How Microsoft is lowering RAM usage in Windows 8 (1GB requirement for Win8)

[AppleScruff1]

No. He's one of the most incompetent CEOs in recent memory. He's being paid to run MS into the ground. Delusion and denial. It just affects some (like RIM, HP, Palm) quite a bit sooner than others.

Salaries are not proportional to ability and achievement in corporate America, unfortunately.

Microsoft's profits have doubled since he took over. That's really running the company into the ground. And all that matters is profit, right? Oh, I forgot, that only counts when it's Apple. Windows 7 was under his watch, yea, that's a total failure. Your analysis is what is incompetent. Talk about delusion.

 

[KingCrimson]

Well he certainly isn't doing a very good job of running the company into the ground, so I agree he's incompetent in that respect. I've also fixed your post (see the bold) to reflect reality. Honestly, if he was doing a bad job they would have gotten rid of him. The only delusion I see is in your posts.

If anything Ballmer is mostly guilty for not being Steve Jobs. That seems to be THE crime that all CEOs are guilty of according to *LTD*.

 

[*LTD*]

If anything Ballmer is mostly guilty for not being Steve Jobs. That seems to be THE crime that all CEOs are guilty of according to *LTD*.

Which is a definite problem.

That's right, the price of poker just went up and most CEOs aren't even fit to sit at the table. Their loss, and especially the consumers'.

 

[flopticalcube]

All that matters is shareholder return. In that regard, Ballmer has been a failure. If it weren't for their 3% divi, MSFT would be about 1/3 of where it was when B took over rather than 1/2.

 

[boss.king]

Which is a definite problem.

That's right, the price of poker just went up and most CEOs aren't even fit to sit at the table. Their loss, and especially the consumers'.

By that logic Apple is in just as much trouble. In the real world however, there are many different styles of leadership that can be successful. You can huff and puff about Ballmer all day long but the fact is he is leading MS just fine. Not as well as Steve lead Apple, but that's not the minimum requirement. You can cling to Apple and preach brand purity all you want, but you'll be the one missing out, not us.

 

[KeriJane]

So is the "Lowered RAM Usage" going to make Windows8 anything other than a total catastrophe?

I mean, Win2, Win4 and Win6 were pretty catastrophic and it seems likely that 8 is going to bomb just on this statistic.

Personally, I have no love for 3,5 or 7 either but at least the odd-numbered catastrophes sold reasonably well and have quite a few people fooled into thinking that is how a computer should operate.


I feel LTD is being very reasonable and tolerant of the incompetent frauds and thieves at MS.

Just because someone "earns" a lot of money doesn't mean that they're any good.
Just because MS "Doubled Profits" after the Vista Debacle doesn't mean that their core products are any good or aren't in danger of losing a big chunk of market share to vastly superior yet cheaper alternatives.

Steve Ballmer is the best Apple Operative planted in Microsoft yet!

Just check out the Ballmer videos on YouTube... He was wrong about iPhone, wrong about iPads/tablets, wrong about the app store, he runs around the stage screaming exactly like a deranged idiot and babbles like a moron with a single-digit IQ...

Could you work under this guy with a straight face?

Would you invite him over for dinner? Other than for comic relief?

 

[KingCrimson]

Which is a definite problem.

That's right, the price of poker just went up and most CEOs aren't even fit to sit at the table. Their loss, and especially the consumers'.

What's most revolting is your worshipful attitude. I can tell by it that you have never run a business or ever will.

 

[ChazUK]

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So is the "Lowered RAM Usage" going to make Windows8 anything other than a total catastrophe?

I mean, Win2, Win4 and Win6 were pretty catastrophic and it seems likely that 8 is going to bomb just on this statistic.

Personally, I have no love for 3,5 or 7 either but at least the odd-numbered catastrophes sold reasonably well and have quite a few people fooled into thinking that is how a computer should operate.


I feel LTD is being very reasonable and tolerant of the incompetent frauds and thieves at MS.

Just because someone "earns" a lot of money doesn't mean that they're any good.
Just because MS "Doubled Profits" after the Vista Debacle doesn't mean that their core products are any good or aren't in danger of losing a big chunk of market share to vastly superior yet cheaper alternatives.

Steve Ballmer is the best Apple Operative planted in Microsoft yet!

Just check out the Ballmer videos on YouTube... He was wrong about iPhone, wrong about iPads/tablets, wrong about the app store, he runs around the stage screaming exactly like a deranged idiot and babbles like a moron with a single-digit IQ...

Could you work under this guy with a straight face?

Would you invite him over for dinner? Other than for comic relief?

Its obvious that yourself and LTD share the same bias so no wonder you agree with LTD.

As a Windows 7 (alongside Linux and Mac OS X) user, can you explain to me how I have been " fooled into thinking that is how a computer should operate"?

With such a vague (I'd go so far as saying nonsensical) statement, I'd love for you to show all of us the light.

