Other I am now one year switched from Android/Windows to iPhone/Mac - Here are my thoughts

[Violet_Antelope]

I never know what to make of posts like this. Sometimes they're obvious trolls but this one seems serious and sincere.

So... that experience simply IS NOT typical. At all. Come on folks, if it was don't you think it would be all over the news? Not just tech news, but regular news? People LOVE to rip Apple for stuff.

For this poster and anyone else having drastic issues like this... If you can't make phone calls and texts don't work there's either something drastically wrong with your actual iPhone, your iCloud account or you've installed something odd/jailbroken the iPhone. It's you(r) setup, not the iPhone/Mac/whatever.

EDIT: This is why so many of us respond with "have you tried a completely fresh install" and the like. It's not that we're brainwashed Apple fanatics, but that we realize that things like this aren't typical and the easiest things to do are to start from clean, known foundations.

Oh I fully realise my experience hasn’t been typical - I’m glad it hasn’t! Although to be fair I have seen threads of a LOT of people having quite serious issues with messaging, so I think that’s not quite so unusual? But I’m disappointed that three phones in a row have been poor experiences *to me*, which has pushed me away. I’m a huge Apple fan, love my Macs which are brilliant and have been largely trouble free for years, and certainly wasn’t trying to troll. Just saying that we all experience different things sometimes. Thank you for your feedback, apologies if I put things poorly, and yes, btw, I always set my phones up from fresh.

 

[star-affinity]

Oh I fully realise my experience hasn’t been typical - I’m glad it hasn’t! Although to be fair I have seen threads of a LOT of people having quite serious issues with messaging, so I think that’s not quite so unusual? But I’m disappointed that three phones in a row have been poor experiences *to me*, which has pushed me away. I’m a huge Apple fan, love my Macs which are brilliant and have been largely trouble free for years, and certainly wasn’t trying to troll. Just saying that we all experience different things sometimes. Thank you for your feedback, apologies if I put things poorly, and yes, btw, I always set my phones up from fresh.

I remember a friend had some trouble with notifications from iMessages didn't come through, but that was a few years ago. Think it got resolved. Wonder what the cause of your problems might be. Sounds like it might be something with your Apple account server side wise. ? Not sure why you would otherwise get that problems starting fresh with a device.

For me iMessages works well overall – use it every day. Just wish it was possible to edit a sent message. ?

 

[DeepIn2U]

I don't necessarily agree with this part here. Best is an objective measure. Some of the i9 (I won't speak for all of them as I don't know how the 11th gen or upcoming gen performs) are both the "best" with single core and multi-core Intel. SSD is best compared to a HDD. 3080 is better than intel integrated GPU. Whether someone uses the hardware is another story, but best is not subjective. And this matters for the discussion at hand too. Did this person used to use Windows PCs with HDD and i3 processors? If so, no wonder most Macs are much better (I don't recall the last i3 Mac maybe the Intel mini?). I don't agree that it is "showing off" here, it simply is relevant to the discussion. $300 Windows PC compared to Macs will give a VERY different story than a $3,000 custom built PC that is "best" components vs Macs.

you clearly did NOT read my post only skimmed.

"Best is a perception" that alone basically states 'best is an objective measure, not influenced by others but by the fact that 'best' is for you and you alone - based on what you use something for. An Intel Core i9 is not the best for my needs in a laptop. The processing power caters to other functions than I ... yes 'I' need vs your needs vs him, her, or they. jumping around talking bout GPU or SSD only shows the confusion on the topic I spoke of.

 

[TheYellowAudi]

Apple Menu - Force Quit does not work often, and I found myself hard resetting way more than I wanted to.
Adding a second monitor helps, for some reason I can get force quit up using the monitor that the unresponsive app is not active in, but this is certainly a place where I would miss Windows 10 and the ability to manage things under the hood more to avoid hard resets.

Well, actually……..there is a keyboard shortcut to Force Quit; Command, Option, Escape. That should help, should you need it again.

 

[star-affinity]

you clearly did NOT read my post only skimmed.

"Best is a perception" that alone basically states 'best is an objective measure, not influenced by others but by the fact that 'best' is for you and you alone - based on what you use something for. An Intel Core i9 is not the best for my needs in a laptop. The processing power caters to other functions than I ... yes 'I' need vs your needs vs him, her, or they. jumping around talking bout GPU or SSD only shows the confusion on the topic I spoke of.

In the original poster’s defense of what you’re saying it did say “best” within quotation marks. I thinking most of us understand what that means in terms of IT stuff: the most performant and “beefy” systems. But I do agree if looking at the details what is best and not depends on the user and the use case.

