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Hummers why?

Most of us probably don't have enough money to make those choices. I'm lucky I can afford to drive one car on a stingy grad student assistantship. :eek:

Even if I had the cash I wouldn't do that though - I hate making payments as it is, and buying a new car every 3 years means eternal payments, unless you are rich enough to buy them outright.
 
Lord Blackadder said:
Most of us probably don't have enough money to make those choices. I'm lucky I can afford to drive one car on a stingy grad student assistantship. :eek:

Even if I had the cash I wouldn't do that though - I hate making payments as it is, and buying a new car every 3 years means eternal payments, unless you are rich enough to buy them outright.
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I purchase my commuter outright since i end up racking up the miles on it, my SUV and Sedan are on leases since i know i like to change so often. I may not lease a SUV the next time around, depends on what i like at the time. Sedan is up in mid 09 and SUV is up late 08.

It's just what i like to do, i enjoy cars and its one of my "things" i guess you can say. I just don't feel that its anyones right to insult others for their choices, i certainly wouldnt buy a Hummer but at the same time i wouldn't insult or belittle someone that did.

Ed
 
Ed H said:
It's just what i like to do, i enjoy cars and its one of my "things" i guess you can say. I just don't feel that its anyones right to insult others for their choices, i certainly wouldnt buy a Hummer but at the same time i wouldn't insult or belittle someone that did.

Ed
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You probaby fall outside the norm though, since most SUV owners don't have a small commuter car for daily driving. The "stereotypical" SUV driver is more like one of my old co-workers, who did a 100-mile daily commute in an Expedition that got about 10mpg. I still can't belive he put up with those fuel costs.
 
Ed H said:
I think 25% is being overly generous, but to me its negligible. I didn't even factor in my commuter car, which would get far better fuel economy than either of the two i compared. I don't keep my cars long enough to make a huge difference either. I turnover my cars every 3 years, im due for a new commuter this year.

I have a 04 Civic that i commute in daily, i drive the BMW on weekends or whenever im not commuting, the Acura see's maybe 2 tanks of fuel a month when im hauling more people or things that wont fit in either car around.

Yes, 3 cars for 1 person. But its my choice, hate me for my choices if it makes you sleep better at night. :p

Ed
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Damn. I'm just jealous that you can afford three cars AND do a turnover every 3 years. I'd love to get a new car that often, especially since I love new gar gadgets. As it is, I keep my cars forever: My girlfriend is driving my 1997 Chevy Malibu and I have a car I expect to keep for at least another 5-7 years (2004 model).
 
I don't think some people are getting the full picture. We don't only have to conserve oil for gas(not to mention saving the enviorment), but for plastics and other things too. If oil goes gone so do plastics. And I would guess over 85% of manufactured products have plastics in them.

Bubble gum has oil. Rubber has oil. Oil touch's almost every aspect of our lives, and many people don't seem to care that it's going to be gone in 50 years or so.

If things keep going the way they are...

Might as well live up these last 50 years of life as we know it while we can.:(
 
Ed H said:
Yes, 3 cars for 1 person. But its my choice, hate me for my choices if it makes you sleep better at night. :p

Ed
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There's nothing wrong with having three cars--it's not like you drive them all at once. Look at it this way:
  • you are driving good condition, well tuned cars
  • keeping older ones out of the scrapheap.
  • and you can choose the vehicle best suited to it's purpose.
It's also a nice to spend a sunny Saturday afternoon: cleaning the fleet! :cool:
 
There are a few businesses where I live that use Hummers to stand out on the road while plastered with stickers advertising themselves. It is usually a realtor sometimes something else. I read last year where businesses could utilize a hummer and get a substantial tax break. That could be some of the reason to drive one. No thanks for me but a nice surplus real hummer would be fun to play with not to drive daily. And of course make sure it is diesel so I could slap a WVO system in it.
 
