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MacBird

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Ok, so this post is not very helpful. It's hard to tell if your being sarcastic or not. That link seems to be informative and the 26 comments don't seem to contradict the article.

So in other words, you can apparently adjust EQ with airplay. This other fellow is posting in numerous threads that EQ cannot be adjusted manually. I read this and perhaps mistakenly believed it. Goes to show you how utterly confused I am :D

I was not referring to you, I'm sorry if it appeared that way. :)
 
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By coincidence, I just moved a Couperin track to my music server -- a placeholder MP3 of Trevor Pinnock, standing in for the lossless rip I'll make after I'm finally back in the same county where my CDs are in storage. They've been patiently waiting for this day.
 

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The article linked to above does show how to adjust equalization - I have just tried experimenting with it, while playing music from my iTunes library (not Apple Music), and trying various manual adjustments that were deliberately large enough so that I could easily tell if it made a difference, repeating portions of a particular track after making changes. It does work with the HomePod.

From the article:

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First, open iTunes and connect to HomePod by clicking on the AirPlay icon located to the right of the volume slider. Select HomePod and begin music playback.

Next, navigate to Window > Equalizer in the menu bar and either select a preset or drag the frequency sliders to increase or decrease volumes of individual frequencies. The Preamp slider controls adjustments to overall volume of all frequencies, but these modifications can come at a cost to fidelity.

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I then went to my iPhone and made changes there, using the 'Music' settings. This did not affect the setting for EQ in iTunes.

By the way, it takes a short period of time for settings made using iTunes on the computer to get to the HomePod, maybe just a second or two but there is a lag. I suspect that there is some buffering going on, and so the HomePod takes a short amount of time to adjust to anything changed from the computer. This is also what I've observed when changing volume levels or song selections, anything that affects what the speaker is being told to do.

The lag is surprising, I just changed it from 'bass reducer' to 'classical' and it took several seconds before the change had an effect.
 

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The lag is surprising, I just changed it from 'bass reducer' to 'classical' and it took several seconds before the change had an effect.

Yes, so we are having the same experience.

Interesting to follow the discussions here, quite a few of us are learning as we go, and the understanding of the features is evolving in real time as we share what we're learning.
 

MacBird

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So if you can manually adjust this i'm buying. I was waiting to see. Ya neva know :D

In iTunes on the Mac you can really fine-tune it and create your own preset, on iOS devices in the Music settings there are standard presets. As I said in a previous post, the differences are very noticeable. With the standard HomePod settings, the bass in the 5th symphony by Shostakovich sounded almost comical. :)
 

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By the way, to get back to the original question of 'how is classical music on HomePod', I'm listening to Vivaldi's Four Seasons now, Christopher Hogwood and the Academy of Ancient Music, one of my very early CD purchases. Playing it from my iTunes library, lossless rip. Anyway, it sounds really excellent. I'm finding the HomePod speakers to be substantially better than what I've been using as computer speakers - Audioengine A2 powered speakers that I've been pretty satisfied with for several years. Glad I waited for the HomePod and didn't spend money earlier on more expensive desktop speakers.
 
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MacBird

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By the way, to get back to the original question of 'how is classical music on HomePod', I'm listening to Vivaldi's Four Seasons now, Christopher Hogwood and the Academy of Ancient Music, one of my very early CD purchases. Playing it from my iTunes library, lossless rip. Anyway, it sounds really excellent. I'm finding the HomePod speakers to be substantially better than what I've been using as computer speakers - Audioengine A2 powered speakers that I've been pretty satisfied with for several years. Glad I waited for the HomePod and didn't spend money earlier on more expensive desktop speakers.

Once Apple releases AirPlay 2, it might actually sound really great with two HomePods combined, at least I hope so. Without the option to adjust the EQ settings, I probably would have returned the HomePod.
 
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Phil77354

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Once Apple releases AirPlay 2, it might actually sound really great with two HomePods combined, at least I hope so. Without the option to adjust the EQ settings, I probably would have returned the HomePod.

I agree, especially since I have several HomePods and as I decide how to place them in my home it will be very interesting to see the difference once AirPlay 2 is released.

Which, by the way, is going to be -- when? I haven't read anything about timing, but now that HomePods are in the wild, Apple is going to be getting a lot of requests to get AirPlay 2 released.
 

dannys1

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You're positive about this, so he's imagining it?

Positive - you're not Airplaying from the Music app or iTunes on Mac either - it's just acting as a dumb remote. Anything from iCloud music library or Apple Music is streamed directly on the HomePod and as Eddy Cue said, you can't EQ it (yet).