I'm not a fan of Ballmer but as a company I feel that Microsoft are putting out some of their best products in my lifetime. XBOX and XBOX Live have gone from zero to possibly the strongest gaming platform out there, Windows 7 seems to have been positively received by its users and Windows Phone 7 is unique, fresh and has a small but loyal following at the moment.

If Windows 8 can build upon the strengths of Windows 7 then I have no doubt it'll be a winner.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

There will be Win8 tablets on ARM, Core i3/i5. But there is no way a manufacturer can make a profit on a Core i3 tablet at $499 for 16GB WiFi version. They would be forced to sell it at $599 and nobody is going to pay that for a 16GB WiFi tablet when the iPad $499 price point sets the standard.

Not true at all. A $500 pad is an overpriced toy (IMO). A $500 PC (or Mac) is useful. A $600 touch-screen, ultra-mobile PC, is even more useful. One runs a full OS, the other runs a mobile OS.

 

[*LTD*]

What's most revolting is your worshipful attitude.

Talent and vision is in short supply in this industry. Worship that as much and as far as possible. Steve Jobs just happened to have a massive surplus of it, which to whatever degree pervades most of Apple.

Draw attention to it at every turn. It's the only thing that's actually worthy of it.

I can tell by it that you have never run a business or ever will.

Recognizing the competent ones is more that enough for me. Applauding the truly visionary, is just gravy. No one ever got in trouble for picking the winning horse.

 

[Hellhammer]

I wish I were a bigger Halo fan or whatever. I don't really envision myself fragging zombies anymore or fishing **** out of a high-polygon count toilet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLpOf9dQbtM.) Or jumping around in front of wall-mounted cameras. Is that my loss? Perhaps.

Two and a half months ago you had no problem with Dead Space:

What's this farm and carrots game? Sounds cool.

I probably never heard of it because I was too busy playing Dead Space on my iPhone 4 and iPad. Sadly, it doesn't have any carrots.

The problem here seems to be that Halo is not available for iOS.

 

[*LTD*]

Two and a half months ago you had no problem with Dead Space:



The problem here seems to be that Halo is not available for iOS.

The issue isn't games. It's the device. What am I going to do with a gaming console?

 

[roadbloc]

The issue isn't games. It's the device.

Why wasn't the Pippin a success then? It didn't have many games, but the device was pretty damn powerful for it's time.

Oh wait.. it failed because of it's lack of games.

What am I going to do with a gaming console?

I'm not an expert, but I think you play games on a gaming console.

 

[*LTD*]

I'm not an expert, but I think you play games on a gaming console.

Exactly.

The point being that Apple devices address and redefine broad markets, causing sea-changes industry-wide, from gaming to all forms of productivity. An iPad is probably the most nimble and useful device currently on the market. iPads are for everyone - from airlines to hospitals, From CEOs to grandma. The choice is becoming tablet vs. notebook.

Gaming consoles are not for non-gamers. Shooters were cool when I was 16. Some of us have grown up (while games have become increasingly juvenile.)

So while MS' alleged vertical integration between Xbox and Kinect is impressive, it's virtually meaningless outside of beheading zombie-Nazis (or Nazi-zombies?) It also has done absolutely nothing for their tablet platform (next-gen computing), which is still non-existent after nearly two years, apart from a couple of notable embarrassments. It has also done nothing for their smartphone platform (probably even more key than a tablet platform), which no one really noticed when it was released, and which no one seems to care about even after a year. All it is right now is superfluity in a saturated market.

 

[neiltc13]

This topic started as a technical discussion about Windows. Why did it turn into a CEO slagging fest and a discussion about games consoles

 

[yg17]

This topic started as a technical discussion about Windows. Why did it turn into a CEO slagging fest and a discussion about games consoles

Because LTD never misses a chance to trash other companies who dare compete with the allmighty Apple. I wish he'd stay out of these threads, adults are trying to have a discussion.

 

[KeriJane]

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Its obvious that yourself and LTD share the same bias so no wonder you agree with LTD.

As a Windows 7 (alongside Linux and Mac OS X) user, can you explain to me how I have been " fooled into thinking that is how a computer should operate"?

With such a vague (I'd go so far as saying nonsensical) statement, I'd love for you to show all of us the light.

I'm not a fan of Ballmer but as a company I feel that Microsoft are putting out some of their best products in my lifetime. XBOX and XBOX Live have gone from zero to possibly the strongest gaming platform out there, Windows 7 seems to have been positively received by its users and Windows Phone 7 is unique, fresh and has a small but loyal following at the moment.

If Windows 8 can build upon the strengths of Windows 7 then I have no doubt it'll be a winner.

Point #1- Thank You. LTD is always right as I see it. I'm proud to share "LTD's Bias" as you put it. The question to me is, why so many here in an Apple-specific forum have a Pro-Microsoft bias. I came here to get away from MS.

Point #2- So a pricey, bug-ridden, viri-prone, slow and unstable OS is acceptable to you? I'd rather use a command-line OS and I'm really bad at the command line. Yes, I know Win7 is the "best Windows OS yet".

