How do the same bugs keep popping up in each iOS?

[ardchoille50]

Hah. I'm not, but those games still stutter on my iPhone 7 as well, but they were perfect in 9.2 (on iPad mini 4 and iPhone 6)

When 9.3 came out, it broke those games and 10.1 beta 2 hasn't fixed it.

I believe some of your assumptions may be in error - you seem to be placing blame on Apple when the fault actually lies elsewhere. It's not Apple's responsibility to fix those games, that's up to the individual developers. Please don't blame Apple for bugs that aren't their fault.

If this assumption is in error, how many of your other assumptions are in error? Just something to think about.

 

[freepomme]

I don't remember in iOS8, but both iOS9 and 10 have the stuttering feast when invoking spotlight in the homescreen. iOS9 improved it towards the end of its development cycle, and now iOS10 brought back the good old stuttering. I mean, how hard is it to fix a simple slide-down search box animation so it doesn't stutter?

They'll fix it again and you can bet your Tootsie it will be back in iOS 11.
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Let me ask you a simple question:
When you go fishing, do you catch every fish in the lake?

iOS is quite complex. So much so that, if Apple held into it until they've investigated every possible scenario, beta testers wouldn't get their hands on it for years. If the beta testers held onto it until every possible scenario was tested, you'd be complaining that updates take too long to receive.

For what iOS is, and as big as it is, I feel it is high quality - the last bug I actually experienced was Safari crashing and I believe that was in iOS 7.

If you're unhappy with it, perhaps your time would be better spent switching platforms instead of wasting time complaining here - which actually serves no purpose. Focus on what matters, not what angers.

If you really want to fix the problem, learn how to code and get a job at Apple.. and then see how easy it is to release bug-free software.

I think Apple makes them rebuild it from the ground up. Not build on top of what's already there. I mean that's what it seems like.

 

[ardchoille50]

They'll fix it again and you can bet your Tootsie it will be back in iOS 11.

That kind of attitude makes me sad. Some people are so comfortable with chaos that they dig into a situation until they find something to be upset about. If you're going to create your own storms, don't complain when it rains. I feel you could benefit from the study of psychology.

 

[freepomme]

What I don't understand is when they fix a bug and then it comes back in a future release.

Also, they like to take things that were working perfectly and then breaking it (like auto-brightness in iOS 9 as well as some of my favorite games stutter now even though in 9.2 they were perfect.)

It also kills me how many UI glitches there are these days. Not just animations, but things like icons snapping into place after rotating the screen, the keyboard animating the wrong direction after canceling a page swipe in messages app. Can't forget the invisible button in music that Apple apparently thinks is okay. Also, icons flickering in the maps app.

There's more, but I don't have time to outline all the UI glitches.
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Same thing with app switcher. They finally perfected the frame rate in iOS 9, but it's back to being a stutter fest even on my iPhone 7.

And we're noticing all of this. I can vouch!
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That kind of attitude makes me sad. Some people are so comfortable with chaos that they dig into a situation until they find something to be upset about. If you're going to create your own storms, don't complain when it rains. I feel you could benefit from the study of psychology.

I'm just trying to tell you why people are scared to update iOS. You just know something is going to break.

I'm not really complaining about it, I'm just trying to understand it. I'm just wondering how.

And you know what else they did? They removed the ability to take screenshots of your favorite iTunes Movies and TV shows.

Oh yeah. We noticed that. Your screenshot just goes black. But they obviously didn't realize that you can simply get around that by doing the task launcher and taking a screenshot anyway.

Where's the logic in that? I mean this isn't rocket science it's noooootttt

I mean do they need to hire someone specifically to work on the Copy and Paste tool in iOS? This thing has been unstable since iOS 7. Not terrible but it's not perfect and this is what I'm talking about where it's coming back from update to update. As if stands now, Safari will crash while using it.

 

[C DM]

For a $90 billion software company should be easy I'd think, doesn't seem like an engineering feat, is it?

So basically you don't actually know what it might take. Got it.

 

[freepomme]

Oh yeah and I documented the fact that iOS 10's keyboard got all screwed up. Maybe it's because the system is trying to learn how you type from scratch in the new update. But you put those mistakes together with the new keyboard sounds which sounds more like bubbles and the backspace key sounding out of place with the rest of the keys, I just switched to a Google keyboard. I don't need quiet keys. I need that feedback when I type because I type with purpose.

 

[trifid]

So basically you don't actually know what it might take. Got it.

Is it hard? You don't know do you? We can make educated guesses. So once again, a multi-billion company that FIXED the spotlight stuttering in iOS9, why is it back in iOS10? A simple search box, I need it to slide without stuttering, it was fixed in iOS9, why is it broken again?

