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Brought it a couple of days ago, brought it for 1250 for 12.9 512gb. Shall I keep it and get the M2 for 1449?
I don’t know. It depends how much a 12% single core boost, 20% multi core boost, and 30% GPU boost is worth to you. The M2 has a ProRes engine, is that worth something?

Don’t listen to anyone else, weigh up the spec bump vs saving £200. There’s no bad decision if you go with what you really want.
 

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I don’t know. It depends how much a 12% single core boost, 20% multi core boost, and 30% GPU boost is worth to you. The M2 has a ProRes engine, is that worth something?

Don’t listen to anyone else, weigh up the spec bump vs saving £200. There’s no bad decision if you go with what you really want.

The M1 is already crazy overpowered for iOS. Very few users will even be able to tell the difference with the relatively modest performance bump. ProRes is relevant only if you are using the camera, and the M2 uses the same camera as the iPhone 12 so what is the use of ProRes?
 

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The M1 is already crazy overpowered for iOS. Very few users will even be able to tell the difference with the relatively modest performance bump. ProRes is relevant only if you are using the camera, and the M2 uses the same camera as the iPhone 12 so what is the use of ProRes?
Openly admitting lack of knowledge - giving advice anyway.
 

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I've decided to keep the M1, as spending extra 200£ for no reason, I really don't need the "extra power" from M2, the Pen thing is neat, but not sure how useful that is..... Only thing I will find useful is the double WIFI speed for my 3 gigabit broadband at home, but really, downloading on an iPad is not something I do often... Thanks all....
 

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I've decided to keep the M1, as spending extra 200£ for no reason, I really don't need the "extra power" from M2, the Pen thing is neat, but not sure how useful that is..... Only thing I will find useful is the double WIFI speed for my 3 gigabit broadband at home, but really, downloading on an iPad is not something I do often... Thanks all....

WiFi 6E would require your access point to also have 6E support with the majority of installed devices not having it.

I myself have 1GB symmetric, and I have a WiFi 6 access point, but because if duplexing, I only get around 600-700 of the theoretical limit, even at under 15 feet from the device.

The 1.7Gbps Wi-Fi speed is one that’s hard to replicate, rarely are there environments which are free from noise and other interferences.
 

maxsquared

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WiFi 6E would require your access point to also have 6E support with the majority of installed devices not having it.

I myself have 1GB symmetric, and I have a WiFi 6 access point, but because if duplexing, I only get around 600-700 of the theoretical limit, even at under 15 feet from the device.

The 1.7Gbps Wi-Fi speed is one that’s hard to replicate, rarely are there environments which are free from noise and other interferences.
Mmmm, I don’t actually think the new iPad is 6 ghz, so it doesn’t need 6e router(with 6 ghz support). Rather it has 2.4 gbs speed with 2x2, this indicates it has 160mhz, which I have, so in theory, i can achieve 1.2 - 1.4 gbps with my router, though, I can’t test it.
 

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The M1 is already crazy overpowered for iOS. Very few users will even be able to tell the difference with the relatively modest performance bump. ProRes is relevant only if you are using the camera, and the M2 uses the same camera as the iPhone 12 so what is the use of ProRes?
What you or I would do in this situation is irrelevant, it’s about what the OP thinks. No one else can answer the question for the OP (as we all have our needs and desires which motivate us), so the OP needs to ask her/himself what matters to them:
- weighing up the M2’s spec bump vs money saving with the M1, and
- considering whether the M2’s features are compelling enough to make the purchase worthwhile

The M1 is fine enough for some people, but others want the latest and fastest (M2) when they come to buy into a new iPad.
 
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ct2k7

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Mmmm, I don’t actually think the new iPad is 6 ghz, so it doesn’t need 6e router(with 6 ghz support). Rather it has 2.4 gbs speed with 2x2, this indicates it has 160mhz, which I have, so in theory, i can achieve 1.2 - 1.4 gbps with my router, though, I can’t test it.
The specs says “
  • Wi‑Fi 6E (802.11ax) with 2x2 MIMO, simultaneous dual band (2.4GHz and 5GHz)4
My understanding is that the extension of 6 is the ability to Rx and Tx in the 6Ghz band, which does require new hardware.
 

