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In the Netherlands we also pay approx € 500 more than people pay in the US
Flying there for approx €500 and pick one up seems not worth the hassle.
Why we have to pay this Apple-tax in Europe remains the question.

Base model:
USA $ 4.999 ex tax
approx. € 4.089

NL € 5.497,91 incl tax
ex tax = € 4.543 = approx. $ 5.553,45
 
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Personally I would not go to the trouble of importing - the bottom line is Apple shouldn't be ripping us off.

I doubt they read threads like this, but if there was a viable competitor to Apple I would jump to them in a heartbeat, because Apple have been taking the p for too long.
 
Well, Apple can't control your local taxes, VAT, and currency conversion. Think of it this way.... all the "free" medical care you're getting over there for your tax £££. :rolleyes:
 
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Well, Apple can't control your local taxes, VAT, and currency conversion. Think of it this way.... all the "free" medical care you're getting over there for your tax £££. :rolleyes:
Apple often charge more than the tax difference.

Also, the pound has recovered some of its value relative to the dollar since it dropped in 2016. Apple were quick to raise the price to readjust it but have been slow to fix that following the recovery.
 
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Well, Apple can't control your local taxes, VAT, and currency conversion. Think of it this way.... all the "free" medical care you're getting over there for your tax £££. :rolleyes:

Nothing to do with taxes, you pay taxes and import fees there too. It's long been known that companies rip us off here in the UK - because they can - not because they must. Their most common excuse is that we have so many languages here in Europe. Hello, we speak English! :rolleyes:

And yeah, it's great we are a civilised country that offers everyone health care. It's also great that people (and cops!) here don't go around shooting/murdering others like you do over there as well! ;)
 
It’s more expensive but includes 20% tax we pay £4800 tax included. If they paid tax at that rate in America it would be $6000. At today’s exchange rate that would be £4316, so around 480 pounds more for us in the UK a 10% premium.

Hey that’s life if we exported anything anymore i’m Sure the situation would be the same for those buying British goods abroad
 
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90% of the target audience for this machine will claim the tax back anyway... Its most likely a business purchase.
 
On Apple UK Website today.
Imac Pro 4899 pounds including 817 pounds VAT
Imac cost 4082 pounds deducting VAT
4082 pounds converted at todays rates $5683.57
$4999 converts to 3590 pounds.
Sales taxes in US are calculated differently in every state, city, county with some charging no sales tax at all
MY local rate 8.5%
Imac Pro $4999. plus $424.94 Sales Tax equals $5483.57
So a before tax difference of 492 pounds or $685
Now why the difference, a large part, in my opinion:
Apple Products and Consumer Laws
in the United Kingdom

Under consumer laws in the UK, consumers are entitled to a free of charge repair or replacement, discount or refund by the seller, of defective goods or goods which do not conform with the contract of sale. For goods purchased in England or Wales, these rights expire six years from delivery of the goods and for goods purchased in Scotland, these rights expire five years from delivery of the goods.

You really didn't think this was free did you?
 
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Anyway my question is how much do you folks in the US pay for a base model iMac Pro once you add tax?
As noted, we don't pay a 20% VAT tax, and we actually have some locations that have zero sales tax. I'm sure if you work the numbers out, that apple is taking advantage of the exchange rate, and I'm not defending that but I'm of the opinion that its not a huge dispararity
 
Under consumer laws in the UK, consumers are entitled to a free of charge repair or replacement, discount or refund by the seller, of defective goods or goods which do not conform with the contract of sale. For goods purchased in England or Wales, these rights expire six years from delivery of the goods and for goods purchased in Scotland, these rights expire five years from delivery of the goods.

You really didn't think this was free did you?


That it's free to get the product you pay for and not a defective product or a product that doesn't conform to the specifications of what you purchased?.... I kinda thought that was implied in the agreement of the purchase. If I sell you a biscuit, and I then vomit and say "There you go. That's the biscuit I had this morning"; Well, I don't see how that should be OK. – This law doesn't say that I'm entitled to give you a new biscuit if you drop it, or it crumbles when you eat it, because that's not about the biscuit being defective. That's normal use.

I think a more reasonable explanation is that Apple's headquarters are in the US, so they have more expenses from facilities and employees (Of course they also have local employees, but they have more in the US), and they'd like to bring a large portion of the money they earn in the UK back to the US, which incurs taxation on the money they bring back, so they shift that expenditure to the customers.
 
