I just want to hear what others think cause this has been gnawing at me. I'm not really enjoying the idea that OSX is being converted to be more like iOS. I like the iOS system, but I think OSX should be one thing and iOS should be another and not copies, which is what it seems like their doing with Mountain Lion. I want to go on my computer and feel like I'm on a computer, not a big iPad.
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I don't wan't OSX to be like iOS.
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apple wants to have one single os across all devices. if you feel that is bad for you, go back to microsoft 
Aside from Launchpad (which is completely optional), gestures (which are also completely optional), and possibly full-screen mode (again, optional), how do you think it feels like "a big iPad"?
I keep seeing people say this, but I have not seen any specific examples. Most issues with Lion are either changes that have nothing to do with making OS X more like iOS, or are bugs.
Is it really like iOS though? They way i see it they want to unify OS X technologies across all platforms.
-Notifications on a desktop makes sense (Growl already did this).
-Integration with iCloud is simply the future.
-Messaging integration was long overdue. It was starting to fragment (iChat, Facetime, iMessage)
-Launchpad is just an app browser and you don't even have to use it. Ditto for scrolling, gestures etc.
I'm more worried with the direction MS is taking with Windows 8 as it seems they are actually trying to merge the desktop and mobile platform right down to the UI. Whereas Apple are just streamlining OS X, bringing useful mobile features into the desktop, and integrating with the cloud.
Granted it hasn't been error free but overall...
Can't say i really have too many objections.
-Notifications on a desktop makes sense (Growl already did this).
-Integration with iCloud is simply the future.
-Messaging integration was long overdue. It was starting to fragment (iChat, Facetime, iMessage)
-Launchpad is just an app browser and you don't even have to use it. Ditto for scrolling, gestures etc.
I'm more worried with the direction MS is taking with Windows 8 as it seems they are actually trying to merge the desktop and mobile platform right down to the UI. Whereas Apple are just streamlining OS X, bringing useful mobile features into the desktop, and integrating with the cloud.
Granted it hasn't been error free but overall...
Can't say i really have too many objections.
i have yet to see anything thats bad thats being put into OS X from iOS. in fact i've really enjoyed Lion so far and can't wait for Mountain Lion.
I use all of iCloud's features frequently for school, and having everything effortlessly sync with my Mac has made things 100x easier for me.
I cannot wait to finally get my hands on Mountain Lion, as it seems the integration of iOS and Mac will finally be complete.
All of my documents, reminders... EVERYTHING is just "there" no matter what device I'm using, and that saves a ton of time. Mountain Lion improves upon this by adding an iOS-like Reminders app, and improving iWork apps to eliminate the need for visiting iCloud.com to sync files.
I picked up my iPhone in class today to edit a spreadsheet I had created on my iPad weeks ago.... then came home and worked on it some more on my Mac. Mountain Lion will make opening it even easier on the Mac, and I welcome that iOS-like change with open arms.
Are the iOS-like features going to hinder you in some way, or inhibit your productivity?? Or is your complaint simply out of the desire to not want change?
I cannot wait to finally get my hands on Mountain Lion, as it seems the integration of iOS and Mac will finally be complete.
All of my documents, reminders... EVERYTHING is just "there" no matter what device I'm using, and that saves a ton of time. Mountain Lion improves upon this by adding an iOS-like Reminders app, and improving iWork apps to eliminate the need for visiting iCloud.com to sync files.
I picked up my iPhone in class today to edit a spreadsheet I had created on my iPad weeks ago.... then came home and worked on it some more on my Mac. Mountain Lion will make opening it even easier on the Mac, and I welcome that iOS-like change with open arms.
Are the iOS-like features going to hinder you in some way, or inhibit your productivity?? Or is your complaint simply out of the desire to not want change?
Exactly. People were worried when they saw Launchpad in Lion because they thought, "Well maybe this is what OS X is going to become completely."
But Mountain Lion should nix those fears. Things like Notification Center, Reminders, Notes, Messages - these are examples of good, seamless integration.
Does anyone really think bringing Notification Center to OS X is a bad thing? Or that adding iMessage support to iChat (which is essentially all "Messages" does) is bad? Or more seamless iCloud document sharing is bad?
For the people who complain that "This should be 10.7.5" or the like: please say what incredible, mind-blowing features you'd like. The reality is that the Desktop has gotten to a point where there's not really much you can add.
Like it or not, the next decade for Apple is going to be all about seamless integration with all your devices. So it won't matter if you're on your Mac or your iPhone or your iPad because all your data will be on all your devices.
