of whiners..
1) why no option to upgrade to 6G, 8G??
2) why can't I have 2G and save me a couple of bucks.. Jobs is a greedy man!!
In other words.. You can't make everyone happy.. Let's assume the air was priced at $999 with 4G standard.. There's still gonna be a 'Apple could've a 2G at $899 and sales would've doubled' thread..
Enjoys your machines...
On the other hand, offering 4G standard is gonna create another bunch of whiners..
1) why no option to upgrade to 6G, 8G??
2) why can't I have 2G and save me a couple of bucks.. Jobs is a greedy man!!
In other words.. You can't make everyone happy.. Let's assume the air was priced at $999 with 4G standard.. There's still gonna be a 'Apple could've a 2G at $899 and sales would've doubled' thread..
Enjoys your machines...
And you just failed Commodity Economics 101. You build a machine for the needs of the current market, not the future market. When Lion comes, out there will be a new wave of Mac with more cores and more RAM.
Considering how long you had your Mac and how much money you have and how much you want to impress your girlfriends, you can drop $250 to upgrade your current Macs to make it work with Lion or buy new Macs.
The beat goes on.
If Apple tried to give me a machine with a glossy screen, no backlit keyboard, no FW800, and only 2 GB, I sure as heck would complain.
Well - what is the point of the MBA exactly?
My personal theory is that an MBA is a regurgitation of the business methods of the patrons of the school they are attending. Thus you are educated in a philosophy that also complements these college patrons portfolios. Anything else is rhetoric.
I agree with you, but, it isn't that simple. Apple and other companies go to great lengths to create different pricing tiers. I never liked this kind of marketing department irrationality, but, there it is,
Why not?
Want something longer.... here you go
http://www.llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogochuchaf.org.uk/
(Interestingly, I noticed that by default, even this forum automatically shortens the URL above by quite a bit)
Do people seriously believe that Apple didn't think about this?
I guarantee you that there is a powerpoint (or Keynote) slide in Apple HQ that calculates the expected profit gains as a result of making the base config 2 GB and the expected sales loss as a result of making the 4 GB a $100 option.
It's obvious that the former is larger than the latter, and Apple decided to do it because the believed it would make them more money in the long run. Or maybe they did it because they didn't have the back of an envelope to carry out the calculation on and just felt like being greedy.
I guarantee you that there is a powerpoint (or Keynote) slide in Apple HQ that calculates the expected profit gains as a result of making the base config 2 GB and the expected sales loss as a result of making the 4 GB a $100 option.
It's obvious that the former is larger than the latter, and Apple decided to do it because the believed it would make them more money in the long run. Or maybe they did it because they didn't have the back of an envelope to carry out the calculation on and just felt like being greedy.
That is not true there are loads of computer with 2GB(800MHz). A friend of mine just bought a Toshiba Satellite with a Celeron and 2GB for less than £400.
Add a ULV C2D.
Add a high resolution screen.
Add an nVidia 320m.
Add an unibody aluminium case.
Add an high bandwidth SSD.
Glass trackpad.
Half the weight.
Smaller footprint.
...I think the MBA is a good value for money.
You still have the concept of RAM and CPU speed of pre 2000.
You still think the with the rule the more the better, times have changed.
RAM have higher bandwidth with Double Data Rate.
CPU have different architecture than single core Pentiums.
2GB are fine for most of people, sometimes 4GB would be recommend for some task that, anyway, the MBA hasn't been made for.
I bet Lion would have the same requirements of Snow Leopard. OSes are becaming lighter not heavier.
Price point is important, and some people would not care about 2GB extra for $100, same for the .20GHz extra. Is nice to have the option, that is it.
PS: you want to double their sale? have you been familiar with Apple revenue?
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I would think it would add another step, as you have to copy the long link, go to the "link shortening place", paste the long link, press a button, copy the short link and insert it here, while you could just copy the long link and insert it here and save four steps.
Want something longer.... here you go
http://www.llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogochuchaf.org.uk/
(Interestingly, I noticed that by default, even this forum automatically shortens the URL above by quite a bit)
The forum does shorten the display of the link, but the link isn't shortened.
I just think, as a courtesy to the members, it would be nice to see, where a link goes to, as one can see the domain the site is stored on, even if the display of the link is shortened.
Example:
http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&...G=Search&cx=011016119145480959114:kuv1aq0hily
is actually
Code:
[plain]http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=pub-0384375415523482&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fmroogle.*************%3BCX%3AMRoogle%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fmroogle.*************%2FMRoogleSmall.gif%3BLH%3A56%3BLP%3A1%3BVLC%3A%23551A8B%3BDIV%3A%23CCCCCC%3B&as_qdr=all&adkw=AELymgU9Pjs-d7ibOc6qZ0Iw6NhY6eQ1dn_aa4m8tF6oJo1GMIHvSLhNopVzjMeVS1-WguxZj73yhTl1A247JRKalqoUcaDdi9Ghqnsg6J0Hmi9fflNKiXSZCtgqlIARiRZkYxuAwf1PO7NjAAd_Cb1VJhGVx1peQw&channel=5884338270&boostcse=0&q=short+links+site%3Aforums.macrumors.com&btnG=Search&cx=011016119145480959114%3Akuv1aq0hily[/plain]I have seen lots of threads in lots of places in which posters criticized others for not shortening the URLs in their links but the post criticizing you for not making it longer was a first. It seems to me that the only test a link has to pass is that clicking on it actually get you to the site described. In any event, the Insert Link icon in the post dialog box shortens links automatically. Perhaps the poster who criticized you should try the Insert Link utility some time, he might learn something.Why not?
Want something longer.... here you go
http://www.llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogochuchaf.org.uk/
(Interestingly, I noticed that by default, even this forum automatically shortens the URL above by quite a bit)
I was just curious why the use for shortened links, as the boards I frequent - not to the excess as MR though - frown upon shortened links.
There is a better way to tell readers of one's posts what a link contains than making them rely on the arcane contents of the link itself. Those who use the Insert Link utility with their post need only describe what they are linking to in their text, select that text, click the Insert Link icon, and paste the link into the dialog box. Voila! That way the poster explicitly describes what the link will say to the reader and the reader does not have to try to figure out where the link leads only from a URL. That's the best way to do it, it seems to me.- yeah, I never use that.
I was just curious why the use for shortened links, as the boards I frequent - not to the excess as MR though - frown upon shortened links.
crazy statement, imo. Apple has over 50 Billion CASH in the bank, they have some of the highest profit margins in the industry ... companies ARE too greedy.