At the same time I’d say a more performant system where the device does things faster (shorter time) and with a higher frame rate is generally objectively better than a slower system as long as power consumption and noise levels aren’t worse relative to the slower system. Or am I wrong? Everything is subjective, even the value of time? ??

 

[Ethosik]

you clearly did NOT read my post only skimmed.

"Best is a perception" that alone basically states 'best is an objective measure, not influenced by others but by the fact that 'best' is for you and you alone - based on what you use something for. An Intel Core i9 is not the best for my needs in a laptop. The processing power caters to other functions than I ... yes 'I' need vs your needs vs him, her, or they. jumping around talking bout GPU or SSD only shows the confusion on the topic I spoke of.

Oh great that lovely defense of YOU DIDN'T READ! If what I quoted was false, you should not have stated it. I read your post entirely, I did not agree with your complaining about using the term best and saying the OP was just showing off. You clearly said it. Why is everything such a hassle these days? You clearly said it, I quoted it.

"Staying you have the 'best" stuff is just, I don't know not necessary, almost adolescent to showing off at show and tell, and not relevant in any way to your experience or account being told here."

Your words....exactly. You should not have stated it if you did not agree with your own statements.

 

[Ethosik]

In the original poster’s defense of what you’re saying it did say “best” within quotation marks. I thinking most of us understand what that means in terms of IT stuff: the most performant and “beefy” systems. But I do agree if looking at the details what is best and not depends on the user and the use case.

At the same time I’d say a more performant system where the device does things faster (shorter time) and with a higher frame rate is generally objectively better than a slower system as long as power consumption and noise levels aren’t worse relative to the slower system. Or am I wrong? Everything is subjective, even the value of time? ??

Clearly I guess an i9 can't be measured to be better than an i3? Additional cores and clock speeds and threads are subjective now instead of an objective measure to gauge the difference between the processors?

Again, I am not saying everyone needs an i9. But there is, clearly on paper and benchmarks and test, an objective "best". Back when I built my own PC and my 2019 i9 iMac they were using the i9-9900k. For Intel, there was nothing BETTER for single or multi-core at the time. Does my Mom that only uses Microsoft Word need an i9? No, but that is not the point of "best". If you got your mom an i9, it would still be "best", just most of that is unused performance on the table.

Similarly, even if its all the person needs, I would NEVER call an i3 system with 8GB of RAM and a 5400RPM drive "best". What we should use here is optimal for the user. "best" is false here because i9 exists. SSDs exist. And so on.

(I never use AMD so all my points are Intel based but you can say the same across AMD stuff too).

 

[star-affinity]

Why is everything such a hassle these days?

I think the problem is that it’s quite common that people – seemingly unintentionally – fabricate and tell others what their opinion is and misinterpret the intentions the messenger has.

Strawman:

Your logical fallacy is strawman

You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com

But there it says it’s done to “to make someone’s argument easier to attack”. Like I said I think it’s most often done unintentionally.

 

[Ethosik]

I think the problem is that it’s quite common that people – seemingly unintentionally – fabricate and tell others what their opinion is and misinterpret the intentions the messenger has.

Strawman:

Your logical fallacy is strawman

You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com

But there it says it’s done to “to make someone’s argument easier to attack”. Like I said I think it’s most often done unintentionally.

Yeah. You definitely don't respond saying "YOU DIDN'T READ"! That is not a good way to have a nice conversation and it just irritates people in the process. I clearly did read the post, and I quoted the section I did not agree with. This is what I find most difficult these days, its like everything is an attack.

"Oh someone didn't agree what I said"
"YOU DIDN'T READ MY POST!!!"

Its getting so tiresome I just don't look forward to discussions online anymore anywhere. I didn't read between the lines and create a straw man, the post I quoted clearly said "best" is like showing off and not relevant. I didn't agree and was greeted with a response of "I didn't read it".

 

[DeepIn2U]

Oh great that lovely defense of YOU DIDN'T READ! If what I quoted was false, you should not have stated it. I read your post entirely, I did not agree with your complaining about using the term best and saying the OP was just showing off. You clearly said it. Why is everything such a hassle these days? You clearly said it, I quoted it.

"Staying you have the 'best" stuff is just, I don't know not necessary, almost adolescent to showing off at show and tell, and not relevant in any way to your experience or account being told here."

Your words....exactly. You should not have stated it if you did not agree with your own statements.

yet NOT of your posts stated anything about disagreeing of showing off. So either you didn't read my post - not a defence based on your lengthy quote OR as you now clarified completely off topic of what you quoted.

Simple. Stay on topic of what you quote. Your adolescence is your inability to focus on what you quoted. I stated my own opinion and placed reasonable reasons for it - non of which you've clearly stated in your original quote of mine. That's your problem/mistake, not mine.

