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Yes... We Apple users are NOT windows users, so shouldn't be treated the same
We care about specs as well, just not as "up front, we have to have it now" type as non-Apple people are. Its easy to laugh at the other side.
Apple lacks specs but makes up for it in performance... How many problems do u have with Android phones ?? now how many do u have with iPhone? Sometimes doing less is better in the end.
Current Apple implementations leaves us with very few choices and with every product iteration loose faith in their future.
Squeezing more money out the customer with subpar hardware and highly crippled software which lacks functionality from the previous versions is no longer an excellent customer experience.
Just to list a few:
AirPort Extreme AC limited to 1.3Gbps, where is the next gen? Rumors: Apple Enfineers no longer working on it, product line may be adandoned.
Apple Music and iTunes Match/in the Cloud: no longer possible to play genius playlists without having Sri enabled and forcibly asking her to create one for you. Price is still the same. Forcing and pushing customers to have a crappy music playing experience to pay for their Music subscription service.
iPhone: current Home button never works as you expect it, haptic feedback is somewhere else.
Dongles: almost every product you buy in the last 3 years needs a dongle to be useful.
Like when Siri starts doing things while your talking with someone because it thinks you said "hey Siri"? Or when for some reason the home button is acting strange? Maybe when your music stops playing in the car because the iPhone took a dump on itself for no reason? Perhaps you mean the many times the App Store has become nonresponsive since the last update? It must be the times when the weather app says a tornado for 5 minutes or simply can't figure out what state I am in. Yes! Flawless experience.
Squeezing more money, is just some hyperbole. Apple is not forcing you spend money with them, if you believe the hardware is subpar and the software crippled. Additionally I don't have any issues with the home button or haptic feedback and, personally, the dongles don't bother me.
So some one-off examples out of tens of millions of late model devices support a generalization? You must be an unlucky person to have all of these issues. I pretty much have a flawless experience, but that is my anecdotal experience. However, I can speak for my wife, kids, family, friends etc..
I can only agree.
- iPhone is still stuck in 2013. Already then, Android phones had Full-HD displays and 2GB RAM. It's just shameful how Apple still only offers a 1334x750 resolution display, in a phone with huge bezels and a three year old design. Sure, the Plus series solves some of my issues, but not all of us wants a brick in our pocket. The OLED iPhone will HAVE TO turn things around.
- The desktop Mac line has been at a standstill (IMO of course) for the last couple of years. Mac Mini 2014 is slower than the 2012 equivalent in most ways. The iMac got the benefit of a Retina Display, sure, but it has looked the same since 2009 now and even the 27" model at nearly €2000 comes standard with a spinning drive. In 2017! As for the Mac Pro - let's not even go there.
The notebook Mac line has, for me, taken a turn in the completely wrong direction. The 2012 > 2015 MacBook Pro's were probably the best all-round laptop one could ask for. Great performance, every single port you could ask for, and still relatively light. The MacBook Air struck the perfect balance between usability, performance and portability. I think all we ever asked for was a Retina Display. Apple's answer was the 12" MacBook. Something we never wanted in the first place. It's simply too much of a compromise to replace the MacBook Air. I think the same can be said of the new MacBook Pro's for Pro users. What's worse is the very evident lack of quality control for the new laptops. Batteries degrading quickly and keyboards failing within the first 6 months.
It's not like the competition is at a standstill either, Microsoft has really impressed me lately (had a play around with the Surface Studio - WOW), and I can't wait to see how the new Galaxy S8 will work in desktop mode.
While the competition realizes that the way forward is to have fewer devices, which can all do more (e.g. Surface Pro, Lenovo Yoga, new Galaxy S8 apparently with its new dock), Apple still refuses to get with the times. Instead, they are trying to come up with the most ridiculous ideas to superficially trying to defend each product's place in the lineup, rather than giving us what we ask for - Touch Bar quickly comes to mind.
- So, you have an iPhone, but would like Portrait mode and dual cameras? Just buy the 7 Plus.
- So, you have an iPhone Plus, but would like Split Screen multitasking? Well, just buy an iPad.
- So, you have an iPad, but want a file manager? Well, buy a MacBook.
