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How to get iPhone 3G WITHOUT 3G Data Plan?

How is it that every carrier in the world and on every cellphone the customer can choose what services he wants. Weather thats data, text messages, international calling etc....
And the iphone 3G is the only one requiring mandatory data. That sounds reasonable to you? What if people want to use the iphone without data just like they can with every other cell.
Every customer knows what they signed but if thats unfair/illegal practice over the exclusive device sold by AT&T in the US is debatable and we'll see how long it lasts.
I dont mind paying for it, I have 3G data on my account and I use it daily. But if someone doesnt need/want it they shouldnt be forced into it.
Either pay the $30 of you cant get one.


ec51 said:
There is nothing illegal about enforcing a contract which you voluntarily agreed to. No one forced you to enter into the contract, if you wish to have a 3G and sign the contract, then you agree to the terms & conditions of owning an iPhone 3G with At&t.

You dont want the data plan, dont get a 3G. Or remove it illegally.

But its not illegal to enforce contract terms you agreed to.
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Applejuiced said:
How is it that every carrier in the world and on every cellphone the customer can choose what services he wants. Weather thats data, text messages, international calling etc....
And the iphone 3G is the only one requiring mandatory data. That sounds reasonable to you? What if people want to use the iphone without data just like they can with every other cell.
Every customer knows what they signed but if thats unfair/illegal practice over the exclusive device sold by AT&T in the US is debatable and we'll see how long it lasts.
I dont mind paying for it, I have 3G data on my account and I use it daily. But if someone doesnt need/want it they shouldnt be forced into it.
Either pay the $30 of you cant get one.
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if it was unfair, people wouldnt buy it and at&t would change their policy. if it was illegal, something would have been done by now after almost a year of being on the market. dont like the terms of service, dont buy the phone. pretty simple. nobody is putting a gun to your head.
 
Offcourse noone is forcing anyone, and just by signing a contract and a company mandating it does it make it right?
I doubt it, I still think it should be up to the user to decide but life is not always fair ;)
 
applejuiced, dude just forgot about it.

These provincial people will never understand.
 
nirav464 said:
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how did you go about canceling the data plan?
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I called three weeks ago and informed a representative that I have the new iPhone. I said I want to cancel the data plan and she informed me I would lose visual voice mail. I said not a problem and I also asked for a block of EDGE. She did it without asking ANY questions.
 
ruinfx said:
if it was unfair, people wouldnt buy it and at&t would change their policy. if it was illegal, something would have been done by now after almost a year of being on the market. dont like the terms of service, dont buy the phone. pretty simple. nobody is putting a gun to your head.
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Unfortunately, people weren't informed of these things when they bought the phone and didn't sit and read pages of terms and conditions when they purchased the phone. This is not the norm.
 
Try it and post about your experiences. I'm sure theres plenty of people here, or on the internet that would like that question solved...
 
ruinfx said:
if it was unfair, people wouldnt buy it and at&t would change their policy. if it was illegal, something would have been done by now after almost a year of being on the market. dont like the terms of service, dont buy the phone. pretty simple. nobody is putting a gun to your head.
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ATT pricing is the reason that I have the touch and not the iphone.
 
Gigahurtz said:
Unfortunately, people weren't informed of these things when they bought the phone and didn't sit and read pages of terms and conditions when they purchased the phone. This is not the norm.
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ignorant customer: "i didnt read the contract i signed, so that policy doesnt apply to me."

csr: "oh im so sorry sir, my mistake. we will cancel that data plan for you right away."

thats how the world works right?

Bozley0621 said:
ATT pricing is the reason that I have the touch and not the iphone.
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thats one of the reasons i dont have an iphone as well. i prefer to buy phones that arent sold by at&t for just that reason, so i can have unlimited data for $10/month.
 
ruinfx said:
ignorant customer: "i didnt read the contract i signed, so that policy doesnt apply to me."

csr: "oh im so sorry sir, my mistake. we will cancel that data plan for you right away."

thats how the world works right?



thats one of the reasons i dont have an iphone as well. i prefer to buy phones that arent sold by at&t for just that reason, so i can have unlimited data for $10/month.
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Last time I checked, the CSR is there to inform you of important details, like this. Before you start acting like Mr. AT&T, understand that some people were not informed of this. The fact of the matter is that this is ridiculous and for AT&T to do this to their customers is poor business practice.
 
Gigahurtz said:
Last time I checked, the CSR is there to inform you of important details, like this. Before you start acting like Mr. AT&T, understand that some people were not informed of this. The fact of the matter is that this is ridiculous and for AT&T to do this to their customers is poor business practice.
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im not mr. at&t im mr. informed customer. how long does it take to do some simple research on a product before you buy it? i would never trust anything a sales rep told me.

take some personal responsibility ffs.
 
ec51 said:
There is nothing illegal about enforcing a contract which you voluntarily agreed to. No one forced you to enter into the contract, if you wish to have a 3G and sign the contract, then you agree to the terms & conditions of owning an iPhone 3G with At&t.