If you haven't caught on to this the last 2-3 years with everything Apple has been doing, you should see it now.
apple wants to have one single os across all devices. if you feel that is bad for you, go back to microsoft
I guess you haven't seen the Windows 8 dev preview. Either way, Apple isn't holding a gun to your head...
Exactly, Apple isn't the one pushing for one OS across all devices. They are the ones that recognized that an interface based on direct multitouch input is fundamentally different than the interface that you would use with mouse/trackpad input. These two things can't be combined. Switched between, maybe if you have a device that switches between input methods, but not combined.
My personal feel is that a lot of the apprehension is the result of decades of listening to Microsoft schmoozing about the forthcoming "great thing" and the horrendous disappointment that almost always followed. It has created a very negative view of tech company promises.
So far Apple has surpassed my expectations. Hopefully they will continue to do so. They've earned some leeway.
So far Apple has surpassed my expectations. Hopefully they will continue to do so. They've earned some leeway.
I've yet to see a single thing in Lion and now Mountain Lion that if you didn't use an iOS device at all still isn't really helpful.
OK Launchpad, but that's much like dashboard it doesn't get in my way and I can just ignore both of them.
Improved Security - yep big tick and we've only seen the most obvious security improvement.
You also have to consider what we've seen today is really just the banner features. Over the months till it's released well get more and more details that will be the real improvements to the OS that help you get stuff done.
OK Launchpad, but that's much like dashboard it doesn't get in my way and I can just ignore both of them.
Improved Security - yep big tick and we've only seen the most obvious security improvement.
You also have to consider what we've seen today is really just the banner features. Over the months till it's released well get more and more details that will be the real improvements to the OS that help you get stuff done.
Why? what do you care? It does the same things its always done, more, and looks nicer.
What is your problem?
I really hate paging through dozens of pages of apps that aren't alphabetized and I must manually drag them around and organize them. I really hate doing without the ability to share files between apps on my iPad without making a copy of the file for each app that touches it. If sandboxed apps on OS X ML work the same way, I'd be very frustrated.
I'm not saying iOS is bad. I'm saying it doesn't fit my desktop workflow. The thing is, I think Apple would rather go after the millions of iOS faithful who might buy a Mac if they think it will be "the same" as their iOS device. And those guys don't have a workflow, except possibly on Windows. And I don't call what I do on Windows workflow. I think it's best referred to as suffering.
Then there's the whole hardware issue. I just upgraded hardware in mid 2011 so I'd be ready for Lion and now Apple tells me it's time to break out the checkbook again? So soon? You see I could get everything I needed to be Lion-ready from Crucial and OWC. But I can't ditch these Intel graphics without spending the BIG bucks so I'll probably be on the ML sidelines for quite some time. Not that I think I wouldn't like it. It's just about the cost of upgrading hardware twice in less than a year.
I'm not saying iOS is bad. I'm saying it doesn't fit my desktop workflow. The thing is, I think Apple would rather go after the millions of iOS faithful who might buy a Mac if they think it will be "the same" as their iOS device. And those guys don't have a workflow, except possibly on Windows. And I don't call what I do on Windows workflow. I think it's best referred to as suffering.
Then there's the whole hardware issue. I just upgraded hardware in mid 2011 so I'd be ready for Lion and now Apple tells me it's time to break out the checkbook again? So soon? You see I could get everything I needed to be Lion-ready from Crucial and OWC. But I can't ditch these Intel graphics without spending the BIG bucks so I'll probably be on the ML sidelines for quite some time. Not that I think I wouldn't like it. It's just about the cost of upgrading hardware twice in less than a year.
apple wants to have one single os across all devices. if you feel that is bad for you, go back to microsoft
That's not what Apple wants nor what is going to happen.
really tiring, if you dont want change and improvement in your OS, perfect, buy yourself a windows pc.
One of the reasons why I made a move to mac years ago, I was tired of working with basically the same OS for more than a decade.
It is important to further bring your devices closer together. apple is setting a pipeline and can very well see and define how computing will look like in 5+ years time. I'd say times running up for desktop PCs and laptops anyway. Apple is already building the foundation for that. It is a slow transition but an Air like mbp would definitely be a step towards that direction (this will obviously take at least another decade or so, referring to the end of desktop and laptops).
One of the reasons why I made a move to mac years ago, I was tired of working with basically the same OS for more than a decade.