- So, you have a MacBook, but want touch input? Well, buy an iPad.
- So, you have a MacBook, but want proper ports? Well GTFO of our Apple Store and buy a Windows-PC.
Joking aside, I have been voting with my wallet and will continue to do so until Apple actually releases something worth upgrading to.
- iPhone is still stuck in 2013. Already then, Android phones had Full-HD displays and 2GB RAM. It's just shameful how Apple still only offers a 1334x750 resolution display, in a phone with huge bezels and a three year old design. Sure, the Plus series solves some of my issues, but not all of us wants a brick in our pocket. The OLED iPhone will HAVE TO turn things around.
- The desktop Mac line has been at a standstill (IMO of course) for the last couple of years. Mac Mini 2014 is slower than the 2012 equivalent in most ways. The iMac got the benefit of a Retina Display, sure, but it has looked the same since 2009 now and even the 27" model at nearly €2000 comes standard with a spinning drive. In 2017! As for the Mac Pro - let's not even go there.
The notebook Mac line has, for me, taken a turn in the completely wrong direction. The 2012 > 2015 MacBook Pro's were probably the best all-round laptop one could ask for. Great performance, every single port you could ask for, and still relatively light. The MacBook Air struck the perfect balance between usability, performance and portability. I think all we ever asked for was a Retina Display. Apple's answer was the 12" MacBook. Something we never wanted in the first place. It's simply too much of a compromise to replace the MacBook Air. I think the same can be said of the new MacBook Pro's for Pro users. What's worse is the very evident lack of quality control for the new laptops. Batteries degrading quickly and keyboards failing within the first 6 months.
It's not like the competition is at a standstill either, Microsoft has really impressed me lately (had a play around with the Surface Studio - WOW), and I can't wait to see how the new Galaxy S8 will work in desktop mode.
While the competition realizes that the way forward is to have fewer devices, which can all do more (e.g. Surface Pro, Lenovo Yoga, new Galaxy S8 apparently with its new dock), Apple still refuses to get with the times. Instead, they are trying to come up with the most ridiculous ideas to superficially trying to defend each product's place in the lineup, rather than giving us what we ask for - Touch Bar quickly comes to mind.
- So, you have an iPhone, but would like Portrait mode and dual cameras? Just buy the 7 Plus.
- So, you have an iPhone Plus, but would like Split Screen multitasking? Well, just buy an iPad.
- So, you have an iPad, but want a file manager? Well, buy a MacBook.
- So, you have a MacBook, but want touch input? Well, buy an iPad.
- So, you have a MacBook, but want proper ports? Well GTFO of our Apple Store and buy a Windows-PC.
Joking aside, I have been voting with my wallet and will continue to do so until Apple actually releases something worth upgrading to.
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Hi all,
I've been thinking about the health of Apple recently. While it is true that it is currently making more profits than anytime in its history, I can't help but think that it has lost the "magic" that truly made it special.
Is Apple perhaps dying a slow death? The Apple of yesteryear is forever gone.
Take a look at this article:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-16611040
richmlow
I've been thinking about the health of Apple recently. While it is true that it is currently making more profits than anytime in its history, I can't help but think that it has lost the "magic" that truly made it special.
Is Apple perhaps dying a slow death? The Apple of yesteryear is forever gone.
Take a look at this article:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-16611040
richmlow
That Apple changed has little to do with the article premise of a company living forever.
I'm a firm believer if the unfathomable can happen to one company it can happen to any company.
I'm a firm believer if the unfathomable can happen to one company it can happen to any company.
I can only agree.
- iPhone is still stuck in 2013. Already then, Android phones had Full-HD displays and 2GB RAM. It's just shameful how Apple still only offers a 1334x750 resolution display, in a phone with huge bezels and a three year old design. Sure, the Plus series solves some of my issues, but not all of us wants a brick in our pocket. The OLED iPhone will HAVE TO turn things around.
- The desktop Mac line has been at a standstill (IMO of course) for the last couple of years. Mac Mini 2014 is slower than the 2012 equivalent in most ways. The iMac got the benefit of a Retina Display, sure, but it has looked the same since 2009 now and even the 27" model at nearly €2000 comes standard with a spinning drive. In 2017! As for the Mac Pro - let's not even go there.
