People have been getting butthurt about Apple's naming conventions for decades. Marketing folks are just doing what marketing folks do.
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How can Apple sell a Mac with 8GB of RAM in 2023 and call it "Pro"
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Go ahead, share that industry definition with the class, cite your sources.
It’s branding, pure and simple.
There's no such thing as a "pro machine". It's a naming convention that a lot of industries have latched onto because it sounds fancy and it makes users feel special. Professional needs come in all shapes and sizes, so no matter where you set your baseline, it's going to be insufficient for some pro needs. So why do we all use it? Because it's easier than listing off every spec of the machine as a differentiator.
The only reason people get hung up on Pro and not any of the other names is that they like to think of themselves as a pro. Why not get mad at them using Max for a chip that is not the "Maximum" config they make? Why not get made at the meaningless and inconsistent ways they use Air or Ultra or any of the other names? It's all just a way to refer to things. If you're being tricked by the concept of naming, you have bigger problems.
I don’t know why kind of rhetorical gotcha you’re aiming at here, but I’ve been crystal clear in Apple’s stated audience for the device. THEY literally spoon-fed their “vision” for the use case of each of these devices, in video no less!
Why are you hung up on what it’s called? What injustice in an already nonsense culture that marketing is today is happening here.
This to me is like complaining about the “classic” Coke branding, who actually has the energy to be upset about this in an industry (marketing/pr) that is all nonsense to begin with?
You like the machine, you buy it. If you’re really strategizing your purchase of a personal computer, you’re already in the realm of actually looking at the specs. At which point, gives a damn about the label on it when to you, it’s just “my computer”?
You conflate critique of Apple’s naming choices with emotional reactions and then expand that misjudgment by applying it to every facet of Apple’s marketing.
I just bought a Mac Mini 24gb for $1400.
I really wanted 32gb, but that was $1900 -- not a good value IMO.
And Apple only supports the machine for 6 years.
I really wanted 32gb, but that was $1900 -- not a good value IMO.
And Apple only supports the machine for 6 years.
Pro machines should start with 32 GB ram minimum. You cant change my mind
In other words, I made a good point and you can't really argue it so you're just going to comment on how I made it instead.
Apple has never defined "pro." It is simply a sales moniker. Apple isn't forcing any of you to buy the base model. The real problem here is you and many others seem to expect apple to absorb the cost of RAM by making the base 16GB of RAM, because so many people on MR seem to think nobody should be using 8GB of RAM, even though millions do each day and year without problems. And why is that? It is because customers from all over the world have different computing wants and needs. That is why there are different models packages, just like with cars.
As I have said before, there is no such thing as "pro" work on the computer. And for many here to act like there is is plain wrong.
Your subjective argument holds no water.
The "Pro" stands for profit. They're being honest.
Apple used to call their computers that power users bought "PowerMac or PowerBook", I still like that better than "Pro".
No. You insinuate that people are upset at Apple’s naming choice for one machine because they’ve said it’s misleading, and then assume wrongly that should also apply to every product naming choice. None of those assumptions are true.
When new the base M1Air was $600 less than the base M3Pro, and the 8/512 M1Air was only $350 less than the 8/512 M3Pro.
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The laptops were always called PowerBooks, even before the PowerPC chip.
Pick whatever word you want, you have an issue with this name in particular. Correct?
For whatever reason (and let's be honest, it's the reason I mentioned) you only have an issue with this name and not the many others that are equally meaningless or "misleading".
Please, explain:
1. Why is it only "Pro" that you seem to take issue with then?
2. Why do you think there's some industry-wide standard for how a "pro" machine should be specced? Hint: there isn't, but you're welcome to provide evidence to the contrary.
Because, from what you've expressed so far, it really seems like you're just [disgruntled/unhappy/pick whatever work you think reflects your displeasure best] because you think "Pro" should mean some undefined minimum config that lives in your head and you will not share, rather than understanding that, just like every other product name in Apple's lineup, it doesn't actually mean anything concrete. It's just a name, and you're choosing to read too much into it rather than just look at the specs and decide if it will do what you want it to or not.
Really interested to see your answers to 1 and 2 above.
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And a Surface Pro is?
I can’t even use the top of the line surface. And if you want to talk about price those are absurd.
To be fair, I don't think that's true. I think people want to say they think Macs should be cheaper but for some reason can't just say that, so they try to create some sort of morality play around naming, or "standards", or deception, or upselling... It makes people feel justified in their whinging if they fabricate some sort of epistemological framework they can graft to their otherwise emotional complaints.
It's simply not a morality play. There's no higher power to appeal to here. It's all written on the tin. If you want a 16GB Mac, it's available. Arguing that fewer angels can dance on a 8GB system is amusing, but has no logical basis.
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OP would rather the $1,599 option not even exist, because it’s making them hyperventilate.
The controversy over this is so comical.
I agree with you to a certain extent. I have a base air for my sales job which is just spreadsheets and emails. it does it all fine but I check activity monitor I have daily swaps and yellow memory pressure for my basic tasks.
I want to keep a machine for 10 years and I don’t think 8 gig will last 10 years.