I hope they continue to make the touch bar MacBooks.Well sureBut you implied your budget was limited, so my point was that you'll have lots of options! In 2025, the M2 MBP will probably have another 5 years of macOS updates, and certainly be priced <$500.
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How long do the Intel mac's have?
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Pretty sure the new M2 MBP will be the last time we see the Touch Bar.
Apple said it was/is one of their top selling MacBooks. The new Pro's are more expensive and for professional photographers. They are also thicker. I am not a pro photographer and prefer to connect via USB anyways. But the pro photographer prefers a built in SD card slot.One will only hope
As of today, they're still selling Intel "Mac's", namely the Mac Pro and the higher-level Mac mini. By the best current estimates, the Apple Silicon based Mac Pro will come out early next year and given that the expected specs won't exceed the current Mac Pro on all fronts, I wouldn't put it past them to keep selling that one in addition to the new one. But even if they get rid of the old one, I highly, highly doubt that they're going to drop macOS support in 2024 for a machine that was still sold as their absolute top Mac product until early in 2023.
I'd rather expect them to keep current macOS support going for at least about 5 years after they sell their last Intel machine and after that goes away, to still offer security patches for quite some time.
The PowerPC transition happened in the computer Pleistocene under different management, so I wouldn't' base any comparisons on that. The installed base during the Intel one was also much smaller.
I wouldn't worry about this at all.
I'd rather expect them to keep current macOS support going for at least about 5 years after they sell their last Intel machine and after that goes away, to still offer security patches for quite some time.
The PowerPC transition happened in the computer Pleistocene under different management, so I wouldn't' base any comparisons on that. The installed base during the Intel one was also much smaller.
I wouldn't worry about this at all.
Good for two reasons.
1) My current MacBook pro works fine for me and I dont plan to replace it anytime soon.
2) I cant afford a M2 MacBook Pro with the touch bar.
It's one of their top selling MacBooks, not because of the TouchBar, but because of the price point. In Apple's sales numbers, they always include enterprise sales, which include tons of these entry-level MBP models. Basically, corporations buy them by the thousands to distribute to employees via lease.
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Good as I like this type of Mac. It’s also a bit thinner than the other MacBook pros.
June 27th, 2024 your MBP will self-destruct in a Kernel Panic suicide, depressed because it can’t keep up.
All Macs have 7 years of macOS updates and then a further 2 years of security updates from the year they were manufactured.
False.
You’re thinking of hardware support, all Macs purchased new do have 5 years of hardware support and an additional two years of extended support from the day they were discontinued.
macOS is very different, much more unpredictable, and never promised.
Some machines (like the 2007 iMac and the 2010 MacPro) seem to get years and years of software support.
The 2007 iMac went from 10.4 leopard to 10.11 El Capitan. Add on the additional two years of security updates, and it got a full 10 years.
Meanwhile, a product like the 2016 MacBook Pro, one that’s not even a full six years old yet, is already losing support with Ventura.
I think the best way to go about this is to look at exactly what they’re doing right now.
Both iOS 16 and Ventura require a Mac or iOS device released on or after June 2017.
If Apple continues this pattern, then we should see next years update support 2018 and later, the year after support 2019 and later, and the year after that support 2020 and later.
That would put the first all Apple silicon operating system in around 2025/26, depending on their cut off priorities.
Also, there’s a major possibility they don’t stick to the schedule, there have been several versions of iOS and macOS in the past that have retained the exact same support list from their previous version.
Mountain lion, Mavericks, Yosemite, and El Capitan were four versions of macOS in a row that didn’t drop a single device.
Same with iOS 13, 14 and 15.
Safest bet is to use what you have now for as long as you can, and by the time they do start dropping Intel support, you should find apple silicon computers for more affordable prices.
Seeing that they've already killed off the 2016 MacBook Pro 2016 (the ones that debuted the TouchBar), I think sooner rather than later they're going to kill everything Intel-related to focus everything on Apple Silicon. I wouldn't give them more than 2 years for all Intel Macs not to have new versions of macOS.
This is not a five-people operation that can only do one thing at a time. Consider that they're still selling the 2019 Mac Pro in 2022 and most likely until sometime in 2023. You think they will stop supporting that in 2024?
The 2016 MBP is an anecdotal example, yes, but even that wasn't dropped less than 2 years after still being sold as you suggest, but after more than five years, and it's still going to get security updates for at least two years.
I still have a late 2009 iMac running High Sierra and have it on 24/7 and it runs everything I need, at least so far. The only upgrade has been to put 8 gig of memory. Certainly not irritating slow and no problems at all.
That doesn't even get security updates anymore. I wouldn't risk that. You may think you can somehow control it (somebody mentioned proxies in this thread, which are useless if your system wants to hand over its data), but you can't.
Actually my mom bought a MacBook Air in 2017 and apple does not support it.
The 2017 MacBook Air will not get Ventura. But it still will get 2 more years of OS/security support while on Monterey. So to say 'Apple does not support it' is disingenuous.
Yes, but that is definitely the earliest possible estimate. Any year from 2024 on Apple is likely to create the first version of macOS to only run on Apple Silicon.
One reason why I want to buy the M2 MBP when I start my better paying job soon here.
I don't think there will be a 13" M2 Touch Bar MBP. I have the current M1 13" Touch Bar MBP, which I think was filling a particular gap with the initial release of the brand-new M1 series, but now the M2 MacBook Airs pretty much take care of that, so that it is my guess that Apple will drop the 13" Touch Bar MBP at the time they release the new M2 14" and 16" MBPs. They aren't going to continue the Touch Bar in only one machine model and really they no longer need a 13" MBP at all since the MBAs have become so capable.
Sorry, but that is incorrect. Most photographers I know, including myself and whether professional or serious amateur, prefer to use a separate card reader. One reason for this is that memory card formats are changing and in the high-end models of many of today's current DSLRs and Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Cameras (ILC) the memory cards are CF Express Type A and CF Express Type B or other new formats. Also, SD cards have various "speeds" and capacities, too, so that an SD card slot in a computer may become outdated as the cards improve. Since I have cameras which still use SD cards and I have a camera which uses the new CF Express format I have a dual-slot memory card reader, which works out quite nicely regardless of which camera and memory card format I choose on a given day.
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Oops!!! You are right! I don't know how I missed that. Sorry, my mistake! (We need a blushing emoji on here). I guess I have been more focused on the upcoming 14" and 16" M2 MBPs and didn't really pay much attention to the release of the M2 MBAs and the M2 MBP.