The notebook Mac line has, for me, taken a turn in the completely wrong direction. The 2012 > 2015 MacBook Pro's were probably the best all-round laptop one could ask for. Great performance, every single port you could ask for, and still relatively light. The MacBook Air struck the perfect balance between usability, performance and portability. I think all we ever asked for was a Retina Display. Apple's answer was the 12" MacBook. Something we never wanted in the first place. It's simply too much of a compromise to replace the MacBook Air. I think the same can be said of the new MacBook Pro's for Pro users. What's worse is the very evident lack of quality control for the new laptops. Batteries degrading quickly and keyboards failing within the first 6 months.
It's not like the competition is at a standstill either, Microsoft has really impressed me lately (had a play around with the Surface Studio - WOW), and I can't wait to see how the new Galaxy S8 will work in desktop mode.
While the competition realizes that the way forward is to have fewer devices, which can all do more (e.g. Surface Pro, Lenovo Yoga, new Galaxy S8 apparently with its new dock), Apple still refuses to get with the times. Instead, they are trying to come up with the most ridiculous ideas to superficially trying to defend each product's place in the lineup, rather than giving us what we ask for - Touch Bar quickly comes to mind.
- So, you have an iPhone, but would like Portrait mode and dual cameras? Just buy the 7 Plus.
- So, you have an iPhone Plus, but would like Split Screen multitasking? Well, just buy an iPad.
- So, you have an iPad, but want a file manager? Well, buy a MacBook.
- So, you have a MacBook, but want touch input? Well, buy an iPad.
- So, you have a MacBook, but want proper ports? Well GTFO of our Apple Store and buy a Windows-PC.
Joking aside, I have been voting with my wallet and will continue to do so until Apple actually releases something worth upgrading to.
Couldn't agree more. Samsung has the best display on the planet. Samsung has the best design on the planet. Androids have had NFC Wireless charging and iris scanners.
What's great about iPhone ? Only iOS . Hardware is lacklustre compared to the competition. Although they are catching up now with the iPhone Edition. Too bad its unaffordable.
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"Apple people"? What is this, 2005?
This sort of thinking will be the death of Apple. Instead do what you did in 2008/2009. Make excellent products, not based on some marketing managers desperate attempt to validate the value of their involvement, but based on straightforward user experience testing, without complicating product ranges to trick buyers into certain categories. "Give the people what they want, and they will pay for it." This is Apple for me, or used to be.
MBP is a very loud piece of equipment, now with an added ridiculous, useless and totally gimmicky "touch bar" that seems to have entirely stopped in development. (could have been an add-on equipment for those few users who want this). Other brands, like Lenovo etc., that may have many shortcomings, don't fry my lap or sound like a jet engine, or shorten the battery life with new models. And I don't care about why Apple needs to be allowed to be warm or loud, or how I am using the MBP incorrectly. Apple used to mean that it works. Period.
It does not matter if you have latest spec parts in your product if it is not good. Apple can do great products even with old parts as software, design, ecosystem etc. are in place. It is also cheaper and more profitable to use old parts
So Apple may be behind in latest spec parts, but not on other areas.
So Apple may be behind in latest spec parts, but not on other areas.
I think that you and some others in this thread are looking too much at a certain set of specs when comparing the iPhone to the competition.
Take battery life. My iPhone 7 gets me through a whole day with 1960mAh, but now that the smaller S8 has 'only' 3000mAh, people are afraid battery life will be bad like with the S6. That's the efficiency of the iPhone hardware and software.
I've seen the Samsung keynote just now and they mentioned how their S8 has hardware and software that would work great together. That's something that Apple has had from the start and Android manufactures have always been struggling with.
Take benchmarks; I believe both the 6S and 7 were faster than the S7 despite the differences on paper. The S7 has more cores, more RAM, more everything, but apperantly that's not the whole story.
On paper, Apple is behind. It's true for many things, sure! I'm just trying to say that they're not behind on everything and that it's not all crap.
