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HDFan

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As for missing out on security updates, the dangers posed by not updating (very small, IMO) are outweighed by the benefits of keeping the device running trouble-free and smooth.

I would, but The iPad gets weird and some apps do not function after updates, and these updates never concern what I do on the ipad. Thanx tho

It's not safe to ignore updates

He probably has a few important 32-bit apps that he does not want to lose access for a reason.

The bottom line is that you can ignore updates, but the longer you go the riskier it becomes. It is not just a security thing. If you share things with other Apple devices, if they get updated but not your iPad the shared features may fail. You mentioned that you wasted 15 minutes trying to fix airdrop. That is a drop in the bucket compared to fixing windows issues, or isolating incompatible device issues due to IOS or MacOS version incompatibilities. These kinds of things can take hours. The more you get out of a "standard" configuration the more difficult it is to isolate and fix problems, and the more time it is going to take to fix them. When you call Apple Support with a problem, they usually will make sure that you are running the latest version before they do anything, since it has the latest bug fixes.

The reality is that eventually you will have to update, whether you like it or not. When you replace the iPad with a new version it will likely not work with earlier versions of the software. Or you install the latest MacOS on your MacMini to get a new feature, and it breaks Airdrop to your iPhone. Rather than having many major issues upgrading to a version 2 releases away, attending to these issues as new releases are made means you can fix things in small bites, not a huge gulp.
 
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Shirasaki

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The bottom line is that you can ignore updates, but the longer you go the riskier it becomes. It is not just a security thing. If you share things with other Apple devices, if they get updated but not your iPad the shared features may fail. You mentioned that you wasted 15 minutes trying to fix airdrop. That is a drop in the bucket compared to fixing windows issues, or isolating incompatible device issues due to IOS or MacOS version incompatibilities. These kinds of things can take hours. The more you get out of a "standard" configuration the more difficult it is to isolate and fix problems, and the more time it is going to take to fix them. When you call Apple Support with a problem, they usually will make sure that you are running the latest version before they do anything, since it has the latest bug fixes.

The reality is that eventually you will have to update, whether you like it or not. When you replace the iPad with a new version it will likely not work with earlier versions of the software. Or you install the latest MacOS on your MacMini to get a new feature, and it breaks Airdrop to your iPhone. Rather than having many major issues upgrading to a version 2 releases away, attending to these issues as new releases are made means you can fix things in small bites, not a huge gulp.
Nice analysis. But same happens when software is updated. No one knows how Apple fixes those issues. Applies a band-aid solution or roots out the true culprit? Both are possible. Why people love a specific version of software? Because that version is proven that it gets the job done, nice and clean. Same cannot be said for a newer version. Ever heard of disastrous iOS 11? After so many updates, still plenty of problems. For me, I would love Apple to do major improvements to Bluetooth so my headphone can function properly.
iOS 12 is going to the right direction, but for how far no one knows.
 
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FeliApple

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The bottom line is that you can ignore updates, but the longer you go the riskier it becomes. It is not just a security thing. If you share things with other Apple devices, if they get updated but not your iPad the shared features may fail. You mentioned that you wasted 15 minutes trying to fix airdrop. That is a drop in the bucket compared to fixing windows issues, or isolating incompatible device issues due to IOS or MacOS version incompatibilities. These kinds of things can take hours. The more you get out of a "standard" configuration the more difficult it is to isolate and fix problems, and the more time it is going to take to fix them. When you call Apple Support with a problem, they usually will make sure that you are running the latest version before they do anything, since it has the latest bug fixes.

