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talmy

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You this isn't how iOS works so why would OSX get it?

That's the crux of the issue. iCloud was developed so that iOS devices would have a way to save data without needing a computer, and to save data to a computer without a physical connection. It wasn't designed for computers (OS X) and has always been poor in the absence of compatible iOS devices.
 

Krazy Bill

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That's the crux of the issue. iCloud was developed so that iOS devices would have a way to save data without needing a computer, and to save data to a computer without a physical connection. It wasn't designed for computers (OS X) and has always been poor in the absence of compatible iOS devices.
I tend to think it's because iOS has no universal file management system whereas OSX does. Plus, iDevices need to be small hence the limited memory components. (maybe we're saying the same thing :))

In this regard, iOS makes perfect sense. And now, it makes perfect sense to sell server space. But iOS will continue to clash with OSX until Apple does away with that pesky Finder.
 

talmy

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In this regard, iOS makes perfect sense. And now, it makes perfect sense to sell server space. But iOS will continue to clash with OSX until Apple does away with that pesky Finder.

If OS X ever drops the hierarchical file system and/or segregates documents by application, I'd guess both parts of the Finder-less World, I'd have to leave. Maybe it's time to buy a Windows 7 box and put it in cold storage until that dystopian world arrives. :)
 

Krazy Bill

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I've owned a Mac since 2008 and I'd say I haven't amassed even 50mb of textedit docs.

Put some graphics in those rtf files and get back to me in 2 years. Seriously... you're going to argue with me when I say Apple truly wants you to lease server space sometime in the future?


If OS X ever drops the hierarchical file system and/or segregates documents by application, I'd guess both parts of the Finder-less World, I'd have to leave. Maybe it's time to buy a Windows 7 box and put it in cold storage until that dystopian world arrives. :)

Not to frighten you but we are thinking along the same lines. Perhaps this dystopian world would also include PC hardware that equals the quality of our macs? :)
 

talmy

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Not to frighten you but we are thinking along the same lines. Perhaps this dystopian world would also include PC hardware that equals the quality of our macs? :)

I don't know about that, but I've played with Windows 8 and it's scarier than anything Apple is doing. That's why I want to save a Windows 7 box. At least Microsoft will support it for a decade (they still support XP). Looks like Apple's OS support may be limited to 2 years (current and previous version at one version per year).

Even worse, Linux, at least Ubuntu, is moving in the same direction. :(
 

Krazy Bill

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but I've played with Windows 8 and it's scarier than anything Apple is doing.
Ack no! Just the opposite in my view (albeit a very limited view).

Given that any "user experience" is subjective, I can live with Win8 because unlike the iOS crap baked into Lion, I'm betting you'll be able to turn "Metro" off eventually. There are hacks out there that do this now. I can't picture "Nancy" the temp legal aid going to and fro between metro and normal apps.

And yes, people can say all they want about MS but they do support legacy OS's well past their practical life IMO.

My dilemma is I'm a big fan of Apple's build quality. If I wouldn't be at their mercy for Bootcamp drivers I'd have dumped OSX when I really understood what "Back to the Mac" was all about.

Even worse, Linux, at least Ubuntu, is moving in the same direction. :(
On this we truly agree.
 

dcorban

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I highly doubt Apple will be enforcing a 5GB limit in five years. By then, all our data will, optionally, be stored on remote servers. It will just be how things are. To keep the limit at 5GB would basically kill the whole idea.
 

Dainin

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In reponse to the original poster, the following terminal command will disable the default save to icloud.

defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSDocumentSaveNewDocumentsToCloud -bool false

Change the last word to true to turn it back on.
 

shopsmart99

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Why does the new Version of TextEdit Ask you to open a new doc
every time you click on the textedit icon ??

It now requires 2 clicks to open a new Doc!

Any way to change that to 1 click method
like in the previous version ??
 

talmy

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Why does the new Version of TextEdit Ask you to open a new doc
every time you click on the textedit icon ??

It now requires 2 clicks to open a new Doc!

Any way to change that to 1 click method
like in the previous version ??

It doesn't do that here. But I have iCloud Documents turned off.
 
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