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tommiy

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Dec 11, 2015
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Wish I could say the same thing. I've essentially just got office installed on my MAC...not much else. My issues started with the Mojave .6 sup2 update which resulted in the kernel trying to change external monitor resolution every 10-50ms when nightshift kicked in. After much kernel debugging to prove to Apple it was not me and that reinstalling Mojave did nothing i was told that Catalina fixed it. Unfortunately Catalina install killed my firmware and the logic board needed replacing. The graphic driver issues became worse and instead of one issue i had 4. Lodged all of those with Apple with details over a year ago and they are still not fixed. I watched all the issues on subsequent dot release of external monitor issues (3 threads on Apple community and over 100k reads) that have run for pages as to how each release resulted in previous working external hardware no longer functioning and every one searching for work arounds to Apples issues. I decided at that point there was no value in updating to any further releases due to the obvious inability to release a OS that actually does really 'just work'. I have work arounds to the current external monitor issues that frustrate me every single day that I need to work with my MBP but at least I have a way to make it work rather than those that simply get kernel Panics or go and purchase half a dozen new pieces of hardware to try and find one that Apple still likes. So unfortunately for myself and probably many others that have been burnt by the entire Catalina experience and lack of ability to fix it has reached the point to find an alternative. I think my MBP will become a toy rather than a work horse and that a windows PC may deliver back the 'it just works experience'. And yes I have reloaded the OS from scratch multiple times, have reset SMC, PRAM muliple times, have turned off every possible incarnation of OS setting that is available, have had my logic board replaced and still the problems persist. Its an Apple. You just need to live with the fact that you need to work around all the issues and spend and invest time doing that.Just look at the KP threads here and the fact of how long they have been running. Its not an uncommon problem with MBP over the last year unfortunately and there is no resolution other than holding your tongue a certain way while dancing on one foot. The greatest problem I have is there is no way to revert your firmware back to what came with the OS when your rolling backwards. This seems to cause problems with external monitors for some reason.
 
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richinaus

macrumors 68020
Oct 26, 2014
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Sorry to be a lone wolf, but I am having no issues with Catalina (now on OS 10.15.7) at all. All my software (all of it is third party) works fine, and everything just feels rock solid. I will be using it until, most likely, January, as that is when Tech Tool Pro will finally have a version that will be compatible with Big Sur (making the logical assumption (also based on past history) that the remainder of my third party applications will be compatible). And by that time, most likely Big Sur will be up to V11.3 (or maybe V11.4), which of course means that just about all the bugs in V11.0, V11.1, and V11.2 will be gone. I am anticipating a smooth transition at that time.

I guess it all depends on what 3rd party apps you are using.
None of mine work as well as they do on the pc.
Also none of my apps have any announcements at all of compatibility with AS.
I have little to no confidence for me using Macs in my business for the next 2 years. As I am platform agnostic it is no big deal to swap around, so am doing just that.
I will keep the Macs at home to do what they do best - use apple apps.
 
Here is all the third party software I use:

1. 1Password
2. LibreOffice
3. Thunderbird
4. Brave (primary browser; I occasionally use Firefox and Opera, but only for specific "tasks")
5. Tech Tool Pro
6. SuperDuper!
7. VLC
8. Transmission
9. Quicken 2017
10. EasyFind
11. AppCleaner
12. Onyx
13. Klondike Forever (a simple Solitaire game, something to entertain myself)
14. ClamXAV (*)
15. Macs Fan Control (*)
16. RipIt! (*)
17. MemoryClean2
18. VueScan

I have a couple of other "obscure" ones that I use on rare occasions. Also, the ones marked with an "*" are ones I do not use much.

I have never used Apple's Mail program, as I seem to read about constant issues with it. Same with Safari. And Safari is just too slow compared to Brave.

I used to use Office 2016, but I had a serious issue with Outlook, so that is when I switched to LibreOffice and Thunderbird. They are rock solid.

And of course I always insure to use the latest versions of each.
 

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Nov 3, 2018
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I guess it all depends on what 3rd party apps you are using.
None of mine work as well as they do on the pc.
Also none of my apps have any announcements at all of compatibility with AS.
I have little to no confidence for me using Macs in my business for the next 2 years. As I am platform agnostic it is no big deal to swap around, so am doing just that.
I will keep the Macs at home to do what they do best - use apple apps.

Catalina has been catastrophic even at that. I've never ever had preview crash before, now it happens almost daily. Maybe had Mail crash once or twice a year. Now it's once or twice a year. It's the same behavior on multiple Macs running Catalina, so I think it really is Catalina.
 

richinaus

macrumors 68020
Oct 26, 2014
2,431
2,186
Here is all the third party software I use:

1. 1Password
2. LibreOffice
3. Thunderbird
4. Brave (primary browser; I occasionally use Firefox and Opera, but only for specific "tasks")
5. Tech Tool Pro
6. SuperDuper!
7. VLC
8. Transmission
9. Quicken 2017
10. EasyFind
11. AppCleaner
12. Onyx
13. Klondike Forever (a simple Solitaire game, something to entertain myself)
14. ClamXAV (*)
15. Macs Fan Control (*)
16. RipIt! (*)
17. MemoryClean2
18. VueScan

I have a couple of other "obscure" ones that I use on rare occasions. Also, the ones marked with an "*" are ones I do not use much.