The reality is that eventually you will have to update, whether you like it or not. When you replace the iPad with a new version it will likely not work with earlier versions of the software. Or you install the latest MacOS on your MacMini to get a new feature, and it breaks Airdrop to your iPhone. Rather than having many major issues upgrading to a version 2 releases away, attending to these issues as new releases are made means you can fix things in small bites, not a huge gulp.
You are right on the fact that you cannot use an older version of iOS in newer iPads, but backups are compatible - barring 32-bit apps - so there shouldn't be any problem.
I had one problem, for example, regarding incompatibility: A friend had an iPad on iOS 9, mine was on iOS 7. We needed to transfer a Pages document to my iPad. My iPad wouldn't open it "Update Pages to open this document". "Pages requires iOS 9.0 or later". We could not transfer it. I had to seek a third party solution.
As I have always said, the largest issue I have (now running iOS 9.3.4 on a 9.7 iPad Pro) is app compatibility.
But that's worth the hassle. My iPad works perfectly, and barring hardware issues, will continue to do so. That higher security (pun intended) is worth it.
Yes, Apple always instructs to update. I had to airdrop something from my iPad to my 2015 Retina MacBook Pro, running OS X El Capitan (I refuse to update based on the same principles). Apple told me to update the iPad, as I contacted them because the Mac AirDrop wasn't detecting my iPad. I refused. It fixed itself a few days later. I don't know why.
I had a storage issue, too, where my storage was eating itself up. Apple told me to delete everything, update, create a new account, and transfer everything. I refused. I sought help in MacRumors, and the issue was fixed with a very simple tip: The storage are undeleted Time Machine backups kept on the computer. Turn Time Machine on and off, and you'll fix it. Apple never told me that. They went the hard way immediately.
As an end result, my iPad is working perfectly, and barring a few stupid apps I wanted to install and didn't need, it has everything I need and want.
 

subjonas

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What is this installing tvOS profile on an iPad people are speaking of? How/why does this work?
 

FeliApple

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What is this installing tvOS profile on an iPad people are speaking of? How/why does this work?
It installs an tvOS beta profile so your device is enrolled in the Apple TV program. When the device looks for iOS updates, it finds none, as it is rerouted to the Apple TV betas, and assumes your device is updated. I think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 

subjonas

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It installs an tvOS beta profile so your device is enrolled in the Apple TV program. When the device looks for iOS updates, it finds none, as it is rerouted to the Apple TV betas, and assumes your device is updated. I think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

You may need to back up a bit. I still don’t understand. You install tvOS beta on your Apple TV and somehow that keeps your iPad from asking to update?
 

Richard8655

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You may need to back up a bit. I still don’t understand. You install tvOS beta on your Apple TV and somehow that keeps your iPad from asking to update?

Not to barge in on the conversation, but as FeliApple is saying the tvOS profile installs on your iPad. Any installed profiles on your iPad can be found in Settings under General. It makes your iPad look like an Apple TV instead of an iPad from IOS updates point of view.

I’ve used this link to install from:
http://www.ipodhacks142.com/download/tvos-11-beta-profile/
 

FeliApple

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You may need to back up a bit. I still don’t understand. You install tvOS beta on your Apple TV and somehow that keeps your iPad from asking to update?
You install a tvOS beta on your iPad. When the iPad tries to look for an update, the profile sends the subsequent search to the tvOS beta update. The iOS device knows this can't be right (tvOS updates are not compatible with iOS) and assumes the device is updated.
 

subjonas

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Not to barge in on the conversation, but as FeliApple is saying the tvOS profile installs on your iPad. Any installed profiles on your iPad can be found in Settings under General. It makes your iPad look like an Apple TV instead of an iPad from IOS updates point of view.

I’ve used this link to install from:
http://www.ipodhacks142.com/download/tvos-11-beta-profile/

You install a tvOS beta on your iPad. When the iPad tries to look for an update, the profile sends the subsequent search to the tvOS beta update. The iOS device knows this can't be right (tvOS updates are not compatible with iOS) and assumes the device is updated.

I wasn’t aware of the whole profiles thing. I’m still not clear, I looked around in settings>general but didn’t see anything regarding that. But it’s ok, I’m not planning to try it, I was just curious.
 

FeliApple

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I wasn’t aware of the whole profiles thing. I’m still not clear, I looked around in settings>general but didn’t see anything regarding that. But it’s ok, I’m not planning to try it, I was just curious.
I believe it won't be there until you install it.
 
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Reggaenald

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Nice analysis. But same happens when software is updated. No one knows how Apple fixes those issues. Applies a band-aid solution or roots out the true culprit? Both are possible. Why people love a specific version of software? Because that version is proven that it gets the job done, nice and clean. Same cannot be said for a newer version. Ever heard of disastrous iOS 11? After so many updates, still plenty of problems. For me, I would love Apple to do major improvements to Bluetooth so my headphone can function properly.
iOS 12 is going to the right direction, but for how far no one knows.
This aged very nicely.
 
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