How many more beta for ios 9 ????

[lagwagon]

The perception that the number of people going to a forum to complain about something becomes some sort of measuring device for tech issues has to be reassessed. I've known plenty of people who are beginner to average users who after talking to them about some iPhone glitch or bug issue many times will agree and add to the conversation. No, these people don't know about or would ever visit a forum to ask or complain about things. But just because they didn't doesn't mean they don't experience the same things as those who did.

For instance a lot of my friends complained a lot about the change from iOS6 to 7 regarding the brightness, the fonts, the starkness, etc. These were not hard core users or designers, but what they would say to me was very similar to what was said in forums where "only the complainers come". For the most part these people have no time to worry about the things that bothered them or find a way to discuss them. They go about their lives wondering (or bitching!) about the quirky things and just accept them as how an iPhone works.

Because something is mentioned (or complained about) on a forum could have no bearing on how widespread that issue might be, it's just that some people have decided to talk about it and others have not.

The point I was making is that hardly anyone goes to a forum to post praise. There are a lot of people who "lurk" on forums and don't post or even have an account. So all anyone sees is the negative and quickly assume that the software is trash. If it was trash and a total flop there would be a hell of a lot more out of the hundreds of million iPhones being complained about than just the few hundred on a forum.

 

[nordique]

I had an iPhone 5 (bought when it released) when iOS 8 released and I never had issues with it at all. 8.0.1 never took out my cellular connectivity and never was a "jittery" mess. I upgraded to an iPhone 6 right before iOS 8.3 went to beta. And again like my iPhone 5, my 6 has had no issues and continues to have none all throughout iOS 9 beta.

Never had issues with 5 or 5s on iOS 8 when it came out, but I had an iPhone 6 at launch and my experience was terrible on iOS 8, mirroring experiences many of those who were/are critical of iOS 8

A lot of the iOS 8 issues were genuine when users expressed them; but you're right that it didn't affect everyone per se - a few people picked up iPhone 6's with me and they never had any of the issues I had, or they had less issues

I agree iOS 8 is pretty solid now though. But it did have one of the roughest initial releases of an iOS that I can remember - and I'm a big fan of the features iOS 8 brought (quick reply is one of my favourite inclusions in iOS 8).

I've only been an iOS user since iOS 4 though so I can't say if prior releases were equally shaky at launch, but iOS 8 had some serious bugs when it came out that did affect a wide range of people. There's a reason Apple released more updates post-launch than prior iOS releases after all.

I still remember that landscape bug - oh boy, that one was annoying.

 

[oldmacs]

I don't think that we should predict the iPhone launch date based on patterns of betas. Only the first few betas are a few weeks apart, then it goes to about every 3 weeks or every month. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't have a beta 6, as beta 5 seems very stable (so far), and need time to work on the final revision.

That is a scary thought given how slowly iOS 9 seems to run on some hardware (from youtube videos I've seen anyway). Its meant to improve performance not make things worse. Surely it needs another 1 or 2 betas and the GM.

 

[Mlrollin91]

I'm fairly certain we won't be seeing another beta, well for developers. I believe we will see something very similar to last year with iOS 8. We saw 5 betas for developers, and then a 6th for carrier partners for testing. I hope we see a 6th for developers, but I'm not holding my breath. Usually there is a month gap between the final beta and the release of the GM, and thats where we are about right now.

 

[oldmacs]

I'm fairly certain we won't be seeing another beta, well for developers. I believe we will see something very similar to last year with iOS 8. We saw 5 betas for developers, and then a 6th for carrier partners for testing. I hope we see a 6th for developers, but I'm not holding my breath. Usually there is a month gap between the final beta and the release of the GM, and thats where we are about right now.

That means iOS 9 will be a waste of time.. If the main goal was to improve performance, is Apple really going to achieve that without any more betas?

 

[Mlrollin91]

That means iOS 9 will be a waste of time.. If the main goal was to improve performance, is Apple really going to achieve that without any more betas?

Well, in my experience thus far, iOS 9 is way better on my iPad 2 than any version of iOS 8. iOS 7 was better on my iPad 2 for sure, but iOS 9 brought life back to it.

 

[oldmacs]

Well, in my experience thus far, iOS 9 is way better on my iPad 2 than any version of iOS 8. iOS 7 was better on my iPad 2 for sure, but iOS 9 brought life back to it.

Really?? I've read people say iOS 9 is slower for the iPad 2?? Is this the public beta or the dev beta?

 

[lagwagon]

Really?? I've read people say iOS 9 is slower for the iPad 2?? Is this the public beta or the dev beta?