I didn't tell you what NOT to post, so don't be arrogant to tell me to do so - free well, and in line with this forums rules. I didn't to the op as well ( I believe so, show me I'm wrong and if I am in this specific regard I'll apologize with no reservations).

Exactly what statement did I make that I did not agree with?! lol. Adolescence running about your words here.

 

[I7guy]

Thanks for sharing your experience, and I'm glad everything is overall working pretty well for you. My own experiences have been somewhat mixed recently. My mac and iPad I love, they basically give me no problems at all. But the iPhone - urgh. I've had so many problems with iPhones for years now.

The X was terrible for me but I thought things would improve. The XS max was worse. Perhaps foolishly I gave it another try with the 11 pro max and it has been the worst of the lot. Half the time it won't let me make phone calls. Texts don't work. Alerts don't work, or randomly come through on devices when I've specified they shouldn't. Teams literally kicks me out every 5 seconds after I connect. These problems have also made my watch far less useful than it used to be.

I've now switched to a Samsung Note 20 and find it infinitely better in every single respect. So for me the convenience of the ecosystem has been a downfall, with one dud device spoiling the use of other things. I am a huge fan of Apple devices but I'm happy to be away from the one I always loved most

My experience with the XS Max seemingly is the opposite of yours as I have had virtually no issues with the max(*).

* - the max has been reliable and has never left me unable to make a phone call. Doesn't mean it's been 100% bug free in the (3+) years I have owned it in every aspect of it's operation. As no software is 100% bug free.

 

[DeepIn2U]

In the original poster’s defense of what you’re saying it did say “best” within quotation marks. I thinking most of us understand what that means in terms of IT stuff: the most performant and “beefy” systems. But I do agree if looking at the details what is best and not depends on the user and the use case.

At the same time I’d say a more performant system where the device does things faster (shorter time) and with a higher frame rate is generally objectively better than a slower system as long as power consumption and noise levels aren’t worse relative to the slower system. Or am I wrong? Everything is subjective, even the value of time? 🤔🙂

Time is subjective. It's a concept/construct created by us humans and our perception of it rules us, guides us, helps us measure accomplishments, failures, lifespan of other creatures etc. Subjective in how one feels dying before their own personal perceived time, or as Bette Midler (wonderful human being) many across the globe felt died too early. subjective. In the perception of accumulated wealth of some ... not enough time to acquire more wealth or that one used their time efficiently (Rockefeller, Musk, Besos, place your personal favourite in history here, etc).

A high performance system that does things faster 9shorter time) and with a higher frame rate is generally objectively better than slower system as you say, mostly agreed. Let's now apply that to M1 Pro and M1 Pro Max in current MBPs 14 and 16-inch models and depending on the task or even many of the same tasks/software things become blurred. Reviews and even mounting posts in various threads on those cpu's here shown there is some differences ... that's why I made the quotes and the statements I did about 'best' from our OP, I'm sure they mean well and it's their own personal account - NOT what I'm contesting, just the perceived or my perceived choice of specifics of the post.

I'm not nor did I ever state or mean (as someone else is attacking me on these lines) state our OP was wrong or shouldn't say a word, I believe I stated probably not the best choice of word 'best' to use along with being a content creator, as many on YouTube tend to show off what they feel is 'best' as a form of marketing, NOT what actually words for them.

that's why here and now I mentioned M1 Pro vs M1 Max in a soft debate of your second paragraph, to show the 'best' based on performance isn't truly 'best' just because of specs or stats is what I mean, but best is what does the job best for you, him, her, and they/them.

I think for the most part we agree and that's cool and hope it's cool with you, just saying 'best' changes from person to person, product to product based on marketing states, testing results, etc.

 

[I7guy]

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I think for the most part we agree and that's cool and hope it's cool with you, just saying 'best' changes from person to person, product to product based on marketing states, testing results, etc.

100%. Using intel cpus as an example and core i9 is has better specs on paper than an i3. That part is objective. More cores, higher clock speeds etc. Also the i9 costs more than the i3 and that may render the i3 "best" for some as objectively, it costs less.

 

[DeepIn2U]

100%. Using intel cpus as an example and core i9 is has better specs on paper than an i3. That part is objective. More cores, higher clock speeds etc. Also the i9 costs more than the i3 and that may render the i3 "best" for some as objectively, it costs less.

Thanks you understand what I'm saying/thinking. Gracias.

 

[star-affinity]

Time is subjective. It's a concept/construct created by us humans and our perception of it rules us, guides us, helps us measure accomplishments, failures, lifespan of other creatures etc. Subjective in how one feels dying before their own personal perceived time, or as Bette Midler (wonderful human being) many across the globe felt died too early. subjective. In the perception of accumulated wealth of some ... not enough time to acquire more wealth or that one used their time efficiently (Rockefeller, Musk, Besos, place your personal favourite in history here, etc).