You dont want the data plan, dont get a 3G. Or remove it illegally.

But its not illegal to enforce contract terms you agreed to.
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The people who bought them off of ebay or CL never agreed to a contract, so then how is it illegal to remove it? How is it not illegal for them to force charges on you from a contract you never signed? All I can say is I am surprised there hasn't been a class action anti-trust lawsuit filed on this yet that has made some noise.

Plain and simple, not everybody has agreed to their terms. This is no different than being on an old voice plan that gives you more minutes at a cheaper price than the current plans available with fewer minutes and higher prices. I have never agreed to the new plans available so I still get my higher minutes and cheaper plan.
 
Well said.
And I dont remember anywhere AT&T or Apple saying you need a mandatory data plan to purchase the iphone and this is not mentioned in any comercials, posters, advertisements etc....
Maybe it was hidden in the 2 pages worth of fine print on the contract but who really goes thru word by word reading those?
AT&T reps dont tell you if you dont need it any more you can never remove the data package from your plan.

khkman22 said:
The people who bought them off of ebay or CL never agreed to a contract, so then how is it illegal to remove it? How is it not illegal for them to force charges on you from a contract you never signed? All I can say is I am surprised there hasn't been a class action anti-trust lawsuit filed on this yet that has made some noise.

Plain and simple, not everybody has agreed to their terms. This is no different than being on an old voice plan that gives you more minutes at a cheaper price than the current plans available with fewer minutes and higher prices. I have never agreed to the new plans available so I still get my higher minutes and cheaper plan.
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khkman22 said:
The people who bought them off of ebay or CL never agreed to a contract, so then how is it illegal to remove it? How is it not illegal for them to force charges on you from a contract you never signed? All I can say is I am surprised there hasn't been a class action anti-trust lawsuit filed on this yet that has made some noise.

Plain and simple, not everybody has agreed to their terms. This is no different than being on an old voice plan that gives you more minutes at a cheaper price than the current plans available with fewer minutes and higher prices. I have never agreed to the new plans available so I still get my higher minutes and cheaper plan.
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Applejuiced said:
Well said.
And I dont remember anywhere AT&T or Apple saying you need a mandatory data plan to purchase the iphone and this is not mentioned in any comercials, posters, advertisements etc....
Maybe it was hidden in the 2 pages worth of fine print on the contract but who really goes thru word by word reading those?
AT&T reps dont tell you if you dont need it any more you can never remove the data package from your plan.
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you two are both pretty obtuse huh? it doesnt matter where you got the iphone. could be from an att/apple store, your aunt susie, ebay, craigslist, stolen from your coworkers desk. what matters is that you:

1. have att service
2. are using an iphone on the att network

that makes you are subject to the "iPhone Terms and Conditions". being uninformed is not an excuse. the fact that you didnt read the entire thing or the sales rep didnt walk you through it word by word is no excuse, you are still held to those terms and conditions as someone that has a contract with att.

Data Plans: An eligible data plan for iPhone is required. This data plan covers data usage in the U.S. and does not cover international data usage and charges. If it is determined that you are using iPhone without an eligible data plan, AT&T reserves the right to add an eligible data plan to your account and bill you the appropriate monthly fee. © 2008 AT&T Intellectual Property. All rights reserved. AT&T and the AT&T logo are trademarks of AT&T Intellectual Property. Subsidiaries and affiliates of AT&T Inc. provide products and services under the AT&T brand. © 2008 Apple Inc. All rights reserved. Apple, the Apple logo, iPod, iTunes, and Mac are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries. iPhone, Multi-Touch and Safari are trademarks of Apple Inc.
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simply putting your att simcard in an iphone makes that paragraph apply to you. dont like it? switch to t-mobile. otherwise, suck it up and deal.
 
If you dont sign any contract how does that make you subject to any of Apples/AT&T's terms or conditions?
Since when is sticking your sim card to a phone equal as signing a contract?
And is any of that fair business practices? Does it open up plenty of opportunities for a good class action suit? I think so.


ruinfx said:
you two are both pretty obtuse huh? it doesnt matter where you got the iphone. could be from an att/apple store, your aunt susie, ebay, craigslist, stolen from your coworkers desk. what matters is that you:

1. have att service
2. are using an iphone on the att network

that makes you are subject to the "iPhone Terms and Conditions". being uninformed is not an excuse. the fact that you didnt read the entire thing or the sales rep didnt walk you through it word by word is no excuse, you are still held to those terms and conditions as someone that has a contract with att.



simply putting your att simcard in an iphone makes that paragraph apply to you. dont like it? switch to t-mobile. otherwise, suck it up and deal.
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Applejuiced said:
If you dont sign any contract how does that make you subject to any of Apples/AT&T's terms or conditions?
Since when is sticking your sim card to a phone equal as signing a contract?
And is any of that fair business practices? Does it open up plenty of opportunities for a good class action suit? I think so.
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i suggest you go here and see for yourself.

you accepted these terms when you began your service with att. they have always been available for you to read online, you simply chose not to.
 