Cassie said:
I don't think some people are getting the full picture. We don't only have to conserve oil for gas(not to mention saving the enviorment), but for plastics and other things too. If oil goes gone so do plastics. And I would guess over 85% of manufactured products have plastics in them.
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...Not to mention that if the U.S. turned as green as the greenest eco-mentalist tomorrow, the problem would still be there - in our lifetimes we will probably see the Chinese and Indians out-consuming us in fuel, electricity and raw materials - as well as out-polluting us.

Reducing consumption is only one part of it though...our failure to recycle most of the plastic we produce is every bit as crititcal of not more so. Someday we will be digging up our landfills to get all that plastic back in circulation...yum. Speaking of landfills:

Did you know that most sanitary landfills in the U.S. are guaranteed for just 100 years? that means that if they leak after that (and they will, with plenty of heavy metals and other carcinogens), the government is going to be footing a very, very, very big cleanup bill. People complain about nuclear waste storage, but landfills are a much bigger issue.
 
Lord Blackadder said:
Reducing consumption is only one part of it though...our failure to recycle is every bit as crititcal of not more so. Someday we will be digging up our landfills to get all that plastic back in circulation...yum. Speaking of landfills:

Did you know that most sanitary landfills in the U.S. are guaranteed for just 100 years? that means that if they leak after that (and they will, with plenty of heavy metals and other carcinogens), the government is going to be footing a very, very, very big cleanup bill. People complain about nuclear waste storage, but landfills are a much bigger issue.
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I was gonna say that, but I didn't find it to fit to put recycling in an SUV thread.

But you proved me wrong.:p

My family has to be the biggest trash prodeucers I have ever known. 5 people, and 3 full size garbage bags of trash per-day. :eek: I try to recycle, conserve and such, but my family doesn't believe in global warming, and all this other stuff. My mom's the worst, she has a Suburban, she's the only one who drives it.

And she throws stuff away because one part of it doesn't work. (Example: she threw away a working blender because one button broke. :()

This Earth is going to crap, and will keep going that way unless we do something. (Although, to be honest, we're pretty close to screwed. Carbon Dioxide (put out by burning fossil fuels) has a life span of somewhere around a million years.)
 
Cassie said:

I was gonna say that, but I didn't find it to fit to put recycling in an SUV thread.

But you proved me wrong.:p
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Perspective cuts both ways - we all need to try to be more efficient, but sometimes we are too narrowly focused. Even if every SUV on the planet disappeared tomorrow, all these problems would still exist.

I think it's OK to buy a Hummer H1/2/3, if you like that sort of thing. But people should also try to use it in a responsible manner, just like with everything. Drive less. Move closer to work, or use a commuter car that gets better mileage and pollutes less.
 
Lord Blackadder said:
...Not to mention that if the U.S. turned as green as the greenest eco-mentalist tomorrow, the problem would still be there - in our lifetimes we will probably see the Chinese and Indians out-consuming us in fuel, electricity and raw materials - as well as out-polluting us.
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that's why the US should lead by example soon because as usually the chinese and indians will then try to do the same ;)

Lord Blackadder said:
Reducing consumption is only one part of it though...our failure to recycle most of the plastic we produce is every bit as crititcal of not more so. Someday we will be digging up our landfills to get all that plastic back in circulation...yum.
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luckily that plastic bags will be there even in centuries ;)

and 3 trash bags per day ? do you have seriously smaller trash bags ? how often is the garbage collected ? we wouldn't even have place to store that much for a week ...

normally we have perhaps a "old school" trash bag in 2 weeks, 1 bag of plastics a week
paper, empty cans/metal, and glass bottles we bring to the near recycle colelction point in our street: shopping bag size paper: 1 per week, metal 1 every 2-3 weeks, glas: 1 every 2 weeks

and we have a composter in our garden for most of the biological waste
 
Swarmlord said:
Fortunately plants consider it food and readily turn it into oxygen.
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Unfortunately, those very plants are hampered by the tree hugging that harms their bark, not to mention the years of therapy needed to repair the emotional damage done by most love-em and leave-em environmentalists.
 