I wouldn't buy the S8 right away, I'd wait to see how it performs in the real world. Too many risks. The iPhone is just a phone that's reliable, you know it doesn't do everything but it does what it does it just right.
Just my opinion.
The S8 and S8 Plus will almost certainly be slower than the iPhone 7 but that's something which is irrelevant in normal use. My Air 2 is waaay slower than the 7 Plus but when I use it it doesn't bother me.. At this point Apple is just overpowering their phones with no software or apps to take advantage of all that power.
By the way Samsung has said the battery degrades less compared to the S7 Edge so no doubt it will have the same battery life.The display is the king of that package.Just look how that design makes Apple look like a behemoth from the 90s
Even tech sites are reporting on how Apple is now playing catch up with Samsung on design
https://www.recode.net/2017/3/29/15108352/samsung-galaxy-s8-apple-iphone-8-design
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But it’s worth noting that Apple — home of industrial-design legend Jony Ive, creator of unbelievably thin and elegant devices — will again look like it’s playing catch-up to a smartphone-design trend.
Last time this happened, it was when Apple was a year or two late to the broader concept of bigger-sized phones, waiting until 2014 to ship the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, which caught up to the larger screen sizes that most Android phones featured.
This seems like less of a problem. Missing the boat on bigger phones suggested Apple wasn’t paying attention to what many of its current and would-be customers wanted, and that it was missing where the idea of a pocket computer was going. Apple caught up — the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus were huge sellers — but it was noticeably behind the trend. This looks more like a release-timing issue, especially if Apple ships something similar this year. (If it doesn’t, that’s more concerning.)"
http://bgr.com/2017/03/29/samsung-galaxy-s8-release-date-announcement-hands-on/
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Galaxy S8 and Galaxy S8+ hands-on: Samsung finally out-designed Apple’s iPhone"
As far as hardware and software go Apple is ahead in that area no doubt but the gap is closing now considering that some Androids I have used match the iPhone in user experience. Don't forget about the issue of iPhones slowing down every year with Apple's updates. On Android I can downgrade my phone if I don't like an update
The S8 and S8 Plus will almost certainly be slower than the iPhone 7 but that's something which is irrelevant in normal use. My Air 2 is waaay slower than the 7 Plus but when I use it it doesn't bother me.. At this point Apple is just overpowering their phones with no software or apps to take advantage of all that power.
By the way Samsung has said the battery degrades less compared to the S7 Edge so no doubt it will have the same battery life.The display is the king of that package.Just look how that design makes Apple look like a behemoth from the 90s
Even tech sites are reporting on how Apple is now playing catch up with Samsung on design
https://www.recode.net/2017/3/29/15108352/samsung-galaxy-s8-apple-iphone-8-design
"
But it’s worth noting that Apple — home of industrial-design legend Jony Ive, creator of unbelievably thin and elegant devices — will again look like it’s playing catch-up to a smartphone-design trend.
Last time this happened, it was when Apple was a year or two late to the broader concept of bigger-sized phones, waiting until 2014 to ship the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, which caught up to the larger screen sizes that most Android phones featured.
This seems like less of a problem. Missing the boat on bigger phones suggested Apple wasn’t paying attention to what many of its current and would-be customers wanted, and that it was missing where the idea of a pocket computer was going. Apple caught up — the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus were huge sellers — but it was noticeably behind the trend. This looks more like a release-timing issue, especially if Apple ships something similar this year. (If it doesn’t, that’s more concerning.)"
http://bgr.com/2017/03/29/samsung-galaxy-s8-release-date-announcement-hands-on/
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Galaxy S8 and Galaxy S8+ hands-on: Samsung finally out-designed Apple’s iPhone"
As far as hardware and software go Apple is ahead in that area no doubt but the gap is closing now considering that some Androids I have used match the iPhone in user experience. Don't forget about the issue of iPhones slowing down every year with Apple's updates. On Android I can downgrade my phone if I don't like an update
Sure, we have got to hand it to Samsung for being so clever to invest early in curved screens, although they didn't know it was going to be this big a deal back then.