That it's free to get the product you pay for and not a defective product or a product that doesn't conform to the specifications of what you purchased?.... I kinda thought that was implied in the agreement of the purchase. If I sell you a biscuit, and I then vomit and say "There you go. That's the biscuit I had this morning"; Well, I don't see how that should be OK. – This law doesn't say that I'm entitled to give you a new biscuit if you drop it, or it crumbles when you eat it, because that's not about the biscuit being defective. That's normal use.

I think a more reasonable explanation is that Apple's headquarters are in the US, so they have more expenses from facilities and employees (Of course they also have local employees, but they have more in the US), and they'd like to bring a large portion of the money they earn in the UK back to the US, which incurs taxation on the money they bring back, so they shift that expenditure to the customers.
Uhh, What?
 
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You said that the consumer law in the UK is why the iMac Pro is more expensive. I pointed out the fallacy that that'd only be the case if Apple plans on selling defective machines, or machines that aren't what the customer ordered, otherwise the law doesn't apply
Well I said a large part of the cost difference, any warranty is insurance against unknown risk. I find going by the legal description of UK consumer laws on Apple UK is easier than talking about vomiting biscuits.
 
Well I said a large part of the cost difference, any warranty is insurance against unknown risk. I find going by the legal description of UK consumer laws on Apple UK is easier than talking about vomiting biscuits.

Sometimes analogies strengthen explanations. But I guess not in this case ;)

But surely US law also dictates that if you buy a Mac from Apple and they give you a potato that the problem lies with Apple. Cause that's just what this law says. You're entitled to a properly functioning version of the purchased product. That's all.
 
Think of it this way.... all the "free" medical care you're getting over there for your tax £££.



Under consumer laws in the UK, consumers are entitled to a free of charge repair or replacement, discount or refund by the seller, of defective goods or goods which do not conform with the contract of sale. For goods purchased in England or Wales, these rights expire six years from delivery

Happy to trade my low price iMac and 1 year warranty and 0% vat equivalent and $1500* a month healthcare (plus deductible) in exchange for your 20% vat and 6 year warranty and NHS.

Any takers?


* two people
 
Australia, huh?

Threads like this are even more frustrating when they appear on Australian forums, because the local currency is also the "dollar."

So, innocent commenters, usually young (I'm not being ageist, just that they haven't had much travel experience yet), will comment things like:

"OMG! HomePod is $349 in America but $499 in Australia. RIPOFF!"

And then those of us who can bothered have to patiently explain...

Sales tax varies state by state and city by city in the US. It can be anything from 0% in Oregon to 8.5% in the city of San Francisco, and is usually not advertised in the list price.

So if you walk into the Apple Store Union Square in San Francisco, you'll actually pay $368.66 USD.

Sales tax (GST) is a flat 10% throughout Australia and by law must be included in the listed retail price, so the base price is usually adjusted to make a nice neat retail price. Without tax, $499 is $453.64.

Getting closer. Then the exchange rate applies.

Currently, one Australian dollar is worth around 80 US cents, (1.00 AUD = 0.80 USD), but varies day to day, week to week, month to month, depending on so many factors it would take an economics textbook just to list them, such as economic strength, monetary policy, currency trading, and whether certain presidents shoot their mouth off and contradict their own treasurer about future intentions, sending one currency up or down relative to their other. The AUD is been on a rise lately, but there's no guarantee it will continue to.

When a new product such as the HomePod hits the market, Apple typically prices it in the local currency according to something like a 30 day moving average, probably also with a small margin to allow for future currency fluctuations or to help cover a local required-by-law 2 year warranty.

So, say Apple worked out the average exchange rate over the past month had been around 0.78, with a 0.01 margin just in case it drops back again (or the local required-by-law 2 year warranty), then using 0.77 as the exchange rate, they'd calculate the Australian price of the HomePod:

$349 USD divided by 0.77 exchange rate + 10% local tax = $498.57 AUD.

Let's call it $499, shall we.

Now, if the USD/AUD exchange rate varies drastically over the next 6 months, it could make the HomePod look more expensive ("ripoff") or cheap relative to other countries. Both situations can and do happen. For a while, Australia was the cheapest place to buy an iPod, and conversely, at times the most expensive place to buy a Mac Pro.

For the iMac Pro, the local price was set well over a month ago when the Australian dollar was weaker, but even so the above calculation makes it look fair value:

$4999 USD divided by 0.77 exchange rate + 10% local tax = $7141.42 AUD.

The actual retail price is $7299. Hardly a ripoff.

