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NT1440

macrumors Pentium
May 18, 2008
15,093
22,159
So the answer is that Apple rips us off and everyone is fine with that?

I see around these forums all the time. There is NO WAY IN HELL that "So and so product" will ever sell for 200 dollars. When they very well could be sold for that much, just it would be outrageous to what Apple normally does.

P.s. i would not call an iPod classic anything NEAR a mercedes.

well apparantly the dollar amount of a product is all you care about.

When i think quality computer, apple is the top of my list. That and several other points such as OSX make it more than worth in IMHO but thats me, a guy that likes to buy things i can use instead of utter crap because its cheaper.:apple:
 

benzslrpee

macrumors 6502
Jan 1, 2007
406
26
dumb question.

how do the tailors in Savile Row charge $5000 for a bespoke suit? i mean how is it any better than a Men's Warehouse suit? both buy their fabric through the big 3 or 4 Italian textile mills, both places use wool, the wool are spun from sheep who eat grass and poops all day...

kinda weird then how the needle workers on the Row have waiting lists 5 years long when the Warehouse has ass loads of surplus suits they can't even sell.

BMW/Mercedes/Jaguar/Land Rover/Bentley are known as maintenance queens. either you get a reliable machine or you're best friends with the Gus the auto guy. judging from reports most people end up in the latter category.

again, very strange then how all those European luxury cars can command a high dollar price tag with people still willing to buy them. i mean, Toyota and Honda makes a good car but i rarely see people thrilled with owning them.

is there a difference between lingerie bought at La Perla/Fredericks/Victoria's Secret as opposed to Walmart? don't both sell lacy little nothings made from cotton? i have yet to hear a girl rave about a sexy g-string she got from Wally World.

how about between Fiji/Voss/Perrier and Ozarka/Dasani/Generic brand bottled water? i mean, holy crap...it's just water. two damn hydrogens bonded with an oxygen. does Fiji has some special water bonded differently? is it cause they add "special minerals"? my ass. lemme sprinkle some dirt in your water and you'll get all the special minerals you need for free. so why do they charge more than their competitors?

if you'd like more examples of ways how people spend a little/or a lot...too much on a certain product i can certainly list more out. it's no problem at all really :cool:
 

nanofrog

macrumors G4
May 6, 2008
11,719
3
dumb question.

how do the tailors in Savile Row charge $5000 for a bespoke suit? i mean how is it any better than a Men's Warehouse suit? both buy their fabric through the big 3 or 4 Italian textile mills, both places use wool, the wool are spun from sheep who eat grass and poops all day...

kinda weird then how the needle workers on the Row have waiting lists 5 years long when the Warehouse has ass loads of surplus suits they can't even sell.

BMW/Mercedes/Jaguar/Land Rover/Bentley are known as maintenance queens. either you get a reliable machine or you're best friends with the Gus the auto guy. judging from reports most people end up in the latter category.

again, very strange then how all those European luxury cars can command a high dollar price tag with people still willing to buy them. i mean, Toyota and Honda makes a good car but i rarely see people thrilled with owning them.

is there a difference between lingerie bought at La Perla/Fredericks/Victoria's Secret as opposed to Walmart? don't both sell lacy little nothings made from cotton? i have yet to hear a girl rave about a sexy g-string she got from Wally World.

how about between Fiji/Voss/Perrier and Ozarka/Dasani/Generic brand bottled water? i mean, holy crap...it's just water. two damn hydrogens bonded with an oxygen. does Fiji has some special water bonded differently? is it cause they add "special minerals"? my ass. lemme sprinkle some dirt in your water and you'll get all the special minerals you need for free. so why do they charge more than their competitors?

if you'd like more examples of ways how people spend a little/or a lot...too much on a certain product i can certainly list more out. it's no problem at all really :cool:

Successful marketing. ;) :p
 

GGJstudios

macrumors Westmere
May 16, 2008
44,556
950
dumb question.
how do the tailors in Savile Row charge $5000 for a bespoke suit? i mean how is it any better than a Men's Warehouse suit? both buy their fabric through the big 3 or 4 Italian textile mills, both places use wool, the wool are spun from sheep who eat grass and poops all day...

kinda weird then how the needle workers on the Row have waiting lists 5 years long when the Warehouse has ass loads of surplus suits they can't even sell.
Actually, they don't buy their fabric from the same mills. And wool, like silk or other fabrics, comes in different grades of quality. The fabric alone for many bespoke suits costs more than any 2 suits at Men's Warehouse.
BMW/Mercedes/Jaguar/Land Rover/Bentley are known as maintenance queens. either you get a reliable machine or you're best friends with the Gus the auto guy. judging from reports most people end up in the latter category.

again, very strange then how all those European luxury cars can command a high dollar price tag with people still willing to buy them. i mean, Toyota and Honda makes a good car but i rarely see people thrilled with owning them.
Again, your facts aren't quite correct. British cars, especially Jaguar, used to have the reputation of being "maintenance queens," as you put it, especially with electrical systems. German cars, such as Mercedes, Porsche, BMW, etc. have long had a reputation for being extremely well-built and reliable. These reputations began decades ago and some, like Jaguar, have made great strides in changing their reputation over the years. Of course, there have always been individual exceptions to these reputations. As for personal experience, I've owned quite a few German and Japanese cars over the years. Of the two, I'd pick a German car ANY day!

Your point is lost in the inaccurate examples you chose. The fact is, some high-priced products are no better, and in some cases even worse, than lower-priced alternatives. In those cases, brand name or other prestige-oriented factors help determine the price. In many cases, however, you do get what you pay for in higher quality components and craftsmanship.
 

rajalot

macrumors member
May 27, 2008
95
0
Supply has to meet demand. Demand is high -> prices are high

Last time I checked, Apple didn't have huge stockpiles of unsold hardware despite the price. To achieve greater market penetration price drops are needed, but before axing prices Apple needs to increase production to avoid situation where margins fall simultaneously with stagnated unit sales.
 

nick9191

macrumors 68040
Feb 17, 2008
3,407
313
Britain
those were poorly choosen examples.

