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Oh please, that's ridiculous.

XP can be great if you know how to maintain it, and Windows is not the only OS you can use on a PC. All the Mac's have going for them are OS X and Applecare.

You could argue design too, but then some ASUS and Sony laptops are beautiful too.
 
Oh please, that's ridiculous.

XP can be great if you know how to maintain it, and Windows is not the only OS you can use on a PC. All the Mac's have going for them are OS X and Applecare.

You could argue design too, but then some ASUS and Sony laptops are beautiful too.

I don't agree that XP is great - it's cumbersome, in your face, ugly GUI and a real nuisance when something goes wrong. I think it's pretty awful actually, though probably not as bad as some would maintain. I think OS x beats windows any day, but hardware-wise there are actually quite a few PC laptops I'd prefer to the beautiful, but delicate, MBP.
 
I dunno I used to enjoy tinkering with XP and you can make it as beautiful as you want, I mean look at this:

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I agree on the hardware front. I find it really annoying that I can get a lighter Sony 13" laptop with discrete graphics, or a 12" Lenovo with GMAX3100.

And honestly, when my PB dies, if Apple don't have an ultraportable I'm going to end up with Linux and a PC.
 
Instead of just listing all of the mbp's features, why not ask what is important to you in a notebook? Not everybody is going to want/need OS X. So, ask about what features he or she wants, and target your sales pitch from that.
 
God knows the only reason I have an Apple is OS X.

Apple computers, especially their laptops have no real difference to regular computers apart from OS X.
 
XP can be great if you know how to maintain it, and Windows is not the only OS you can use on a PC.

And that is a BIG *if* isn't it? ;)

I have been a PC user all my life until September of last year. I am done baby-sitting a crappy OS. Biggest problem with Windows is that it just gets in the way of what you want to do. From the long boot up times to weekly virus and spyware scans to having to defrag once a month, the OS is simply a pain to use.

And on a Mac using VMWare fusion, I can use every OS from DOS and Linux, to Unix and Solaris, Netware and everything in between. Try doing that on your PC :p

To the OP, go to an Apple Store and check out Macs for yourself and decide whether they are worth your purchase. posting here will only result in the thread degrading to a flame war.
 
To the OP, go to an Apple Store and check out Macs for yourself and decide whether they are worth your purchase. posting here will only result in the thread degrading to a flame war.

Well, i think most people here are mac fans, and it would pretty much be a one sided war.
 
And on a Mac using VMWare fusion, I can use every OS from DOS and Linux, to Unix and Solaris, Netware and everything in between. Try doing that on your PC :p

Hell, I have Windows XP/Vista, Linux, and OS X running on my good ole AMD desktop. :p
 
Oh please, that's ridiculous.

XP can be great if you know how to maintain it, and Windows is not the only OS you can use on a PC. All the Mac's have going for them are OS X and Applecare.

You could argue design too, but then some ASUS and Sony laptops are beautiful too.

If this was adressed to me, I think you shouldn't have to maintain your computer. When you buy a fridge, you don't buy at the same time an anti freezing device, and you don't have to do "maintenance" on it every single day. I've been a Windows user since I was a child, until last year, and I've used 50000$ editing workstations. Guess what? With it, we could only do one thing: edit (no internet, nothing else). If we had only wanted to do something else, we'd have to install an antivirus, an antispyware, an anti everything... and then, the editing machine would have been in trouble.

I still have XP installed on my MacBook. And it's a pain in the ass. I need to install lots of things to be able to open quite common documents.

And no, I find Asus and Sony ugly too. In a fashion way, but ugly nonetheless.

Hell, I have Windows XP/Vista, Linux, and OS X running on my good ole AMD desktop. :p

Really? And would you put your work on the OS X partition? Can you actually make it work as well as it would on a Mac with actual professional software? I'm not talking about making it run, I'm saying "work". A crippled or insecure OS is not an option.
 
Really? And would you put your work on the OS X partition? Can you actually make it work as well as it would on a Mac with actual professional software? I'm not talking about making it run, I'm saying "work". A crippled or insecure OS is not an option.

Yup, it's working just fine :)
 
its illegal, but it works just like any regular mac does...its not "quite" as fast, but pretty close, hardware compatibility is hit or miss, but most USB devices work i.e. external sound blaster, most USB wifi cards, as well as the more popular linksys, intel and realtek NICs SATA is an issue though
 
Hell, I have Windows XP/Vista, Linux, and OS X running on my good ole AMD desktop. :p

Try running all those OSes AT THE SAME TIME on your AMD desktop. DOS, Novel Netware, Sun Solaris? Let's talk again once you can do that.
 
Try running all those OSes AT THE SAME TIME on your AMD desktop. DOS, Novel Netware, Sun Solaris? Let's talk again once you can do that.

Alrighty, you show me a screen shot of you doing the same and I'll get right on that :p
 
Try running all those OSes AT THE SAME TIME on your AMD desktop. DOS, Novel Netware, Sun Solaris? Let's talk again once you can do that.

thats what parallels workstation is for...though i havent been able to get it to install OSX yet it keeps giving me an error
 
Oh please, that's ridiculous.

XP can be great if you know how to maintain it, and Windows is not the only OS you can use on a PC. All the Mac's have going for them are OS X and Applecare.

You could argue design too, but then some ASUS and Sony laptops are beautiful too.

I can't disagree with you, but it kind of negates the purpose of owning a PC when you have to be A+ certified to maintain the operating system. Tell me what percentage of the average consumers can do that.
 
thats what parallels workstation is for...though i havent been able to get it to install OSX yet it keeps giving me an error

The average joe computer buyer does not have the time, technical expertise, resources nor the patience to do what you are attempting to do (unsuccessfully so far, at least as it pertains to OS X).