takao said:
that's why the US should lead by example soon because as usually the chinese and indians will then try to do the same ;)
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True...a new Cold Green War.

takao said:
and 3 trash bags per day ? do you have seriously smaller trash bags ? how often is the garbage collected ? we wouldn't even have place to store that much for a week ...
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My housemates and I produce 1 medium-sized bag of trash a week...we do a lot of our own cooking so about 1/3 of that is probably compostable, Much of the volume that makes up a bag of trash comes from packaging, and much of that packaging is plastic.
 
takao said:
and 3 trash bags per day ? do you have seriously smaller trash bags ? how often is the garbage collected ? we wouldn't even have place to store that much for a week ...
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The bags are I guess, medium to full size. Pickup is on Wednesday's.

We have 4 curbside trash cans to accomadate the stuff.


It's rediculous.
 
someguy said:
Sure she feels safe inside the tank, but what about the other drivers on the road? What happens when something that obnoxiously large is involved in an accident with say, a Honda Civic?
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I guess this happens.

I see these large SUVs and Hummers every once in a while over here. They're really just monetary status indicators. The gas guzzling thing isn't a concern here, where a bottle of water (about 400cc) costs as much as ten liters of gas. It's still not right though :mad: People with SUVs always act like they own the road over here
 
Cassie said:

I was gonna say that, but I didn't find it to fit to put recycling in an SUV thread.

But you proved me wrong.:p

My family has to be the biggest trash prodeucers I have ever known. 5 people, and 3 full size garbage bags of trash per-day. :eek: I try to recycle, conserve and such, but my family doesn't believe in global warming, and all this other stuff. My mom's the worst, she has a Suburban, she's the only one who drives it.
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This is common of many people in Arkansas (and the South in general).

We love our SUV's down here.

jon
 
Hmmm. Im pretty late to the discussion and dont really feel like reading 345 posts to catch up, so... Why Hummers? They are really entiment and feel great. :)
 
good point lord black ladder.

5 years ago the hole in the ozone layer was shrinking. Now that process is reversed because rapid industrialization of china and india. They are using lots of energy and are lax with emissions requirements.
 
takao said:
that's why the US should lead by example soon because as usually the chinese and indians will then try to do the same ;)
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China already has stricter car emissions requirements than the US. Even better than California's strict requirements.

And, both of them have signed the Kyoto Treaty to keep their CO2 levels down. Something that only the U.S. and Australia have failed to do.

Although I am happy that my state (along with 4 other Western US states,) have signed a multi-state agreement to limit CO2 between them.
 
Ed H said:
I purchase my commuter outright since i end up racking up the miles on it, my SUV and Sedan are on leases since i know i like to change so often. I may not lease a SUV the next time around, depends on what i like at the time. Sedan is up in mid 09 and SUV is up late 08.

It's just what i like to do, i enjoy cars and its one of my "things" i guess you can say. I just don't feel that its anyones right to insult others for their choices, i certainly wouldnt buy a Hummer but at the same time i wouldn't insult or belittle someone that did.

Ed
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Even if you did buy a Hummer, I wouldn't fault you for it. You sound like you use your vehicles 'responsibly'. I have no problem with that. (As I said, even after I bought the Prius, I still owned an SUV for use in 'SUV-appropriate' purposes.) I don't insult or belittle those that use things for what they're meant for, any more than I insult or belittle those that own guns for target shooting. I complain about those that use them for their own selfish purposes, with complete disregard to others, as I do about criminals that use guns to commit crimes. It's people who do single-person COMMUTING in a Hummer (or any other overly large vehicle) that I object to.

And, yes, I have less objection to those that drive older SUVs like old beat up Jeep Cherokees, because if you're driving an older vehicle, odds are you can only afford one vehicle. If you're driving a Hummer, you darned well should be able to afford a small commuter car, too.

Don't blame the gun, blame the shooter!
Don't blame the Hummer, blame the irresponsible driver!
 
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