I have never used Apple's Mail program, as I seem to read about constant issues with it. Same with Safari. And Safari is just too slow compared to Brave.

I used to use Office 2016, but I had a serious issue with Outlook, so that is when I switched to LibreOffice and Thunderbird. They are rock solid.

And of course I always insure to use the latest versions of each.

Does any of this actually challenge your computer?

I am running Fusion 360, Rhino, Twinmotion, AutoCAD, Adobe suite, Evernote, Todoist, Miro.

It is all the 3D apps that cause the MBP issues. It is telling how they are not optimised for a Mac........
 
Does any of this actually challenge your computer?

I am running Fusion 360, Rhino, Twinmotion, AutoCAD, Adobe suite, Evernote, Todoist, Miro.

It is all the 3D apps that cause the MBP issues. It is telling how they are not optimised for a Mac........
Don't know. But that makes no difference to me. All my applications (and ALL of them are third party) work flawlessly.
 

Plutonius

macrumors G3
Feb 22, 2003
9,223
8,879
New Hampshire, USA
I'm surprised that many people think that all the software issues will go away when Apple comes out with Big Sur ?

I think that it's more likely that Big Sur will fix some Catalina issues but will also introduce new issues.
 
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chinchillas

macrumors regular
Apr 3, 2015
135
30
My headache has been Time Machine and encryption of external drives. Also heating. Other than that no problems on a 2015 MBP. I use tons of 3rd party apps as well.
 

WilliamDu

macrumors 6502
May 22, 2012
267
98
After watching the forums from day 1 of Catalina, I've never touched it so haven't had a problem getting rid of it.
I see no reason for anyone to expect Big Sur to be any better.
The disastrous increase in problems with each upgrade so far preaches otherwise.
Apple won't do anything about their disastrous Mac OS unless and until it hits their Mac sales, if then.
So much of their bottom line is from other lines, they apparently don't really care.
Cook obviously prefers to concentrate all his software horsepower on the portables.
After 40 years from the Apple II on up, I'm not buying another Mac although my 2012 iMacs are really old.
They work fine and do everything I need on Mojave and don't chew up my iTunes files or artwork.
Apple died with Jobs.
 

CLS7

macrumors 6502
Jul 13, 2016
296
125
Malmoe, Sweden
Sorry to be a lone wolf, but I am having no issues with Catalina (now on OS 10.15.7) at all. All my software (all of it is third party) works fine, and everything just feels rock solid. I will be using it until, most likely, January, as that is when Tech Tool Pro will finally have a version that will be compatible with Big Sur (making the logical assumption (also based on past history) that the remainder of my third party applications will be compatible). And by that time, most likely Big Sur will be up to V11.3 (or maybe V11.4), which of course means that just about all the bugs in V11.0, V11.1, and V11.2 will be gone. I am anticipating a smooth transition at that time.

I agree, Catalina (10.15.7) also work fine on my iMac (late 2015). I have tried Big Sur Beta and found it has too many bugs and now when it soon will be final released I'm sure there still be a lot of bugs in it. So I will stay on Catalina for long time.
 
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I agree, Catalina (10.15.7) also work fine on my iMac (late 2015). I have tried Big Sur Beta and found it has too many bugs and now when it soon will be final released I'm sure there still be a lot of bugs in it. So I will stay on Catalina for long time.
Thank you.

As I've stated many times, I will not "move" to Big Sur until ALL my third party applications are compatible with it. And based on many years of past history, that will not happen until Tech Tool Pro has a compatible version, which will be between late December and late January. By that time, I suspect V11.3 or V11/4 of Big Sur will have been released, and most of the earlier bugs will be corrected by then. Meanwhile, I will continue to use Catalina, as it is definitely stable.
 

dlopan

macrumors 6502
Jun 17, 2008
354
347
Albuquerque
I too have had problems, one thing I did that helps cleaning out the caches using onyx. Keeps the machine from slowing down. Mostly. I should have stayed on Mojave or earlier. Late 2013 MBP.
 
I too have had problems, one thing I did that helps cleaning out the caches using onyx. Keeps the machine from slowing down. Mostly. I should have stayed on Mojave or earlier. Late 2013 MBP.
Onyx is an excellent program. I've been using it for years. Of course, it is imperative to use the version specific to the mac OS one is running.

Using it and Tech Tool Pro keeps both of my Macs running without any issues.
 
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