Public beta and dev builds are the same, so it really wouldn't matter. And I wouldn't read too much into the complaints without your own experience. People like to whine because it might not live up to expectations they've created in their head.

Personally I wouldn't assume ALL devices will see the "big" performance gains because Apple said iOS 9 "would" (they most likely gave their performance gain numbers based off the latest devices 6 and air2.) Obviously the newer the device the bigger the gain and vice versa.

Older devices probably won't get much faster than what you see in iOS 8 because of hardware. (Slower 'A' chip and no Metal) Metal being the biggest factor when it comes to animations and such.

 

[oldmacs]

Public beta and dev builds are the same, so it really wouldn't matter. And I wouldn't read too much into the complaints without your own experience. People like to whine because it might not live up to expectations they've created in their head.

Personally I wouldn't assume ALL devices will see the "big" performance gains because Apple said iOS 9 "would" (they most likely gave their performance gain numbers based off the latest devices 6 and air2.) Obviously the newer the device the bigger the gain and vice versa.

Older devices probably won't get much faster than what you see in iOS 8 because of hardware. (Slower 'A' chip and no Metal) Metal being the biggest factor when it comes to animations and such.

I believe that the developer builds can be clean installed, and the public beta can not (OTA only) which is a big difference.

I'm not expecting performance gains, really would just like performance to at LEAST stay the same, especially considering the complete lack of features for the A5 and A6 devices particularly (e.g. there shouldn't be any reason for slower performance).

 

[lagwagon]

I believe that the developer builds can be clean installed, and the public beta can not (OTA only) which is a big difference.

I'm not expecting performance gains, really would just like performance to at LEAST stay the same, especially considering the complete lack of features for the A5 and A6 devices particularly (e.g. there shouldn't be any reason for slower performance).

Sure sometimes clean vs OTA "could" make a difference, but I doubt it's as much as people think it does. It doesn't make OTA automatically worse. I haven't even clean installed in years. The builds themselves are exactly the same between DP and PB.

The bulk of iOS 9's performance gains over 8 rely on Metal. With it finally being used for more than just games. (It's now OS wide.) So that means A7, A8 and soon to be A9 can only take advantage of that.

As far as battery. Take a 4s for example. It's a four year old device. The battery health will be degraded by quite a bit. No code in the world would drastically improve it or even a little.

 

[nj-morris]

That is a scary thought given how slowly iOS 9 seems to run on some hardware (from youtube videos I've seen anyway). Its meant to improve performance not make things worse. Surely it needs another 1 or 2 betas and the GM.

What do you mean? We're on beta 5, and that definitely didn't make things worse. Completely the other way around. So far I'm finding this the most stable beta so far (using the public betas, so I started on beta 3).

 

[oldmacs]

Sure sometimes clean vs OTA "could" make a difference, but I doubt it's as much as people think it does. It doesn't make OTA automatically worse. I haven't even clean installed in years. The builds themselves are exactly the same between DP and PB.

The bulk of iOS 9's performance gains over 8 rely on Metal. With it finally being used for more than just games. (It's now OS wide.) So that means A7, A8 and soon to be A9 can only take advantage of that.

As far as battery. Take a 4s for example. It's a four year old device. The battery health will be degraded by quite a bit. No code in the world would drastically improve it or even a little.

An OTA installation compared to a clean install makes a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference.

Yes sure the performance enhancements should be more so on the A7 and above, however seeing as for example the iPad 2 gets so few new features, it should NOT be slower than iOS 8. iOS 8 is a very poor Operating system, its just not optimised well for anything so iOS 9 (given the lack of features) should have also fixe some of these issues.

 

[oldmacs]

What do you mean? We're on beta 5, and that definitely didn't make things worse. Completely the other way around. So far I'm finding this the most stable beta so far (using the public betas, so I started on beta 3).

What I'm saying is that if people are saying beta 5 is getting close to the final edition, its a bit of a worry, as its slower than iOS 8 on some devices, when it shouldn't be given the fact it has practically no features that would consume any more processing or ram power (for devices that don't have proactive or multitasking).

 

[TommyA6]

Public beta and dev builds are the same, so it really wouldn't matter. And I wouldn't read too much into the complaints without your own experience. People like to whine because it might not live up to expectations they've created in their head.

Personally I wouldn't assume ALL devices will see the "big" performance gains because Apple said iOS 9 "would" (they most likely gave their performance gain numbers based off the latest devices 6 and air2.) Obviously the newer the device the bigger the gain and vice versa.

Older devices probably won't get much faster than what you see in iOS 8 because of hardware. (Slower 'A' chip and no Metal) Metal being the biggest factor when it comes to animations and such.

