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vmachiel

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Still the first phone to use the 2xQuad-Core config - and the first handset to use ARM's big.LITTLE architecture.

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I just dislike ignorant comments. And I believe credit should be given where it's due. I believe in regards to the S4, there are many ignorant statements being thrown around, and people aren't giving credit for the pretty impressive device that it is.

I can't help how you interpret my comments.

Hmm I'm sorry then. I just got the feeling that you are only on this forum to promote samsung, as that is all you seem to be doing.
 

Krimsonmyst

macrumors 6502
Dec 18, 2012
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Hmm I'm sorry then. I just got the feeling that you are only on this forum to promote samsung, as that is all you seem to be doing.

I apologise if it comes off this way, but I, just like everyone else on here is just chasing a phone that works the best that it can. For me, the iPhone is too outdated and stale, and the HTC One, while very impressive in many areas, has too many tradeoffs for me to seriously consider it.

I've used a Galaxy S2, 3 and now 4, and I still think that Samsung provides the best overall package. I apologise if you think I'm too pro-Samsung, but I'm just giving my honest opinion on what I feel is the best hardware/software atm.
 

ernbrdn

macrumors newbie
Jun 13, 2009
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Who really cares about what material your phone is made of. I case you haven't noticed a large percentage of people slap big gaudy cases on any phone they own. Why worry if your phone is made of aluminum, plastic, recycled rubber, of glass when you just goin to slap a 3lb case on it regardless.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
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Who really cares about what material your phone is made of. I case you haven't noticed a large percentage of people slap big gaudy cases on any phone they own. Why worry if your phone is made of aluminum, plastic, recycled rubber, of glass when you just goin to slap a 3lb case on it regardless.

Totally agree, any material has its advantages and disadvantages. Aluminium can cause detuning. Glass in the back certainly looks great, but can break. Plastic is durable, i.e., doesn't shatter but can scratch and if not done right may feel too plasticy and cheap. The Palm Pre had this criticism.

I'm more concerned about the build quality, insofar how it will hold up from usage, and the overall experience. From what I've read both the One and S4 are highly regarded in this department though the One has the edge in some areas - at least by some reviewers.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
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Have both phones now. Both phones are great build quality - build materials are subjective.

Some may prefer the tapered back and the coolness (as in literally colder) feel of the HTC one.

The S4 is warmer in the hand and does feel different, but it doesn't feel cheap.


Either way I put cases on my phones so for the most part its all mute.
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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Who really cares about what material your phone is made of. I case you haven't noticed a large percentage of people slap big gaudy cases on any phone they own. Why worry if your phone is made of aluminum, plastic, recycled rubber, of glass when you just goin to slap a 3lb case on it regardless.

Because some of us don't put a big gaudy case (or any case for that matter) on their phone and prefer to use it as is.
 

vmachiel

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Feb 15, 2011
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I apologise if it comes off this way, but I, just like everyone else on here is just chasing a phone that works the best that it can. For me, the iPhone is too outdated and stale, and the HTC One, while very impressive in many areas, has too many tradeoffs for me to seriously consider it.

I've used a Galaxy S2, 3 and now 4, and I still think that Samsung provides the best overall package. I apologise if you think I'm too pro-Samsung, but I'm just giving my honest opinion on what I feel is the best hardware/software atm.

Yeah I'm sorry too man, I was up late and had just read some stuff about samsung paying people to be totally pro samsung in all kinds of forum. I sounded silly:)
 

sampath

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Apr 21, 2011
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FTC One has regular DDR 2 not LPDDR2, and the S4 has LPDDR3 not regular DDR3, so there is really no difference in the Ram performance since LPDDR means low profile DDR, it's weak, that's why benchmark test didnt even show how S4 memory was better.

LPDDR = Low power DDR. I doubt the HTC One uses "regular" (i.e desktop or laptop grade) RAM and most benchmarks show the S4 slightly ahead of the HTC One despite both being powered by Snapdragon 600 SOCs.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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LPDDR = Low power DDR. I doubt the HTC One uses "regular" (i.e desktop or laptop grade) RAM and most benchmarks show the S4 slightly ahead of the HTC One despite both being powered by Snapdragon 600 SOCs.

The overall benchmark yes, but the memory management is better on the One despite supposedly inferior RAM sticks....

The S4 Snapdragon is also a higher-clocked variant of the normal 600 in the One - likely a main contributor to the higher (though not by much) benchmarks.

Not saying the One is better than the S4 (though for me it is) - just saying that using the fact the S4 uses LPDDR3 doesn't really mean a whole lot given the fact the One does a better job at memory management and performance anyways.
 

fredaroony

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Aug 1, 2011
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I agree with you that HTC One is much better in build quality than any other device. but other than that its nothing. i am a type of guy who likes software more than the hardware and thats why i think S4 is better than the One.

That's a pretty big statement, other brands and models are made just as well.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
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i am a type of guy who likes software more than the hardware and thats why i think S4 is better than the One.

Can you expand on that, both are running Android so why would the S4 be better at running software then the HTC One?
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
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Can you expand on that, both are running Android so why would the S4 be better at running software then the HTC One?

I'm assuming they mean the 'software' features such as smart stay, smart scroll, air gesture and air view. Basically all the features I had to disable / turn off in order to get the phone to actually perform like a 1.9ghz quad core smartphone should behave.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
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I'm assuming they mean the 'software' features such as smart stay, smart scroll, air gesture and air view. Basically all the features I had to disable / turn off in order to get the phone to actually perform like a 1.9ghz quad core smartphone should behave.

