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I purposely went with a third-party password manager for this very reason. I wanted to be cross platform. It's the same reason I wouldn't use Google's chrome password management. I wanted the flexibility of using my passwords on any device/browser/OS. Not have to be concerned with porting my passwords as I have almost 400.

Apple allowed 3rd party password managers to integrate in iOS so I wasn't losing any functionality going that route.

I also realized when I considered iCloud Keychain for passwords that they might have a security model that would make it harder to simply export them all at once. Me personally, I'm all for more security of passwords which might give less flexibility which I believe is why Apple requires an Apple device to obtain them.

My passwords are one of the most important thing of my digital life, it just stood to reason that using iCloud Keychain or Google to do that was counter-intuitive to having the most flexibility on where to use them.

I use both 3rd party and keychain. It’s pretty easy to keep them in sync as keychain automatically asks if you want to store or update a password when a new one is added/changed.
 
I use both 3rd party and keychain. It’s pretty easy to keep them in sync as keychain automatically asks if you want to store or update a password when a new one is added/changed.

I tried that for a bit but was just easier for me to rely on the one password manager, but yeah it's possible to do that as well.
 
I tried that for a bit but was just easier for me to rely on the one password manager, but yeah it's possible to do that as well.

Even when you use a 3rd party password manager to populate the username/password, keychain will ask if you want to add/update.
 
Even when you use a 3rd party password manager to populate the username/password, keychain will ask if you want to add/update.

I unchecked the iCloud option in the autofill section of the password settings so it no longer does that for me.

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anyone with an apple device, email and password can access your passwords. I cant see the part where access from apple device only would make any difference.
I am more or less stuck half way around the world in Vietnam far away from my homecountry and my homecountry simcard is set on hold since I would not need it while traveling (so i thought) Many things are digital today, medicine app, doctors app, travel insurrance app, bank, payment service, travel apps and so on and so on.
access if and when I need them will potentially be a problem
 
I unchecked the iCloud option in the autofill section of the password settings so it no longer does that for me.

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It works even when you do that. My default is Enpass but keychain will prompt to add/update.

Sorry I misunderstood, I have Enpass AND iCloud Keychain selected. That’s why mine will work that way and yours doesn’t.
 
It works even when you do that. My default is Enpass but keychain will prompt to add/update.

That's strange it does for you. It does not do that for me. iCloud Keychain will never prompt me to add a password. I was just setting up 1password for my son's phone and with both checked it did do as you describe, but as soon as I unchecked iCloud Keychain, his phone stopped prompting to add/update to iCloud Keychain when he entered a password.
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anyone with an apple device, email and password can access your passwords. I cant see the part where access from apple device only would make any difference.
I am more or less stuck half way around the world in Vietnam far away from my homecountry and my homecountry simcard is set on hold since I would not need it while traveling (so i thought) Many things are digital today, medicine app, doctors app, travel insurrance app, bank, payment service, travel apps and so on and so on.
access if and when I need them will potentially be a problem

Yeah, I can see the frustration in your situation. But not anyone with a random Apple device, email and password can just obtain someones passwords if you use 2 factor authentication on your Apple ID.
 
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Even when you use a 3rd party password manager to populate the username/password, keychain will ask if you want to add/update.
Honestly I do not know when and how I bite the bait for keychain it just happened. The name is Icloud Keychain so I never expected that I would be in a situation where I could not get access to my passwords.. I honestly thought I could logon to icloud from any browser and access them. If it was a question of money I do pay about 10$ for icloud each month
 
Honestly I do not know when and how I bite the bait for keychain it just happened. The name is Icloud Keychain so I never expected that I would be in a situation where I could not get access to my passwords.. I honestly thought I could logon to icloud from any browser and access them. If it was a question of money I do pay about 10$ for icloud each month

No the passwords are encrytped on device and can only be unencrypted by another Apple device. Hence you can’t get at them without an Apple device.
 
No the passwords are encrytped on device and can only be unencrypted by another Apple device. Hence you can’t get at them without an Apple device.
It still does not make sense to me.
All I know is I feel sure about moving to another OS now more than ever ....that standing up and pulling up my pants was the right thing ....I can feel apples dry elbow irritating my sphincter 😊 any deeper I would be a puppet
 
It still does not make sense to me.
All I know is I feel sure about moving to another OS now more than ever ....that standing up and pulling up my pants was the right thing ....I can feel apples dry elbow irritating my sphincter 😊

Great! Hopefully you won’t live to regret the move at a later date.
 
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Any mechanism that allows YOU to export passwords will potentially allow a hacker to export your passwords.

really? Once someone is in the vault itself, it’s game over. The fact you can or cannot export from that vault doesn’t make it anymore or any less safe.

I purposely went with a third-party password manager for this very reason. I wanted to be cross platform. It's the same reason I wouldn't use Google's chrome password management. I wanted the flexibility of using my passwords on any device/browser/OS. Not have to be concerned with porting my passwords as I have almost 400.

Apple allowed 3rd party password managers to integrate in iOS so I wasn't losing any functionality going that route.

I also realized when I considered iCloud Keychain for passwords that they might have a security model that would make it harder to simply export them all at once. Me personally, I'm all for more security of passwords which might give less flexibility which I believe is why Apple requires an Apple device to obtain them.

My passwords are one of the most important thing of my digital life, it just stood to reason that using iCloud Keychain or Google to do that was counter-intuitive to having the most flexibility on where to use them.
3rd party for password are the way to go IMO. More freedoms, cross platforms, can export from them and import into another one if you want to switch brands, and more. I’m also finding I like to use cross platform stuff more and more so I’m not tied down to just 1 platform, and I can switch easily if I want.
 
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really? Once someone is in the vault itself, it’s game over. The fact you can or cannot export from that vault doesn’t make it anymore or any less safe.


3rd party for password are the way to go IMO. More freedoms, cross platforms, can export from them and import into another one if you want to switch brands, and more. I’m also finding I like to use cross platform stuff more and more so I’m not tied down to just 1 platform, and I can switch easily if I want.

Im the same mostly but as yet I haven’t found another platform worth switching to!
 
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At this point you're probably better off forgetting about your saved passwords. Start doing password resets on the services you use most; once you have those done you'll have to do an occasional password reset when you use something you haven't in a while. It shouldn't be that big a deal after dealing with the stuff you use most often.
 
Im the same mostly but as yet I haven’t found another platform worth switching to!
I use so many different ones now, it’s great to use a 3rd party password manager. I‘m not loyal to any platform. As much as I dislike Windows, I just dislike Apple less 😂. I’ve been toying with a Linux for a while now too.
 
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I've not read every post, so this may have been said and/or discounted already but ...

If you know your Apple-ID details, borrow someone's Macbook, get them to create a new user for you, then log in and use that to log in to your iCloud and export the keychain to a file. Then log out of your iCloud and have them trash the userid.
 
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