Applejuiced said:
If you dont sign any contract how does that make you subject to any of Apples/AT&T's terms or conditions?
Since when is sticking your sim card to a phone equal as signing a contract?
And is any of that fair business practices? Does it open up plenty of opportunities for a good class action suit? I think so.
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Great point there.
 
Interesting, Im reading it now.
Where is the part where you agree just by placing your simcard to an iphone?



You can accept the Service Agreement in several different ways: (i) by giving us your electronic signature via our website; (ii) by giving us your electronic signature over the phone through our automated phone consent process; (iii) by signing an electronic signature pad; (iv) in certain third party retail locations, by giving us your written signature; or (v) by using the wireless service after a modification to your service if you have been informed that continued use of the new service will mean you've given us your acceptance.



ruinfx said:
i suggest you go here and see for yourself.

you accepted these terms when you began your service with att. they have always been available for you to read online, you simply chose not to.
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Applejuiced said:
Lets say for example that I took it out of an old Nokia on my AT&T account.
How is that forcing me into a contract to have the iphone data plan?
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with your old nokia, you were subject to atts terms of service, correct? you agreed to the terms of service whenever you became an att customer. at that point you signed using one of the methods you posted above.

everyones (except GoPhone users) terms of service includes that bit about the iphone, ok? its just that when you were using your old nokia that part did not apply to you. when you take your sim out of the nokia and place it in the iphone to use, that part of the terms of service is now applicable to you.

so no, you didnt "sign a new contract" you just activated a portion of the existing terms of service that previously did not apply to you when you were using the old nokia.

thats my understanding of it at least.
 
Your understanding doesnt make any sense.
When I signed up for the nokia for example the iphone didnt exist so how can I be held responsible for future additions without me resigning and agreeing to the modified/updated terms of service.
And good luck trying to enforce a contract without an actual signature on file with the latest terms trying to be enforced, just by placing your sim to an iphone. Thats nonsense/comical and illegal IMO.
 
Applejuiced said:
Your understanding doesnt make any sense.
When I signed up for the nokia for example the iphone didnt exist so how can I be held responsible for future additions without me resigning and agreeing to the modified/updated terms of service.
And good luck trying to enforce a contract without an actual signature on file with the latest terms trying to be enforced, just by placing your sim to an iphone. Thats nonsense/comical and illegal IMO.
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well your terms of service states:

CHANGES TO TERMS AND RATES
We may change any terms, conditions, rates, fees, expenses, or charges regarding your service at any time. We will provide you with notice of such changes (other than changes to governmental fees, proportional charges for governmental mandates, roaming rates or administrative charges) either in your monthly bill or separately. You understand and agree that State and Federal Universal Service Fees and other governmentally imposed fees, whether or not assessed directly upon you, may be increased based upon the government's or our calculations. IF WE INCREASE THE PRICE OF ANY OF THE SERVICES TO WHICH YOU SUBSCRIBE, BEYOND THE LIMITS SET FORTH IN YOUR RATE PLAN BROCHURE, OR IF WE MATERIALLY DECREASE THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA IN WHICH YOUR AIRTIME RATE APPLIES (OTHER THAN A TEMPORARY DECREASE FOR REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE), WE WILL DISCLOSE THE CHANGE AT LEAST ONE BILLING CYCLE IN ADVANCE (EITHER THROUGH A NOTICE WITH YOUR BILL, A TEXT MESSAGE TO YOUR DEVICE, OR OTHERWISE), AND YOU MAY TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT WITHOUT PAYING AN EARLY TERMINATION FEE OR RETURNING OR PAYING FOR ANY PROMOTIONAL ITEMS, PROVIDED YOUR NOTICE OF TERMINATION IS DELIVERED TO US WITHIN THIRTY (30) DAYS AFTER THE FIRST BILL REFLECTING THE CHANGE. If you lose your eligibility for a particular rate plan, we may change your rate plan to one for which you qualify.
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so either you missed the memo or didnt see it in your monthly bill.

remember that part that you posted above about agreeing to the terms of service? guess you didnt read (v) too closely. ;)

Your Service Agreement

This Service Agreement between you and AT&T Mobility governs your use of AT&T's wireless service. Other agreements will apply to your use of other AT&T services. The Service Agreement is made up of three different pieces: 1) the Terms of Service; 2) Rate Plans and Plan Terms (including the Data Service Terms and Conditions); and 3) Feature Terms and Conditions relating to any features you may have selected. You can accept the Service Agreement in several different ways: (i) by giving us your electronic signature via our website; (ii) by giving us your electronic signature over the phone through our automated phone consent process; (iii) by signing an electronic signature pad; (iv) in certain third party retail locations, by giving us your written signature; or (v) by using the wireless service after a modification to your service if you have been informed that continued use of the new service will mean you've given us your acceptance.
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att either sent you a notice of the change or put the change in your monthly bill and simply by continuing to use your service after the change you accepted the new terms of service regarding the iphone.
 
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