I'm sure they can download similar features if they're not included in the phone. Personally I don't like preinstalled bloat but that's me.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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What does this mean?

Run Geekbench 2 and it gives you four scores that make up the overall benchmark - one of which is the memory score (with regards to RAM performance).

Despite the supposedly inferior DDR2 RAM in the One, it beats the GS4 in this particular area. I only brought it up to disprove the theory that simply because the GS4 has LPDDR3 RAM that means its better.

Hell, the iPhone has always blown this category away even with generally less RAM. It's all about how the software and hardware integrate for maximum efficiency and performance.

Generally where Android phones outclass the iPhone (and in this case where the GS4 beats the One) is in the CPU scores - namely the Integer score.

But we should always take benchmarks for what they are....nothing more than a standard test that, while useful for comparing theoretical output, really has no bearing on real-life usage. Just as comparing a 1.9 gHZ processor to a 1.6 gHZ processor and saying the 1.9 is better has no bearing on real-life usage.
 
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sentinelsx

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Feb 28, 2011
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I agree with you that HTC One is much better in build quality than any other device. but other than that its nothing. i am a type of guy who likes software more than the hardware and thats why i think S4 is better than the One.

And given how fast i usually tend to disable tons of bloatware on touchwizz devices, the software on S4 is nothing to write home about.

Moving my neck to scroll or palms to scroll hints on some sort of severe arthritis developing in the future. Some "natural UI" that is, of course. No wonder they included the S-health app lol :)
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
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And given how fast i usually tend to disable tons of bloatware on touchwizz devices, the software on S4 is nothing to write home about.

Moving my neck to scroll or palms to scroll hints on some sort of severe arthritis developing in the future. Some "natural UI" that is, of course. No wonder they included the S-health app lol :)

The swipe for back is ridiculously bad =/
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
And given how fast i usually tend to disable tons of bloatware on touchwizz devices, the software on S4 is nothing to write home about.

Moving my neck to scroll or palms to scroll hints on some sort of severe arthritis developing in the future. Some "natural UI" that is, of course. No wonder they included the S-health app lol :)

Samsung invented a solution to a problem that no one was having. A solution that actually takes more time than the original. Gesturing like a demented loon to make a picture scroll is not easier than simple swiping the screen.

Whilst an argument could be made that this feature would be handy in a kitchen for example, I have to say to that NO.

If the phone was asleep / standby, you would still have to turn on the phone / unlock it / launch gallery / launch the photos you wanted to view.... Then wave your hand over it. ?? I mean really think about it. You have to press the screen / device at least 4 or 5 times before you can swipe over a photo so it just makes no sense.

Even still the fact that the gesture require an exagerated movement and there is noticeable delay between the camera recognising what you are actually doing meaning you'll often swipe again thinking it's missed what you want it to do is all just a complete mess.

If samsung wanted to protect the screen from messy hands then surely inventing a new screen protection / covering that made it water proof or extra tough and resilient to grease would have been a far better invention than air gestures.

A feature that barely works, and doesn't solve any real world problem, but when enabled causes real world issues (lag, extra memory usage, extra battery).

I give credit for Samsung trying to invent, but invention for invention sake, and one that doesn't solve the residing issue they are inventing it for - means it's all utterly moribund and redundant.

I like the S4 generally, but I wish samsung had considered user experience as a whole and pushing forward with improvements to the device that benefit all (such as maybe better speakers / better & tougher & oleophobic coated screen for example) without hurting the overall experience of the operating system is the sad truth.

Any feature that has to be turned off in order to preserve the general user experience should either not be there in the first place, or required far better integration with the system ui that it didn't affect it detrimentally.
 

sentinelsx

macrumors 68010
Feb 28, 2011
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Samsung invented a solution to a problem that no one was having. A solution that actually takes more time than the original. Gesturing like a demented loon to make a picture scroll is not easier than simple swiping the screen.

Whilst an argument could be made that this feature would be handy in a kitchen for example, I have to say to that NO.

If the phone was asleep / standby, you would still have to turn on the phone / unlock it / launch gallery / launch the photos you wanted to view.... Then wave your hand over it. ?? I mean really think about it. You have to press the screen / device at least 4 or 5 times before you can swipe over a photo so it just makes no sense.

Even still the fact that the gesture require an exagerated movement and there is noticeable delay between the camera recognising what you are actually doing meaning you'll often swipe again thinking it's missed what you want it to do is all just a complete mess.

If samsung wanted to protect the screen from messy hands then surely inventing a new screen protection / covering that made it water proof or extra tough and resilient to grease would have been a far better invention than air gestures.

A feature that barely works, and doesn't solve any real world problem, but when enabled causes real world issues (lag, extra memory usage, extra battery).

I give credit for Samsung trying to invent, but invention for invention sake, and one that doesn't solve the residing issue they are inventing it for - means it's all utterly moribund and redundant.

I like the S4 generally, but I wish samsung had considered user experience as a whole and pushing forward with improvements to the device that benefit all (such as maybe better speakers / better & tougher & oleophobic coated screen for example) without hurting the overall experience of the operating system is the sad truth.

Any feature that has to be turned off in order to preserve the general user experience should either not be there in the first place, or required far better integration with the system ui that it didn't affect it detrimentally.

Yeah i remember our last year engineering project's professor's comments before letting us free to work:

"It is nice to make fun stuff, but it is much better to make stuff that is practical and will solve an actual need than create another problem." Wonder what samsung engineers think of that.
 
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