The thing is even metal supported device have barely any (if any at all)performance enhancements so far. My 6 Plus performs slightly worse on iOS 9 PB, compared to 8.4.
Keyboard rotation in spotlight is still choppy, 10 fps, app switcher is also choppy when returning to an app etc.

 

[Mlrollin91]

Really?? I've read people say iOS 9 is slower for the iPad 2?? Is this the public beta or the dev beta?

Public Beta. Don't get me wrong, its not perfect, I still encounter lag and crashes, but its nothing compared to iOS 8. 8.3 was the best version of iOS 8 on my iPad 2, but nothing compares to iOS 7. My girlfriend still has iOS 7 on her iPad 2, so I use that for benchmarks against each other.

 

[oldmacs]

Public Beta. Don't get me wrong, its not perfect, I still encounter lag and crashes, but its nothing compared to iOS 8. 8.3 was the best version of iOS 8 on my iPad 2, but nothing compares to iOS 7. My girlfriend still has iOS 7 on her iPad 2, so I use that for benchmarks against each other.

Well I hope it is better than iOS 8. iOS 8 on my iPad 2 is ok, 8.4 is ok, not great. My Dad's iPad 2 is still on iOS 7 as well

What I've seen is lag in opening apps that wasn't in iOS 8.

 

[C DM]

An OTA installation compared to a clean install makes a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference.

Yes sure the performance enhancements should be more so on the A7 and above, however seeing as for example the iPad 2 gets so few new features, it should NOT be slower than iOS 8. iOS 8 is a very poor Operating system, its just not optimised well for anything so iOS 9 (given the lack of features) should have also fixe some of these issues.

For some it makes a difference for plenty of others who have been doing OTA for a long time and have things working just fine it doesn't really make much of a difference.

 

[oldmacs]

For some it makes a difference for plenty of others who have been doing OTA for a long time and have things working just fine it doesn't really make much of a difference.

I would agree that it differs from person to person, but I'm yet to see a case where an iOS device with a clean install doesn't run better than an OTA install. Perhaps the newer devices cope much better.

Even bigger is the difference between a restore (and no restore from backup) and an OTA installation with a backup.

 

[AZhappyjack]

For those complaining that the latest betas (DB5 and PB3) still lag from time to time or on intensive ops, you need to realize that these beta releases still contain trace logic, diagnostics, etc. These tools do impact the overall performance of the release, and they will be removed in the GM release. So there's that.

 

[oldmacs]

For those complaining that the latest betas (DB5 and PB3) still lag from time to time or on intensive ops, you need to realize that these beta releases still contain trace logic, diagnostics, etc. These tools do impact the overall performance of the release, and they will be removed in the GM release. So there's that.

Would they make every app load slow? I've seen a lot of videos where there is a noticeable delay after you tap an app icon, where it goes black then the app loads...

 

[AZhappyjack]

Would they make every app load slow? I've seen a lot of videos where there is a noticeable delay after you tap an app icon, where it goes black then the app loads...

I don't know specifically what kind of code traces (or where in the OS that they've activated them), but, yes it could. The traces and diagnostics could be throughout the code and be used to identify areas where the code could be tightened up, and/or they could be focused on what Apple has identified as problem areas where they are trying to identify info and exterminate perceived bugs. The fact that these are beta releases pretty much guarantees that there is still active diagnostic code in the software.

I also suspect that the extra diagnostic code is negatively affecting battery life. Not sure how much of an impact it has, but it's definitely greater than zero.

 

[VSMacOne]

An OTA installation compared to a clean install makes a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference.

Yes sure the performance enhancements should be more so on the A7 and above, however seeing as for example the iPad 2 gets so few new features, it should NOT be slower than iOS 8. iOS 8 is a very poor Operating system, its just not optimised well for anything so iOS 9 (given the lack of features) should have also fixe some of these issues.

Not in my experience. And when I have any issues after an OTA update, a Reset All Settings usually clears all of them up.

 

[oldmacs]

Not in my experience. And when I have any issues after an OTA update, a Reset All Settings usually clears all of them up.

I guess experiences are different but i've had so many clients update their iPads and iPhones OTA and then have huge performance issues. A clean install almost always fixes it up.

 

[VSMacOne]

I guess experiences are different but i've had so many clients update their iPads and iPhones OTA and then have huge performance issues. A clean install almost always fixes it up.

Try the Reset All Settings trick. That way no data gets erased.

 

[chekz0414]

I don't think there will be another beta. GM will be out in less than a month. I think the Pull Down Spotlight lag needs to be fixed on the 6 Plus but that's about it.