Samsung shows off curved phone prototype using flexible display
January 2013
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/9/3855638/samsung-shows-off-curved-oled-phone-prototype
It was curved on one side of the phone and was used to show notifications for example. Now it has become a way of almost eliminating side bezels which is a much better use of it.
The top and bottom bezels are also thin like on the LG G6 and that's something that people have wanted from the iPhone for years.
I never liked the design of the iPhone 6 and especially 6 Plus which to me feel like a huge compromise; wanting to incorporate a large screen, but be making the phone too big to hold comfortably. I've had the 6, 6 Plus, 6S Plus and now I have the 7.
Apple was pushed by Samsung (and thus the market) to make big screen phones, but maybe they weren't ready for it yet. I am quite sure whatever they are working on will correct that and be something of both the iPhone 5 and iPhone 6 worlds. I remember Apple being the only one still making phones that fit your hand and it was a great selling point.
I'm just not at all sold on Samsung yelling that they reinvented the phone like the flip-phone or iPhone did, that's just too much praise however cool the S8 looks (from the front only btw).
I want to try out the S8 and S8+ because I'm not sure I like the form factor size-wise, but its hard to see without holding them. Right now, I'm happy with my iPhone 7 sleek and seamless Jet Black design. Wouldn't really want to go back to a larger phone.
The screen of the smallest S8 comes as high as the screen of the 7 Plus which for me is not reachable in one handed use. I'd rather see Apple take this opportunity and make something smaller.
BTW iPhone slowing down every year is not as bad as not getting the big updates IMO. HTC has had a bad history of this for example. An iPhone 5 from 2012 still runs the newest version, the HTC One X got its last update 4 years ago to Android 4.2 (from 4.0). That doesn't seem compelling to me. And I remember something about Samsung S6 phones in particular having a habit of slowing down within a year... But hey, on the other hand; the iPhone 5 has also gotten fairly slow. It's 5 years old.
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Hi all!
Here is an interesting article on the current state of Apple. It is a long read but it will be worth your while. I think that the author's analysis is spot-on.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/03/05/editorial-the-future-of-apples-macintosh
richmlow
Here is an interesting article on the current state of Apple. It is a long read but it will be worth your while. I think that the author's analysis is spot-on.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/03/05/editorial-the-future-of-apples-macintosh
richmlow
I have to disagree with some his points.
What the author ignored is that Apple kept introducing new annual updates to the MBP, its design/features dated back from 2012, but apple did not stop releasing newer models that were thinner, faster used newer keyboards etc.
Take the MBP out of the equation and look at the Mac Pro or Mac Mini and you see two models that have not been touched in years, in the Mac Pro's case you certainly can make a case that there could have been significant updates to the Mac Pro in that 3 year window. For the Mini, they hamstrung the latest release and have since ignored it.
I understand the author makes a point on the Mac Pro and stating Apple mis-understood the market on that model, and I'll not disagree, but I'm taking the position that the author makes a point that holding back new releases, is a smart move.
I don't know what's going on with Apple's Mac line, but I'm not a happy customer about it. I own a Mac Mini (2009 model), and there's no way I'm going to buy a new one. I have an iMac and its a great machine, don't get me wrong, but that might be the last Mac desktop I buy.
I can't see spending nearly 3k on a laptop, but who knows, maybe I can save up my gift cards I get as Christmas presents and the pain will be less then paying 3k outright
@maflynn
I hear where you're coming from!
I also am not very happy about Apple's treatment of the Mac Pro and Mini lines. In all honesty, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if both of these lines are discontinued by Apple in the very near future. Despite the rhetoric of Tim Cook and company, their actions speak louder than words.
I've actually prepared myself for migrating over to the "dark side" in the near future.
richmlow
I hear where you're coming from!
I also am not very happy about Apple's treatment of the Mac Pro and Mini lines. In all honesty, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if both of these lines are discontinued by Apple in the very near future. Despite the rhetoric of Tim Cook and company, their actions speak louder than words.
I've actually prepared myself for migrating over to the "dark side" in the near future.
richmlow
Each piece of tech Apple produces is "behind" but most people don't just buy a single piece of Apple tech they buy multiples pieces and those pieces integrate well and that makes them ahead.