It is important to further bring your devices closer together. apple is setting a pipeline and can very well see and define how computing will look like in 5+ years time. I'd say times running up for desktop PCs and laptops anyway. Apple is already building the foundation for that. It is a slow transition but an Air like mbp would definitely be a step towards that direction (this will obviously take at least another decade or so, referring to the end of desktop and laptops).
Fair enough, with Mountain Lion what specific feature that came from iOS are you complaining about. Admittedly I have not installed the OS yet, but now that my back is done I hope to do so.
I keep seeing people complaining about iOS features coming to OS X and to be honest, i think they're missing the salient point.
With Mountain Lion Apple are NOT trying to turn OS X into iOS. They're not trying to merge the two systems, they're trying to integrate them. iCloud is the main go-between for this integration, with syncing across all devices. If you want to see an example of a company trying to merge their mobile and desktop OS's, look no further than Microsoft.
With Mountain Lion Apple are NOT trying to turn OS X into iOS. They're not trying to merge the two systems, they're trying to integrate them. iCloud is the main go-between for this integration, with syncing across all devices. If you want to see an example of a company trying to merge their mobile and desktop OS's, look no further than Microsoft.
I for one welcome the integration. I cannot wait for ML to be released. I will also gladly pay the $29 upgrade fee, too.
I have an iPad 2 and a 2010 MacBook. Next will be an iPhone 4s or 5 depending on my upgrade options. The idea to have all these devices work together - with each other and simply syncing between everything is a fantastic one.
It will make life so much easier and I agree with the above - in a decade or so, I see the end of desktop PCs. They obviously will be around for much longer than that - but I don't see them going forward, like Apple is.
Microsofts idea of OS and Mobile OS into one form factor is not a great one IMHO.
Mr. Jobs once said that using a touch based OS on a laptop or desktop is not the way forward.
What Apple is doing is integrating the two.
I have an iPad 2 and a 2010 MacBook. Next will be an iPhone 4s or 5 depending on my upgrade options. The idea to have all these devices work together - with each other and simply syncing between everything is a fantastic one.
It will make life so much easier and I agree with the above - in a decade or so, I see the end of desktop PCs. They obviously will be around for much longer than that - but I don't see them going forward, like Apple is.
Microsofts idea of OS and Mobile OS into one form factor is not a great one IMHO.
Mr. Jobs once said that using a touch based OS on a laptop or desktop is not the way forward.
What Apple is doing is integrating the two.
Status Quo of whining: Apple has forgotten about the Mac, all they care about is the iPhone and the iPad. We're gonna never see updates, and OS X is be stagnant, and I'm going back to Windows.
Apple announces Mountain Lion, with lots of good features, and in the meantime promises yearly updates to the desktop OS.
Updated Whining: I hate this, they are adding in iOS features, I don't want a big iPad I want my life to be really hard, and not connected with mobile device at all. Yearly updates? That's too fast, that means the quality is going to be awful. Apple has forgotten what makes them good. SLOWNESS. No one wants to have a desktop OS that has large updates to increase functionality yearly, we want that to take huge amounts of time.
Apple announces Mountain Lion, with lots of good features, and in the meantime promises yearly updates to the desktop OS.
Updated Whining: I hate this, they are adding in iOS features, I don't want a big iPad I want my life to be really hard, and not connected with mobile device at all. Yearly updates? That's too fast, that means the quality is going to be awful. Apple has forgotten what makes them good. SLOWNESS. No one wants to have a desktop OS that has large updates to increase functionality yearly, we want that to take huge amounts of time.
Wait, why would you need new hardware? I just installed Lion on my late '08 MacBook and I'm planning to do the same with Mountain Lion. Granted, I got a RAM upgrade after installing Lion, but that was necessary since Snow Leopard and probably just a sign of me using my Mac differently than I did my PC, with lots of open apps at once.
As for the dozens of pages of not-automatically-ordered apps and the sandboxing, I'm pretty sure that's not how it'll work - you can still keep your old ways of accessing apps, no need for using Launchpad, and the shared file system isn't going anywhere either.
iOS 6 will now be called Lion Cub since it is a slimmed down version
Funny they are pushing for a new OS this summer, I am still migrating from SL to Lion, by the time I am fully into Lion, ML will be out, whew I need coffee
Funny they are pushing for a new OS this summer, I am still migrating from SL to Lion, by the time I am fully into Lion, ML will be out, whew I need coffee
Actually I'm quite happy with mountain lion
it really provides a tight integration with apple ecosystem (iCloud) without loosing the typical UI paradigm of a desktop OS.