It makes one wonder if they intentionally put low priority on stuff like this to make the phone appear annoyingly sluggish to drive more sales of the new iPhone.

 

[freepomme]

Is it hard? You don't know do you? We can make educated guesses. So once again, a multi-billion company that FIXED the spotlight stuttering in iOS9, why is it back in iOS10? A simple search box, I need it to slide without stuttering, it was fixed in iOS9, why is it broken again?

It makes one wonder if they intentionally put low priority on stuff like this to make the phone appear annoyingly sluggish to drive more sales of the new iPhone.

Get em trifid! Yeah, have you noticed? The older phones start acting up suspiciously right around the time the new ones come out. Every time.

I could see a lawsuit happening because of that.

 

[trifid]

Get em trifid! Yeah, have you noticed? The older phones start acting up suspiciously right around the time the new ones come out. Every time.

I could see a lawsuit happening because of that.

It already happened, Apple unashamedly destroyed the 4s with iOS9, and after a few weeks Apple stopped signing iOS8, so people that upgraded later couldn't go back to iOS8.

 

[freepomme]

I wonder what the outcome of that was.

 

[C DM]

Is it hard? You don't know do you? We can make educated guesses. So once again, a multi-billion company that FIXED the spotlight stuttering in iOS9, why is it back in iOS10? A simple search box, I need it to slide without stuttering, it was fixed in iOS9, why is it broken again?

It makes one wonder if they intentionally put low priority on stuff like this to make the phone appear annoyingly sluggish to drive more sales of the new iPhone.

Saying it can't really be hard isn't an educated guess, it's just talk.
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Get em trifid! Yeah, have you noticed? The older phones start acting up suspiciously right around the time the new ones come out. Every time.

I could see a lawsuit happening because of that.

And yet various people who were complaining about iOS 9 are happier with iOS 10. So much for "every time" and the usual hyperbolic extreme absolutes. Just when this year was looking better in that department, here we are back to the same old things.

 

[freepomme]

Saying it can't really be hard isn't an educated guess, it's just talk.
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And yet various people who were complaining about iOS 9 are happier with iOS 10. So much for "every time" and the usual hyperbolic extreme absolutes. Just when this year was looking better in that department, here we are back to the same old things.

Okay but that wasn't my point. If people are happier or not I'm just talking about why the same bugs keep cropping up every time and it's a good question. Because this forum is known for that. You all know better than anybody

 

[mrex]

As a windows user since 3.11 I assure you you're very much mistaken

Well, think about windows and ios a second - if microsoft would be apple, there wouldnt be any working computers right now thank god they arent and majority of drivers comes from others or not even needed to upgrade with the new os.

Talking about ios and windows in the same sentence is absurb. Two different os, nothing common in the way they work.

I think the op and others just say, that it is quite odd that there are always the same basic errors althought the device and os comes from the same manufacturer.

 

[Feenician]

Talking about ios and windows in the same sentence is absurb. Two different os, nothing common in the way they work.

Indeed. I would never compare the two for a multitude of reasons. Probably not the reasons you think though.

 

[Jayson A]

I believe some of your assumptions may be in error - you seem to be placing blame on Apple when the fault actually lies elsewhere. It's not Apple's responsibility to fix those games, that's up to the individual developers. Please don't blame Apple for bugs that aren't their fault.

If this assumption is in error, how many of your other assumptions are in error? Just something to think about.

Of course it's not Apple's responsibility to fix those games, but why were they flawless running on 9.2, but then stuttery on 9.3?

Also, aren't the games built with Apple'a tools? There's obviously something that Apple did to 9.3 that messed up OpenGL performance or something.

The only thing that changed was the OS version.

 

[ardchoille50]

Of course it's not Apple's responsibility to fix those games, but why were they flawless running on 9.2, but then stuttery on 9.3?

Also, aren't the games built with Apple'a tools? There's obviously something that Apple did to 9.3 that messed up OpenGL performance or something.

The only thing that changed was the OS version.

Your post just makes it sound like you have an axe to grind and will dig until you find something to blame on Apple. Did you ever give thought to the possibility that the third-party developer's code was of horrible quality and was on the verge of breaking anyway? No, that wouldn't fit your agenda of blaming Apple for everything, would it?

You have the power to fix this problem; switch platforms, stop using those games, or learn to code and create your own games. But, that would solve the problem and it doesn't sound like that's what you really want.. you seem to want to waste time complaining without realizing that complaining solves nothing.

 

[Phil A.]

I think of it like Windows, Windows software was never plagued with these major issues like you see with iOS.

