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cualexander

macrumors 6502a
Apr 3, 2006
567
96
Charlotte, NC
Music management without using iTunes is one of the top reasons why i jailbreak lol.

Drag and drop baby.

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Drag and drop is the simplest means to accomplish the task. Select file, "send to device xx" and done.

In 2013, the year by which technology should make things easier, if i still have to pay Apple $25 a year for my music, then upload that huge library to iTunes match costing both time and effort, then access it off the cloud, then load that crappy iTunes port for windows on my PC to access it there, then i think i am better off with a 2008 technology.

In fact i do drag and drop on my iPhone now. Because i refuse to lock myself into Apple's "ecosystem". Too bad they are clamping even harder on that so windows phone or android or BB are the only salvation in the future (guess MS also went back to 2008 by allowing drag and drop in WP8...lol)

Drag and drop only works well if your whole collection is tagged and organized well. Google offers Google Music for free because Google is heavily subsidized by Ads, in Gmail, Google, etc. whereas Apple is not.
 

sentinelsx

macrumors 68010
Feb 28, 2011
2,004
0
Drag and drop only works well if your whole collection is tagged and organized well. Google offers Google Music for free because Google is heavily subsidized by Ads, in Gmail, Google, etc. whereas Apple is not.

And i don't use iTunes to organize or tag my collection either. So again it is of zero use to me.
 

metzy25

macrumors 65816
May 7, 2011
1,074
114
I was wondering the same thing actually. The website makes it look like it works for real, but it seems like I would find some other site talking about it.

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It looks to be a scam. I clicked to download and it wants me to respond to an "offer" first.

That's what I figured it would be, if I use the what app on a s4, will I be able to tell if the person using the iPhone read my message? That's the main thing holding me back right now
 

Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
14,725
13,245
UK
Aside from stability issues I find android to be a lot easier to use than iOS. It seems far more logical and intuitive to me. I suppose if you are used to using a PC then android should be straight forward.
 

adder7712

macrumors 68000
Mar 9, 2009
1,923
1
Canada
Aside from stability issues I find android to be a lot easier to use than iOS. It seems far more logical and intuitive to me. I suppose if you are used to using a PC then android should be straight forward.

Actually, Android is more desktop-like as opposed to iOS. Music organisation shouldn't be an issue as you can copy your entire iTunes folder onto an Android phone and it'll play them just fine. Just make sure none of your tracks are of the DRM-enforced variety.
 

Switchback666

macrumors 68000
Nov 16, 2012
1,600
67
SXM
That's what I figured it would be, if I use the what app on a s4, will I be able to tell if the person using the iPhone read my message? That's the main thing holding me back right now

Whatsapp ? Of course you can tell when someone reads your msg, it works the same on all mobile OS.
 

jcpb

macrumors 6502a
Jun 5, 2012
860
0
Drag and drop only works well if your whole collection is tagged and organized well. Google offers Google Music for free because Google is heavily subsidized by Ads, in Gmail, Google, etc. whereas Apple is not.
It's debilitating for Apple/iOS users. It's just another workday for PC users.

Drag and drop = tactical bacon = win the internet
iTunes = go to jail, do not pass GO, do not collect $200
 

Dolorian

macrumors 65816
Apr 25, 2007
1,086
0
Welcome to 2013, I haven't plugged a phone in to sync (save to try out the new iOS 7 beta on my iPhone) in years......all my music is on iTunes match and is synced across to my HTC One via Play Music. Playlists and all.

Indeed. Syncing everything to the cloud is the best solution and involves much less hassle than plugging in your device and drag/dropping files. For music you can use Google Play Music, it syncs your iTunes library with playlists and all to the cloud. The initial upload takes a bit but then uploading an album or a few songs every odd day is much faster.
 

maxosx

macrumors 68020
Dec 13, 2012
2,385
1
Southern California
It's an easy transition. If my 80 year old mom can do it, with a little help from me, anyone can do it. I was surprised as it was her idea.

One of her girlfriends bought a Galaxy S4, had her son help her on day one and she was off and running. Since my mom uses gmail the contacts, calendar and mail was as most of you know, all on the S4 in a matter of moments.

There's a lot to be said for Android 4.0 or greater. All the new phones come with it, and the ease of use is what makes it a very reasonable transition from an iPhone or any other phone for that matter.

My rather large family went from all iPhones a few years ago, to all Galaxy S3's and S4's currently. We love our Macs / iPads, and other Apple gear, but when it comes to smartphones we are Android all the way.
 

jcpb

macrumors 6502a
Jun 5, 2012
860
0
I don't know why drag and drop is better than wireless iTunes syncing.
For one, iTunes is like the bloatware on stock Samsung Galaxy devices, except you can't really remove it as it ties into the Apple-iOS ecosystem. Drag and drop is still better than anything iTunes has to offer.

Number one reason I don't use cloud services except for unimportant stuff = lack of affordable symmetrical internet connections. I don't need 100Mbps download, but I do need 25Mbps uploads without paying $100+ a month for it. Even a measly 10/10 would be an improvement.
 

cualexander

macrumors 6502a
Apr 3, 2006
567
96
Charlotte, NC
How hard is it moving from iOS to Android for a technophobe?

For one, iTunes is like the bloatware on stock Samsung Galaxy devices, except you can't really remove it as it ties into the Apple-iOS ecosystem. Drag and drop is still better than anything iTunes has to offer.

Number one reason I don't use cloud services except for unimportant stuff = lack of affordable symmetrical internet connections. I don't need 100Mbps download, but I do need 25Mbps uploads without paying $100+ a month for it. Even a measly 10/10 would be an improvement.