Seeing the other link here there seems to be a workaround for Mac only, and then only if it is being played from iTunes - although if you full Airplay on a Mac and put an EQ on the master out you might be able to do it.

You can't do it in iOS at all though, the music EQ settings are for the Music app only and only apply to the iOS device output, not airplay.
 
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MacBird

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I agree, especially since I have several HomePods and as I decide how to place them in my home it will be very interesting to see the difference once AirPlay 2 is released.

Which, by the way, is going to be -- when? I haven't read anything about timing, but now that HomePods are in the wild, Apple is going to be getting a lot of requests to get AirPlay 2 released.

My guess is either with iOS 11.3 or later with iOS 12.
 

dannys1

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The lag is surprising, I just changed it from 'bass reducer' to 'classical' and it took several seconds before the change had an effect.

It's not surprising, that's Airplay 1 - it's always had that lag.

Spotify has that lag because it's using Airplay 1.

Music app doesn't have the lag because it's not using Airplay it's just telling the speaker what to pull from iCloud Music library.

You CANNOT Eq with iOS - and you can only EQ Airplay stuff on a Mac with the EQ.

I hope we will get a proper EQ soon because I think the HomePod sounds awful, it's all bass and no top end, it's veiled and muddy with no clarity. I'm spoilt though, I'm use to studio monitors, which whilst costing not much more than a HomePod take a completely different angle to presenting music.

The HomePod is trying to squeeze as much "wow" out of a small speaker as it can and the punch and amount of bass is impressive - however it's not at all accurate and it's fatiguing.

Studio monitors will not give you bass that bounces around the room but they will let you hear stuff you've never heard before - try some Adam A3X's which can be had for a lot less than a pair of Homepods and you'll be able to hear the hair on the bow of the violin.
 
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tubular

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It's hard to tell -- intentionally -- but there may actually be two waves of software release, one for stereo pairing and one for what I guess I'd call multi-user. The latter sounds like a more difficult problem.

FWIW at the moment I'm listening to some of the le-e-e-ento recordings of Satie works for solo piano by Reinbert de Leeuw. I used to listen to these recordings back in the day of the Walkman, powered by two AAs. This is better.
 
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You CANNOT Eq with iOS - and you can only EQ Airplay stuff on a Mac with the EQ.

The Eq settings for the iOS Music app does definitely work for AirPlay when playing local content. And has been for several years, not only for HomePod.

Although it may be true if you stream from Apple Music, I can’t tell as I don’t use it.
 

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The Eq settings for the iOS Music app does definitely work for AirPlay when playing local content. And has been for several years, not only for HomePod.

Although it may be true if you stream from Apple Music, I can’t tell as I don’t use it.

Yeah - it doesn't for Homepod is what i'm saying.
[doublepost=1518289492][/doublepost]This provides as MUCH more natural sound to Homepod, gets rid of the ridiculous bass and feels like someone took their coat from off the top of the speaker, some actual top end!

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Mercury7

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The article linked to above does show how to adjust equalization - I have just tried experimenting with it, while playing music from my iTunes library (not Apple Music), and trying various manual adjustments that were deliberately large enough so that I could easily tell if it made a difference, repeating portions of a particular track after making changes. It does work with the HomePod.

From the article:

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First, open iTunes and connect to HomePod by clicking on the AirPlay icon located to the right of the volume slider. Select HomePod and begin music playback.

Next, navigate to Window > Equalizer in the menu bar and either select a preset or drag the frequency sliders to increase or decrease volumes of individual frequencies. The Preamp slider controls adjustments to overall volume of all frequencies, but these modifications can come at a cost to fidelity.

------------

I then went to my iPhone and made changes there, using the 'Music' settings. This did not affect the setting for EQ in iTunes.

By the way, it takes a short period of time for settings made using iTunes on the computer to get to the HomePod, maybe just a second or two but there is a lag. I suspect that there is some buffering going on, and so the HomePod takes a short amount of time to adjust to anything changed from the computer. This is also what I've observed when changing volume levels or song selections, anything that affects what the speaker is being told to do.



I then went to my iPhone and made changes there, using the 'Music' settings. This did not affect the setting for EQ in iTunes.”
Just for clarity.... your saying equalizer from computer to HomePod works but equalizer from phone to homepod does not work—— just wanted to understand
 

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I then went to my iPhone and made changes there, using the 'Music' settings. This did not affect the setting for EQ in iTunes.”
Just for clarity.... your saying equalizer from computer to HomePod works but equalizer from phone to homepod does not work—— just wanted to understand

Correct - iOS music app seems to exclusive tell the HomePod speaker to pull music from iCloud library/Apple Music (which makes sense considering you can't open any other tracks on the iOS device in the Music app - or can you still sync Mp3s from iTunes? I don't know but...) where as if you enable that iTunes EQ it actually Airplays from the Mac.
 