Like I said, let's talk once you can do that properly, easily, quickly, and minimal amount of fiddling.
 
I think this post was not worded correctly. A PC is a personal computer thus the A Mac is a PC. The hardware is the same as 90% of new laptops the only thing that is difrent is the Gfx card/screen rez in most case's.

The question really should be why do you pay the extra cash for OSx? and really your are paying for the hardware MBP around £1000 and the rest say 200 - 300 ish for OSx. Think about it the companys pedling windows preinstalled laptops have deals with MS and get windows for nothing. So this is all down to personal prefrance rather than hardware these days as its runing on the same platform as windows (thus windows runs on apple made PC's).
 
I just moved to a MAC 3 weeks ago, after spending time with Windows from almost 15 years. As an non-apple-fanboy-fanatic, I can tell you that I do like Windows for all it does. And yes, in those 15 years, I have been infected with malware, spyware or Virus just once :) - it really depends on the user, not the OS and their habits :)

That said, the biggest difference I find between Windows and OS X is that I feel OS X is an "engineer designed" operating system. Sure, there's lots of eye candy in terms of design aesthetics and all to please most of them, but I love the way the whole OS has been thought out. Not that Windows is a bad operating system in its own right, but OS X manages to bridge art with engineering better :).
 
Well, I switched 3 months ago from a Dell to a MBP.
I'll leave the build quality and hardware aside.
Just two words about my experience with the OSs.
I use the Mac at home to surf/photo-edit/programming/whatever.
I use a WinXP pc at work for programming (mostly).
The UI is of course far better on OS X, no discussion, every time I go back to XP it feels incredibly old.
But more important, XP is not for multitasking. I am one of those users that has never had a blue screen or virus in the past 5-6 years, this because I pay attention to maintainance. Anyway os x much more responsive with every task.
For example, If I am compiling with VC++ I can barely open firefox, with Os X I can do whatever I want and never have the feeling that the machine is stuck.
 
I think this post was not worded correctly. A PC is a personal computer thus the A Mac is a PC. The hardware is the same as 90% of new laptops the only thing that is difrent is the Gfx card/screen rez in most case's.

The question really should be why do you pay the extra cash for OSx? and really your are paying for the hardware MBP around £1000 and the rest say 200 - 300 ish for OSx.

i havent yet found another mfg to include the 2.4ghz core2 duro, also how many others out there enclose the fastest laptop available, save alienware, in a 1"thin case
 
My 2 cents:

I've been a mac user for as early as I can remember. Started using the Apple II (before the original Macintosh even came out) as a little boy.

For the past 6 years however, I was forced to abandon the Mac and start using Windows based computers for work.

At first it was horrible, felt like going to hell really, but after about 2 years of only using Windows, my fond Mac memories started to fade and Windows XP became "acceptable". I know Windows inside-out now.

In terms of laptops, I have gone from a Dell, to an IBM ThinkPad, to a Lenovo ThinkPad.

Owning a Dell was just about the worst experience ever. Absolutely the worst hardware I ever experienced on a computer (and I've owned quite a few) and pretty much nonexistent customer support (in Europe). At the end I literally had to super glue the case together to keep it from falling apart. Also had the battery go nuts on me (Dell refused to replace it) and my power adapter almost caught fire (Dell: "simple wear and tear"). :mad:

The IBM experience has been MUCH MUCH better. Hardware quality is very good and no horror stories like I experienced with Dell. However, I'm afraid that the ThinkPad quality is seriously suffering from the Lenovo takeover. If you look at the quality to the T42 to the T43 to the T60, it's painfully obvious that Lenovo has cut costs on the parts. The plastic of the case feels thinner and cheaper. Keyboard seems softer, and more and more hardware problems are appearing. Several of my clients are large companies that have standardized on ThinkPads for many years and they are echoing the exact same thing: Quality under Lenovo has gone down. :(

So today I ordered my new MacBook Pro 2.4Ghz 15" and I am soooo exited to go back to the Mac. With VMWare for the Mac I now have the ultimate solution for doing my work: Day-to-day email, surfing, productivity on the Mac, software development, testing and demoing with Ubuntu, Debian and WinXP by using VMWare and Bootcamp. :D

So to make a long story short:
if I HAD to use a PC laptop, I'd probably still get a ThinkPad, but I don;t know for how long. Quality is suffering and this seems to be more of a strategic decision from Lenovo as apposed to temporary QC issues.

...but now that I have a choice, I'm switching back to the Mac:
1. Excellent hardware
2. Even better MacOsX
3. Easy ability to run OsX, Ubuntu and XP at the same time.

Finally:
Someone said earlier that the IBM forums don't have as many complaints about quality issues. I'd like to disagree here. I've been lurking on those forums for some years now and don't see much difference.

Also, I think what it is important to point out is the vastly different nature of ThinkPad users vs Mac users. I'd dare to say that the vast majority of ThinkPad users are corporate users that get a ThinkPad issued to them as part of their job. If somethings wrong, they send it to IT to have it fixed/replaced. IT calls their IBM/Lenovo rep and gets it fixed/replaced very fast.

With Mac users I dare to argue it's the other way around. A large chunk of these users are people that have purchased this computer themselves with their own money. When something goes wrong, they have to solve it by themselves and as a result will generate more postings on these kind of forums.
 
The average joe computer buyer does not have the time, technical expertise, resources nor the patience to do what you are attempting to do (unsuccessfully so far, at least as it pertains to OS X).

Like I said, let's talk once you can do that properly, easily, quickly, and minimal amount of fiddling.

it's quite easy when buying a computer to pick one with Apple supported hardware and then isntall OS X86 on it.

There are no real stability issues - the only issue is hardware support, once installed you can run anything as you do on a 'real' mac.
 
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