Hmm… I think it's more correct to say that the perception of time is subjective. Because one minute isn't longer than two just because someone perceives it that way. One meter isn't longer than two just because someone perceives it that way. The Earth isn't flat just because someone perceives it that way.

 

[NLLV]

I remember a friend had some trouble with notifications from iMessages didn't come through, but that was a few years ago. Think it got resolved. Wonder what the cause of your problems might be. Sounds like it might be something with your Apple account server side wise. ? Not sure why you would otherwise get that problems starting fresh with a device.

For me iMessages works well overall – use it every day. Just wish it was possible to edit a sent message. ?

Our issues came from moving from Android phones that had RCS enabled. This is solved by putting the sim BACK in the Android phone, disabling RCS in whatever app you use for messaging, and then putting back into the iPhone.

 

[johnkree]

I was a Computer nerd since elementary school. My first computer was a Apple III my mum bought cheap at the company she was working at.
Karateka was one of my first games.
But all the other nerds at school had a PC so I emptied my bank account and bought a 486 with 4 MB RAM. I’ve build tons of gaming machines since then. I put so much money into pc gaming.
I was Windows user since 3.11… and I lived through all the ups and downs of Microsoft. Windows Vista. Oh dear.
In 2011 I bought the cheapest MacBook Pro 13“. And for work stuff I never looked back. I don’t want to miss the ease of MacOS anymore. The convenience of using the touch pad. Writing a note on the iPhone and finishing it on the Mac. Copy pasting from one device to the other.
I‘m still having a gaming rig with windows 10 on it. But boy it feels like Stone Age compared to the Apple ecosystem.

PS:
Because some people mentioned that Office is superior to Apple Numbers, Pages,…
This may be the case if you need everything Excel has to offer. But most people I know don’t need this stuff. And for them Numbers is much easier to use and to understand. I wrote my scientific work in markdown and exported it to Word. And it was a mess. Then I exported it to Pages and not a single issue. This reliability is what makes Apple great. It just works. There are flaws and all yes but not one Apple device has let me down a single day in 11 years now.

 

[HalfFullmoon]

I was a Computer nerd since elementary school. My first computer was a Apple III my mum bought cheap at the company she was working at.
Karateka was one of my first games.
But all the other nerds at school had a PC so I emptied my bank account and bought a 486 with 4 MB RAM. I’ve build tons of gaming machines since then. I put so much money into pc gaming.
I was Windows user since 3.11… and I lived through all the ups and downs of Microsoft. Windows Vista. Oh dear.
In 2011 I bought the cheapest MacBook Pro 13“. And for work stuff I never looked back. I don’t want to miss the ease of MacOS anymore. The convenience of using the touch pad. Writing a note on the iPhone and finishing it on the Mac. Copy pasting from one device to the other.
I‘m still having a gaming rig with windows 10 on it. But boy it feels like Stone Age compared to the Apple ecosystem.

PS:
Because some people mentioned that Office is superior to Apple Numbers, Pages,…
This may be the case if you need everything Excel has to offer. But most people I know don’t need this stuff. And for them Numbers is much easier to use and to understand. I wrote my scientific work in markdown and exported it to Word. And it was a mess. Then I exported it to Pages and not a single issue. This reliability is what makes Apple great. It just works. There are flaws and all yes but not one Apple device has let me down a single day in 11 years now.

Are you still using the MacBook Pro from 2011 without issues? A family member had/has one from 2012 and it was slowed down quite terribly. I had to buy her another one last year.

 

[johnkree]

Are you still using the MacBook Pro from 2011 without issues? A family member had/has one from 2012 and it was slowed down quite terribly. I had to buy her another one last year.

No, after 10 years the battery failed and began to bloat so I had to take it out. I didn’t want to put money into it and upgraded to the MacBook Air M1.

 

[HalfFullmoon]

No, after 10 years the battery failed and began to bloat so I had to take it out. I didn’t want to put money into it and upgraded to the MacBook Air M1.

No issues until then, software and hardware wise?

 

[johnkree]

No issues until then, software and hardware wise?

Software: I had to live with the limitations of the OS. High Sierra was the last I installed and it got very slow with the harddrive. After I installed a SSD it was fast as hell. Some apps wanted a newer OS so I had to use older versions.

Hardware: there was a problem with a flat harddrive cable which was a known issue. The cable was rubbing on a sharp edge and this damaged it somehow. But it was 5€ and very easy to change. Nothing else failed. Everything worked like on the day I bought it.