I think a lot of people are forgetting the early days of music management before iTunes came along. iTunes isn't perfect, but having tried all the other mp3 programs throughout the history of mp3s from the time I first started collecting them around 1996 or so, I can say that it is a hell of a lot better than the craptastic piece of crap Windows Media Player and the other software that often wasn't free. Winamp added music library management but it wasn't until many years after it's initial release. iTunes,for me, replaced a lot of random id3 tagging software and the like and got my music collection beyond a set of folders and sub-folders, and into an actual library of music. A lot of software that has been released since merely duplicated what iTunes had from the start. A lot of people who like to put down Apple don't recognize the work they did to make the digital music market the force it is today.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
Indeed. Syncing everything to the cloud is the best solution and involves much less hassle than plugging in your device and drag/dropping files. For music you can use Google Play Music, it syncs your iTunes library with playlists and all to the cloud. The initial upload takes a bit but then uploading an album or a few songs every odd day is much faster.

Heck, it works so well I can buy songs through iTunes on my iPhone and they automatically sync to my HTC One as if it were another Apple device.

Just wish the Play Music app wasn't so gdamn cluttered and confusing.
 

Jibbajabba

macrumors 65816
Aug 13, 2011
1,024
5
Music management and transfer on Androids require allot more work than iTunes-to-iPhone and is not as nice.

Ha? Either you haven't used android yet or you really didn't try / know better.

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I think a lot of people are forgetting the early days of music management before iTunes came along. iTunes isn't perfect, but having tried all the other mp3 programs throughout the history of mp3s from the time I first started collecting them around 1996 or so, I can say that it is a hell of a lot better than the craptastic piece of crap Windows Media Player and the other software that often wasn't free. Winamp added music library management but it wasn't until many years after it's initial release. iTunes,for me, replaced a lot of random id3 tagging software and the like and got my music collection beyond a set of folders and sub-folders, and into an actual library of music. A lot of software that has been released since merely duplicated what iTunes had from the start. A lot of people who like to put down Apple don't recognize the work they did to make the digital music market the force it is today.

So you are saying because of what Apple achieved we have to stick with iTunes because Apple deserves it?
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
Ha? Either you haven't used android yet or you really didn't try it know better.

Depends on the computer you store your music on and how organized it is.....

Using a Mac, I needed to download a new app to handle the music management through Play whereas iTunes was already there.

Obviously, on a PC you'd have to download both applications.

iTunes match versus Play Music is really a wash as far as ease of use. Both require upload/matching of your library (though iTunes did matching first, then Google implemented it - at first, Play Music would upload your entire library which took hours). Both cache/download songs during playback.

The difference for me is the music player app on mobile devices - I find the Apple version FAR more polished and intuitive. I still don't understand why I have to "pin" a song, album or playlist to save it to my phone. And I can't seem to figure out what is actually downloaded and what isn't because the Play Music library lumps everything together with no indicator of which is "pinned" (my phone isn't a cork board.....).

Either way, both work well and after setup are pretty seamless. I use both in conjunction with each other to essentially extend my iTunes match library to my HTC One - it works like another iOS device for me in that anything I buy on my iMac, iPhone or iPad is downloaded/synced to all the other devices including my HTC One seamlessly, with no input from me. iTunes does a great job of auto-organizing its folder so its easy to set Play Music to just pull from the iTunes folder.

Much better than dragging and dropping IMO.
 

jcpb

macrumors 6502a
Jun 5, 2012
860
0
I think a lot of people are forgetting the early days of music management before iTunes came along. iTunes isn't perfect, but having tried all the other mp3 programs throughout the history of mp3s from the time I first started collecting them around 1996 or so, I can say that it is a hell of a lot better than the craptastic piece of crap Windows Media Player and the other software that often wasn't free. Winamp added music library management but it wasn't until many years after it's initial release. iTunes,for me, replaced a lot of random id3 tagging software and the like and got my music collection beyond a set of folders and sub-folders, and into an actual library of music. A lot of software that has been released since merely duplicated what iTunes had from the start. A lot of people who like to put down Apple don't recognize the work they did to make the digital music market the force it is today.
Not sure if serious
 

jcpb

macrumors 6502a
Jun 5, 2012
860
0
Yes, I'm serious that iTunes performs the task of managing music well.
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iTunes makes music management easy because it takes away granular control away from you.
 

cualexander

macrumors 6502a
Apr 3, 2006
567
96
Charlotte, NC
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iTunes makes music management easy because it takes away granular control away from you.

Not really. You can still tag songs individually if you want. There seems to be this philosophy in the Android world that if something takes 200 steps it's better than a couple steps. I haven't quite figured out the fascination with software being complicated as a good thing yet, but if that's your thing, go for it.
 

sentinelsx

macrumors 68010
Feb 28, 2011
2,004
0
Not really. You can still tag songs individually if you want. There seems to be this philosophy in the Android world that if something takes 200 steps it's better than a couple steps. I haven't quite figured out the fascination with software being complicated as a good thing yet, but if that's your thing, go for it.

It takes me one step to copy my music to my current jailbroken phone through either wireless or wired (I tweaked it to open USB drive mode).

Previously it took me 3-4 steps to do it through iTunes.
 

jcpb

macrumors 6502a
Jun 5, 2012
860
0
Not really. You can still tag songs individually if you want. There seems to be this philosophy in the Android world that if something takes 200 steps it's better than a couple steps. I haven't quite figured out the fascination with software being complicated as a good thing yet, but if that's your thing, go for it.
The Apple way is "a couple steps". Bad news, son - the Apple way is a couple steps too many.

It's bloated, it's slow, and it's horribad to use when you stop using it with kid gloves - and that's just for starters. Every PC user looks at what iFans do re: music management and ROTFL.
 
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