Windows 10 update keeps breaking PCs

Windows 8.1 update breaks some PCs

Surface Book Nightmare - Microsoft won't fix 'sleep of death' bug

Long list of vista bugs that will keep me off vista

 

[freepomme]

Windows 10 update keeps breaking PCs

Windows 8.1 update breaks some PCs

Surface Book Nightmare - Microsoft won't fix 'sleep of death' bug

Long list of vista bugs that will keep me off vista

I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about Windows 95, 98, XP, ME, 7 and 8. Windows went downhill after that.

I mean even the HP Touchpad's WebOS didn't have these update issues

 

[Phil A.]

I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about Windows 95, 98, XP, ME, 7 and 8. Windows went downhill after that.

Windows ME was complete and utter garbage, as was Vista (which came between XP and 7). The only question is Which one was worse

And not everyone would agree Windows 8 was any good

Windows 8 is the biggest piece of garbage I have ever layed hands ...

8 Reasons Why Windows 8 Sucks | Daves Computer Tips

Windows 8 weird or pure garbage OS? - Microsoft | DSLReports Forums

I've used every version of Windows since 1.0 and every one of them has had more than its fair share of problems. Admittedly, some have been worse than others but to say it was never plagued with these major issues is blatantly inaccurate!

 

[freepomme]

Windows ME was complete and utter garbage, as was Vista (which came between XP and 7). The only question is Which one was worse. Personally, I'd go with Vista as the worst as it killed my router whenever it connected (physically stopped any other machines connecting to it) and that was on a machine that came with it - it was so unusable I went back to Windows 7 on that new machine and never visited it again

And not everyone would agree Windows 8 was any good

Windows 8 is the biggest piece of garbage I have ever layed hands ...

8 Reasons Why Windows 8 Sucks | Daves Computer Tips

Windows 8 weird or pure garbage OS? - Microsoft | DSLReports Forums

Well we knew Vista, ME & 8 were garbage. That's well understood. Everybody knows that. You are right. I give you that credit.

But what I'm talking about is what other version of Windows wouldn't work with your router? I can't say I've experienced the same bugs with each Windows update.

 

[Phil A.]

Well we knew Vista, ME & 8 were garbage. That's well understood. Everybody knows that. You are right. I give you that credit.

But what I'm talking about is what other version of Windows wouldn't work with your router? I can't say I've experienced the same bugs with each Windows update.

CVE 2016 3351 affects IE 9 through 11

This one affects the kernel in Microsoft Windows Vista SP2, Windows Server 2008 SP2 and R2 SP1, Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 and R2, Windows RT 8.1, and Windows 10

This one is for the same list of OS versions

I don't think Apple are perfect by any stretch of the imagination and they do tend to let issues come back, but you could certainly picked a better company than Microsoft to put on a pedestal

 

[mrex]

Cmon! Some people here are using Windows as an example. Seriously???

There are thousends and thousends of differend win computers, thousends of custom made win computers.. and if some of them are malfunctioning after win update that is abit differend thing than 'apple and ios'. How many differend ios devices are out there? Home build ios devices? None - Apple made them all.

 

[ardchoille50]

Some people don't understand that once software reaches a certain complexity, being bug-free simply isn't possible. New code introduced could cause a new bug the appears to be identical to a bug that was seen in a previous version of the software - the user sees the same thing, but the bug itself is altogether different.

I'm not trying to defend Apple, I'm simply saying that non-developers usually don't have a full understanding of the situation. And, without completely understanding the situation, I feel that more leniency is in order.

Enjoy your devices. If you find a bug, focus on finding a fix or workaround. Focusing on complaining and anger will serve only to damage your peace and tranquility.

 

[Jayson A]

Your post just makes it sound like you have an axe to grind and will dig until you find something to blame on Apple. Did you ever give thought to the possibility that the third-party developer's code was of horrible quality and was on the verge of breaking anyway? No, that wouldn't fit your agenda of blaming Apple for everything, would it?

You have the power to fix this problem; switch platforms, stop using those games, or learn to code and create your own games. But, that would solve the problem and it doesn't sound like that's what you really want.. you seem to want to waste time complaining without realizing that complaining solves nothing.

There's a solution! I should just make my own games or stop playing the ones I like because an Apple update messed them up. Why were they fine in 8.0-9.2.1? Suddenly 9.3 comes out and almost all of my games started stuttering (but they ran without a hitch on 9.2.1 and earlier.)

Yeah, it was definitely all those developer's faults. Wasn't Apple, no way they could ever make a mistake.

 

[duffman9000]

With every new update comes new stutters, lags and glitches on basic aspects of iOS that's been unchanged for years. Like the status bar. Even just scrolling in Safari. Copy and paste. I mean this is just basic stuff.

But there are fundamental areas where Apple does make changes with little fanfare. Like scrolling performance. This was discussed in a short blurb on Anandtech.