Apple prefers not to change prices on a day to day basis, so the longer the product has been on the market, the more the expected cost will diverge. (If it gets cheap enough that you could jump on a plane and buy a suitcase full of Apple products to resell in the US, then Apple will indeed adjust the price -- my Mac Pro changed price 3 times in the 4 years I've owned it, that's an extreme case though as usually the same product doesn't stay on the market unchanged for that long.)

TLDR; No, you're not getting ripped off.
 
American prices don’t have their version of VAT added on, so it’s a bit deceptive.

It’s a bit like eating out in the US. Tipping is mandatory over there so menu prices are deceptive too.

Why can’t they just add the VAT and mandatory tip to the advertised price? Because that’s the American way. Under exaggerate when it suits, and over exaggerate when it suits too.
There is no tipping required at Jimmy John's
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Well, Apple can't control your local taxes, VAT, and currency conversion. Think of it this way.... all the "free" medical care you're getting over there for your tax £££. :rolleyes:
Thats a Euro burn right there.

Or maybe a Brexit in the gut.
 
Happy to trade my low price iMac and 1 year warranty and 0% vat equivalent and $1500* a month healthcare (plus deductible) in exchange for your 20% vat and 6 year warranty and NHS.

Any takers?


* two people

If you had used the NHS recently you certainly wouldn’t trade for it, it’s not fit for purpose and will likely be privatised soon anyway.
 
If you had used the NHS recently you certainly wouldn’t trade for it, it’s not fit for purpose and will likely be privatised soon anyway.
To be fair that isn’t the fault of the NHS itself, but rather interested parties who’s long term goal is to devalue the NHS so that privatisation looks like an attractive alternative.

But that’s side tracking though... the recent HomePod pricing is better for parity than previous hardware so maybe we will see a price readjustment with new Macs in March-June?
 
1. People in the UK don't see what we are paying for sales tax in any given state which varies from 0 - 10% of the USD listed price.

2. EU consumer laws essentially forces Apple to give you near AppleCare+ quality warranty. So add AppleCare+ to our price + 10% of that (sales tax).

https://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/products/warranty-edition-row-english.html

If you dont feel AppleCare+ is equivalent then the consumer laws need to be addressed because Apple has been fined for offering you what they offer us.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/news-to-know-italy-fines-apple-sweary-siri-new-year-cell-service/

3. As we all know Apple likes to minimize taxes where ever they can to the brink (and sometimes extending beyond) of the law. VAT makes this more difficult. Apple pays more, you pay more.

4. Other misc things like exchange rates and cost of conversion.

5. This isn't JUST Apple. I'm looking at Dell's US and UK webpage.

Dell's UK store
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Dell's US store
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Actually, isn't that even worse? Maybe that was luck of the draw but the first place I check is "ripping you off" MORE than Apple who is apparently well known for it.

Grass is always greener. But if a UK resident would like I will not only pay the VAT on an iMac Pro I will pay for the entire thing, shipped with AppleCare+ to your house. The only thing you'll need to do is pay for all my health care related issues, insurances, prescriptions, hospital, doctors, etc from 2017 which was only several times the cost of an iMac Pro. No? Well can anyone at least explain how I can blame Apple for my health care issues?
 
Base model in the UK is £4,899.00 - which converts to $6,787

Base model in the US is $4,999.00 - which converts to £3,607

That's a massive £1300 ($1800) difference!!!

Anyway my question is how much do you folks in the US pay for a base model iMac Pro once you add tax?

lucky day.... You do not live in Brazil. Here, the base model costs "only" $10,600
 
Anyway my question is how much do you folks in the US pay for a base model iMac Pro once you add tax?

Between the State, County and City I pay a total of 10% in Sales Tax (our version of the VAT) so it would be $5500.

Of course, I would drive down to Portland, Oregon where there is no Sales Tax and buy it at the Apple Store there. :D


Why can’t they just add the VAT...to the advertised price?

Because the Sales Tax (our version of VAT) varies by State, County and City so Apple cannot offer an advertised price with sales tax as it would be unique for each jurisdiction. So instead, Apple calculates it all at checkout time based on the Shipping Address entered.
 
Because the Sales Tax (our version of VAT) varies by State, County and City so Apple cannot offer an advertised price with sales tax as it would be unique for each jurisdiction. So instead, Apple calculates it all at checkout time based on the Shipping Address entered.
Yes I understand that there are different levels of tax depending on state etc, but surely even putting “plus tax” after the price would be a helpful indicator.
Even putting “plus 12% tip” OR the monetary cost next to an item on a food menu, would be far helpful.
 
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