Mercury7

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Ok thanks, perhaps they will change this in a future update, I just pulled up Amazon music to see if they had any eq settings, they do not but makes me think that maybe they should..... might be to heavy of a lift for a app to do that real-time on streaming content though
[doublepost=1518291025][/doublepost]Thinking it would have to be a developer tool for Apple to provide and then individual companies, Pandora, Spotify etc could decide to implement it or not
[doublepost=1518291566][/doublepost]Or Apple could use it to further isolate Apple Music from the competition, if eq were only available on Apple Music then that might be a reason to subscribe...... as is I’m already paying for prime so it seems redundant to pay for another service
 

cynics

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Have any HomePod owners given it a good test with classical or symphonic music? I’m hoping it’s not just made for pop music.

I enjoy more modern types of symphonic music (classical not so much) however it’s great for testing speaker quality due to the wide very distinctive range of instruments.

The HomePods performance is relative. I would say it’s “ok” overall. But for its size and product class it’s very good.

Like all audio equipment there are compromises, cost, audio fidelity, amount of space they do or don’t need, power use, volume quality, directionality, etc etc...

If you want to be like the Maxell guy with max volume, lamp shades blowing off, etc but want a single Wi-Fi speaker I would consider a Sonos 5 Play or equivalent.

However if you want more of a room filling experience at lower volumes the HomePod will provide that.
 

tubular

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Not that anybody asked, but here's a tagging system I've found very helpful for my library (sitting on a music server wired to my router).

Name = movement
Album = work
Artist = performer

Then I make sure the Composer and Sort Composer fields are consistent (and empty for non-classical tracks). In theory it means I've clobbered the "actual" album information -- the truly crucial fact that when I bought this here particular recording of Shostakovich's 15th Symphony on disc 25 or so years ago, it was paired with another Shostakovich work performed by another orchestra to fill out the disk. Carrying that crucial bit of knowledge forward strikes me as a bit like being unable to mention Humphrey Bogart without mentioning who Humphrey Bogart's next door neighbor was in 1942.

Then when I open the Remote app on an iPad (or my phone) I see a consistent, alphabetized list of composers; selecting one gives me an alphabetized list of the composer's works. (The only flaw is that Remote doesn't distinguish between two different recordings of the same work, so e.g. under Satie's Gnossiennes I'll have six tracks, three of them harp transcriptions and then three on piano.)

To make this work, my server can't be logged into its Apple account, since *their* metadata vomits all over *my* metadata for any track I've purchased from them, which is my central beef with the Apple music ecosystem. Even though I don't have the tracks downloaded, if I'm logged in, then songwriters for every track I've purchased appear in my Composers list, which is an awful lot of chum when you're talking about a 50-song collection of the greatest hits of George Formby. (Log out and it turns out nice again. That is probably the only George Formby joke you'll read all year.)

Because I am Astoundingly Neurotic About Libraries (abbreviated "A.N.A.L."), for the big box sets I created pseudo-album-cover JPEGs giving the name of the composer. This kept me from having to hunt down 80 different images for the 80 discs in the Big Ol' Bernstein Box or 51 for the Emerson String Quartet. I've recently reripped some of these big boxes losslessly to get ready for the HomePod, and whomped up a Python hack to copy over the metadata from my lossy rips of the same tracks to keep from hand-entering about three thousand tracks of data.

Apple has their recommended tagging style guide, by the way, but it's trying to hit several targets at once -- iTunes local, iTunes store, streaming, and discovery, with the result that there's a lot of redundant information, since (among other things) the digital music world congealed in its present form before there was a Composer tag.

To close the loop, using the HomePod as an Airplay speaker from my music server's iTunes means that, although I can't use Siri to select my music, I've still got a nice, indexed way to get to what I want quickly. And all it took was a vast amount of metadata work.
 
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8CoreWhore

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An interesting experiment would be to kill all internet connections out of the house, then Airplay music from the iPhone to Homepod and see what happens.
 

tubular

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I tried it; you lose Siri but can still use the HomePod as an Airplay speaker.
 

Traverse

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I listen to the official Kingdom Hearts orchestra concert. It sounds good to me. Had to adjust because all of the instruments are much more separated and distinguished than with AirPods.
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a 1962 recording I have in my iTunes library (ripped from CD to Apple Lossless). The sound is excellent.

So is mine, but keep in mind if you’re streaming your iCloud Music Library it has been compressed to 256 kbps and if you’re airplaying then it is also compressed I believe.

Not that it makes a difference. I’m sure any subtle differences would be indistinguishable on the HomePod.
 
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