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Excellent.

Now we just need to know about the auto-sleep time. 2 hours sounds like a lot.

Also, what action is needed to wake them up from sleep, when they’re sleeping outside of the smart case.
 

Herrpod

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I guess if you think about it. The airpods / airpods pro work the same way
The difference being the AirPods constantly drain the battery of their carrying case to keep them topped off at 100 percent. The Max won't have that, so instead you're just going to have wasted battery life every single time you decide not to use them. That's horrible for the lifespan of the battery. People keep comparing these to other headphones in this price range, but the difference is most of those don't purposely reduce the lifespan of the device by not allowing it to be turned off. For a company that claims to be "green", Apple are ridiculously awful in practice.
 

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The difference being the AirPods constantly drain the battery of their carrying case to keep them topped off at 100 percent. The Max won't have that, so instead you're just going to have wasted battery life every single time you decide not to use them. That's horrible for the lifespan of the battery. People keep comparing these to other headphones in this price range, but the difference is most of those don't purposely reduce the lifespan of the device by not allowing it to be turned off. For a company that claims to be "green", Apple are ridiculously awful in practice.

Apple will happily service them and put new batteries in them, for a reasonable price.
Again, the always on nature is needed for “Find my”.
 
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Herrpod

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Apple will happily service them and put new batteries in them, for a reasonable price.
Again, the always on nature is needed for “Find my”.
So let me turn it off. Decreasing the life of a product for a "feature" most people will never need is completely stupid.
 
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giggles

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So let me turn it off. Decreasing the life of a product for a "feature" most people will never need is completely stupid.

It could be that the notion of “off” is becoming obsolete, for some smart devices.
BLE is a good approximation of “off”. Some Homekit BLE sensors will last 2 years on a battery.
If you let the user completely turn them off, some people will turn them off, forget them in a bag at the airport and then complain they don’t find them in “Find my”.
It’s not the end of the world.
Batteries are not eternal anyway.
I bet these are even easier to service than small airpods. (actually the battery service for airpods max is cheaper than servicing 2 airpods/airpods_pro)
 
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Meever

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I don’t know if you’ve already got your answers but leaving the headphones out of the case for the whole day drained like 2%-3% of the battery.
 
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soaddk

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MKBHD said 2h in his video.I think he is a reliable source.
Because? He makes mistakes often. Apple has said the following:

Without case:
After 5 minutes off your head they go into "low power mode"
After 72 hours they go into "ultra low power mode" where you can't find them on "find my iphone" and they use almost no power

With case:
Into "low power" immediately
After 18 hours they go into "ultra low power mode"

Reports also say that they use 1-3% power per day when idle in the "low power" mode, which mean that you really don't need a powerbutton.
 

soaddk

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Excellent.

Now we just need to know about the auto-sleep time. 2 hours sounds like a lot.

Also, what action is needed to wake them up from sleep, when they’re sleeping outside of the smart case.

You just put them on. The motion sensors know when you pick them up. Don't know how they wake up from the "ultra low" power mode though.
 

Easttime

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Had an aha moment. I use AirPods Pro at my desk. They are on charge all the time when not in my ears, and always ready to go when I put them in my ears. But I think cans will be better for my office work. This week I hauled out my old Bose Quietcomfort 15 cans to try out over ear headphones at my desk. I used to use them only when travelling. They’re powered by a single AAA non-rechargeable battery. Had to turn them on. I forgot to turn them off one when I was done in the office one afternoon. Next morning the battery was dead. My APM coming in February won’t have that problem. They’ll always be plugged in overnight and ready to go next morning. And when I do take them out of the office, Find My will be useful one day. Aha. I see the merit of Apple’s thinking.
 

random person

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I think the lack of an off button is a feature, not a flaw. I've got the Bose 700 and they are a nuisance to turn on and off, and for what? The Max just works -- put it on your head, take them off. Simple. 20 hour battery life means they will last for a long time even with the 3% or so drain every night. BTW, the Bose drains battery too even when off. And it is just yet another button to push -- along with all the other fussy features of the Bose 700. I am so grateful never to hear that repeating "ready to pair" drone from them again!
 

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I think the lack of an off button is a feature, not a flaw. I've got the Bose 700 and they are a nuisance to turn on and off, and for what? The Max just works -- put it on your head, take them off. Simple. 20 hour battery life means they will last for a long time even with the 3% or so drain every night. BTW, the Bose drains battery too even when off. And it is just yet another button to push -- along with all the other fussy features of the Bose 700. I am so grateful never to hear that repeating "ready to pair" drone from them again!
This.

We don't turn off cell phones anymore. Same with laptops. Tablets. Watches. Wireless keyboards. Wireless mice. TV remotes.

Now this feature came to headphones. Wait a year or two and I'll bet ALL wireless headphones will get rid of the off button.


Mine use about 7-10% per day when not in use (extrapolated from about 3-4% per night). So this is 10 days (without the shutdown after 72 hours, which happens if you don't use them at all), pretty much ancient Nokia 6310i battery territory.

So it all boils down to:
1. You use headphones daily, either in long sessions or you put them on and off often. You charge them every 2-3 days. Benefits of not needing an ON button are obvious.
2. You use your headphones once a week. Either you use the bra and charge them once every 2 months or you don't and you charge them 1-2x a month.

Seems like a good compromise for not needing to fiddle with another button with a single functionality.


(think of yourself 10 years ago, when you struggled with how to turn that iPhone OFF during the night and you couldn't easily)
 
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LeonPro

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A few months from now we will see headphone manufacturers implement an auto standby/off without any movement after seeing Apple's implementation on the Max.
 
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