HP Pavilion DV2940SE 14.1-inch Laptop (2.10 GHz AMD Turion X2 TL-62 Dual Core Mobile Processor, 4 GB RAM, 320 GB Hard Drive, DVD Drive, Vista Premium)

$855 Same processor, wireless, bluetooth. Twice the ram, twice the space. 400 dollars less.

And yeah yeah yeah i know. Now people will say. BUT YOU ARE GETTING A MAC! That was not the point of this example.

They are not the same processor at all. As much as I love AMD, their mobile processors suck.

Clock speed != performance
 

XboxEvolved

macrumors 6502a
Aug 22, 2004
870
1,118
It's an interesting question, that I don't think anyone here can really answer without actually using the computer. Acer has been known for making some decent computers, but a lot of crap ones too.

While I don't think it is fair to compare it to something like iPod, especially since there are a lot of MP3 players that are also around iPod's price range, I think it would be more fair to compare it to other PCs in it's class. The truth is, Apple doesn't make laptops in the same class as Acer does. The closest two to compare to it are the Macbook and Macbook Air, and the Macbook Air while incredibly underpowered and overpriced it is still more powerful spec wise than this, and I am sure there are pricey difficulties of getting that much power in such a small enclosure.

On the otherhand, the Acer compares to other cheap portables in the PC space, especially ones that simply run Linux. If you added any kind of Windows to it it would add at least $150 more to the price. Like a lot of people said before you pay for what you get, and I don't think this Acer laptop would be built as well. What seems like Apple overcharging normally isn't if you do research on it. The few hundred that may be tacked on is because of marketing, and the quality of the machine. PC Magazine didn't rate Macbook Pro the best laptop to run Vista on for nothing, nor does CNET give out highscores to Mac because they are fanboys.

I actually thought a lot about the overpricing issue, especially because I plan on buying an iMac here soon. I did price research for about 2 hours looking at what companies like HP, Dell, Alienware, Acer, eMachines, etc made be it all-in-ones or monitors+towers. Surprisingly Apple doesn't really overcharge at all, especially stacked against other all-in-ones.
 

GSMiller

macrumors 68000
Dec 2, 2006
1,666
0
Kentucky
I wouldn't call >70% market share for the iPod and multi-million iPhone sales "niche". Apple has set the de facto standard for both music players and smartphones with their product lines.

However, responding to the OP, I wouldn't call the iPod/iPhone pricing "ripoff" either. Sure, we can purchase more raw computing power (such as the aforementioned Acer Aspire netbook) for less. But certain questions must be asked about any "competing" product...
  • Is it as portable as an iPod/iPhone?
  • Is it as nicely designed?
  • Is it as elegant and intuitive to use?
  • Is it as effective to do what you, the purchaser, intend it to do, right out of the box?

I was more so referring to Apple computers.
 

XboxEvolved

macrumors 6502a
Aug 22, 2004
870
1,118
Also to correct dXTC, the iPhone is the de facto standard for touch screen smartphones.
 

wordmunger

macrumors 603
Sep 3, 2003
5,124
3
North Carolina
those were poorly choosen examples.

HP Pavilion DV2940SE 14.1-inch Laptop (2.10 GHz AMD Turion X2 TL-62 Dual Core Mobile Processor, 4 GB RAM, 320 GB Hard Drive, DVD Drive, Vista Premium)

$855 Same processor, wireless, bluetooth. Twice the ram, twice the space. 400 dollars less.

And yeah yeah yeah i know. Now people will say. BUT YOU ARE GETTING A MAC! That was not the point of this example.

That computer is 1.5 inches thick. The macbook is 1 inch thick. As I said before, you pay for portability.
 

txhockey9404

macrumors 6502a
Feb 25, 2008
548
1
those were poorly choosen examples.

HP Pavilion DV2940SE 14.1-inch Laptop (2.10 GHz AMD Turion X2 TL-62 Dual Core Mobile Processor, 4 GB RAM, 320 GB Hard Drive, DVD Drive, Vista Premium)

$855 Same processor, wireless, bluetooth. Twice the ram, twice the space. 400 dollars less.

And yeah yeah yeah i know. Now people will say. BUT YOU ARE GETTING A MAC! That was not the point of this example.

It's not the same processor. What Mac has ever used an AMD processor? Those are complete crap.
 

Primejimbo

macrumors 68040
Aug 10, 2008
3,295
131
Around
That example is an Acer. You are comparing a Kia Rio to an Acura RL. They are 2 different computers. If Kia can make a car for under $12,000.00, why can't Acura? If you can tell me that answer, then more power to you.
I got a Mac for many reasons. I have friends who use them and have very little problems with them. They don't run virus scans, spy sweepers, and other crap to keep Windows running good. It's a piece of mind, and running all the programs (virus, spysweeper, etc.) is wasting time and time is money.
No one is telling you to buy an Apple, buy what you like. If you want to buy a $50,000 Hummer SUV, go for it and I think it's a waste of money. Should care? No, it's not my money, so I don't care.
I like my Mac and that is all to it. And someone said it before.. You get what you pay for.
 

dmr727

macrumors G4
Dec 29, 2007
10,677
5,926
NYC
Apparently the OP thinks that typing in all caps helps get his point across.

Like others have said - if we didn't pay it, Apple wouldn't charge it. That's really the end of the story. We can argue specs until we're blue in the face, but it always will come down to that.
 
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