Point #3- The point of this thread is about MS's latest catastrophic attempt at an OS having a reduction in RAM usage. I asked if this was likely to improve their dismal chances of having an even-numbered release succeed. I only made a light rebuttal in passing of several vehemently pro-MS posts that had nothing to do with the original topic.

Point #4- OK, so MS is doing well in the game console market and has a pitifully small share of the phone market despite massive expenditures. What has this got to do with their core products, namely Windows8?

Point #5- "If win8 can build upon the "success" of Win7 it'll be a winner? You're joking, right?


Thanks for the LTD comparison. I'll wear it with pride. I may even work it into my sig.

 

[roadbloc]

Point #1- Thank You. LTD is always right as I see it. I'm proud to share "LTD's Bias" as you put it. The question to me is, why so many here in an Apple-specific forum have a Pro-Microsoft bias. I came here to get away from MS.

Ever considered that everyone else isn't Pro-Microsoft but actually have a fairly balanced view on the industry, unlike yourself and *LTD* who are bias?

Spare me the "I'm not crazy, everyone else is crazy" argument. Posters like you and *LTD* are clearly in the minority for a reason. I like Windows 7. Does that make me Pro-Microsoft? No. Because I also like my iPhone. The same goes for everyone else you're calling 'Pro-Microsoft.' Just because they have something nice to say for the company or one of their products, doesn't make them an Apple hater. Unlike yourself, you are clearly bias towards Apple.

 

[yg17]

Point #1- Thank You. LTD is always right as I see it. I'm proud to share "LTD's Bias" as you put it. The question to me is, why so many here in an Apple-specific forum have a Pro-Microsoft bias. I came here to get away from MS.

Because there is no rule that says you can't be pro-Apple and pro-Microsoft. The two are not mutually exclusive. It's not like being pro-Democrat and pro-Republican at the same time, which would be impossible given the opposing viewpoints of both. But it's quite possible to like and use products both companies put out.

If you want to get away from MS and don't want to support them, throw your computer in the garbage and move to Amish country, because Microsoft products are all around you and likely powering your internet service provider and a good majority of the websites you visit and companies whose products you purchase, even Apple.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Ever considered that everyone else isn't Pro-Microsoft but actually have a fairly balanced view on the industry, unlike yourself and *LTD* who are bias?

Spare me the "I'm not crazy, everyone else is crazy" argument. Posters like you and *LTD* are clearly in the minority for a reason. I like Windows 7. Does that make me Pro-Microsoft? No. Because I also like my iPhone. The same goes for everyone else you're calling 'Pro-Microsoft.' Just because they have something nice to say for the company or one of their products, doesn't make them an Apple hater. Unlike yourself, you are clearly bias towards Apple.

Because there is no rule that says you can't be pro-Apple and pro-Microsoft. The two are not mutually exclusive. It's not like being pro-Democrat and pro-Republican at the same time, which would be impossible given the opposing viewpoints of both. But it's quite possible to like and use products both companies put out.

If you want to get away from MS and don't want to support them, throw your computer in the garbage and move to Amish country, because Microsoft products are all around you and likely powering your internet service provider and a good majority of the websites you visit and companies whose products you purchase, even Apple.

Two excellent posts from obvious rational thinkers. It's good to have balance. A few here could learn from that.

 

[Eidorian]

This topic started as a technical discussion about Windows. Why did it turn into a CEO slagging fest and a discussion about games consoles

I guess we will just have to wait for the next blog post for Windows 8 and the next thread...

I want new hardware with that more than anything else.

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

Which is a definite problem.

That's right, the price of poker just went up and most CEOs aren't even fit to sit at the table. Their loss, and especially the consumers'.

I hope that you are not banking on Apple growing like this indefinitely. Steve wasn't -- I don't know why anyone else would.

However, Apple raised the bar for combining functionality, ease of use, and battery life on portable electronic devices, and if you are saying consumers accustomed to this are going to be impatient with clunky devices with short battery life -- you are correct.

 

[MacHamster68]

Here the ideal device for windows8 , which at least in my opinion is just like OSX Lion more suitable for a touchscreen
a Tablet with core i5 same hardware as in the ultrabooks basically, with docking station, keyboard ... in my opinion even more interesting then the ultrabooks and no it does not look like a iPad and is much more powerful and comes from Samsung
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8-K1ELv6DE&feature=relmfu

 

[KingCrimson]

Here the ideal device for windows8 , which at least in my opinion is just like OSX Lion more suitable for a touchscreen
a Tablet with core i5 same hardware as in the ultrabooks basically, with docking station, keyboard ... in my opinion even more interesting then the ultrabooks and no it does not look like a iPad and is much more powerful and comes from Samsung
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8-K1ELv6DE&feature=relmfu

That's a good demo - because it shows how you can convert a touche-based Windows 8 tablet into a desktop PC. Truly post-PC era!

 

[Eidorian]

Microsoft appears to be addressing the concerns over the Metro UI for the Beta and is listening to suggestions. This is somewhat contrary to some earlier posts on feedback.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/11/reflecting-on-your-comments-on-the-start-screen.aspx