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The specs says “
  • Wi‑Fi 6E (802.11ax) with 2x2 MIMO, simultaneous dual band (2.4GHz and 5GHz)4
My understanding is that the extension of 6 is the ability to Rx and Tx in the 6Ghz band, which does require new hardware.
But it says dual band, 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz
 

ct2k7

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But it says dual band, 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz

Yes, dual band in both 2.4 and 5 - and doesn't mention 6GHz.

Either way, if your access point doesn't transmit or receive on 6GHz, you're not going to magically be able to use that band. It is only dual-band in 2.4 and 5Ghz bands.

Yes, you can use 160Mhz channels in 5Ghz, but you're inviting DFS and other interference issues.
 
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lordhamster

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I really doubt you would ever notice £200 worth of performance - for iPad OS M2 over M1 is meaningless.
The extra 200 also buys an extra year of software support... an aspect many folks seem to be overlooking. For me that is probably the only compelling difference between the two models.

I had the option to buy an M1 11 inch for $50 less than the new one. At such a close price difference, it was a no brainer to go with the M2.

I was also looking at the 12.9 inch which costco has for a $275 difference. There I was tempted. I basically could either pocket the change, or get a better spec version of the older model for the same price.
 

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The extra 200 also buys an extra year of software support... an aspect many folks seem to be overlooking. For me that is probably the only compelling difference between the two models.

I had the option to buy an M1 11 inch for $50 less than the new one. At such a close price difference, it was a no brainer to go with the M2.

I was also looking at the 12.9 inch which costco has for a $275 difference. There I was tempted. I basically could either pocket the change, or get a better spec version of the older model for the same price.

OP is purchasing in the UK, and generally, the differences are bigger than $200, few retailers are going to offer a difference of £50. That said, support is NOT a given.
 

Duncan-UK

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I cannot believe that Apple are going to magically introduce features in say 5 years time that the M1 won't support but the M2 will - and even if they did, it's not as if the apps being used at some hypothetical time will magically stop working. For all practical purposes there is no difference between the two iPads and if you can get one for a couple of hundred quid less than the other then its a no-brainer.

If the OP is using an iPad Pro for anything vaguely Pro (which with all due respect I doubt) then they wouldn't be using an M1 or an M2 in five or six years time...
 

mi7chy

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Return and rebuy M1 at lower price. Don't waste money on M2 sidegrade.
 

lordhamster

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I cannot believe that Apple are going to magically introduce features in say 5 years time that the M1 won't support but the M2 will - and even if they did, it's not as if the apps being used at some hypothetical time will magically stop working. For all practical purposes there is no difference between the two iPads and if you can get one for a couple of hundred quid less than the other then its a no-brainer.

If the OP is using an iPad Pro for anything vaguely Pro (which with all due respect I doubt) then they wouldn't be using an M1 or an M2 in five or six years time...
I don't mean new features, I just mean updates. On older devices, once they fall out of support, the clock tends to start ticking for apps. Apps only support old versions of the OS for so long. Not saying it is the most critical factor, but when the discount for the old model is minimal (like it was when I looked) then it IS a consideration that is frankly more important to me than the hardware differences.
 

rui no onna

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I don't mean new features, I just mean updates. On older devices, once they fall out of support, the clock tends to start ticking for apps. Apps only support old versions of the OS for so long. Not saying it is the most critical factor, but when the discount for the old model is minimal (like it was when I looked) then it IS a consideration that is frankly more important to me than the hardware differences.

I’m expecting 4-6 years useful life from the M1 iPad Pro. Chances are I’ve already switched to a new model (as I usually do) before Apple stops providing firmware updates.

As for M1 vs M2, that depends on pricing and availability. I still haven’t seen any killer deals on the 5G versions of the M1 iPad Pro so for now, M2 via Apple EDU is an option we’re considering.
 
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Duncan-UK

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I don't mean new features, I just mean updates. On older devices, once they fall out of support, the clock tends to start ticking for apps. Apps only support old versions of the OS for so long. Not saying it is the most critical factor, but when the discount for the old model is minimal (like it was when I looked) then it IS a consideration that is frankly more important to me than the hardware differences.
The OP said the difference was £200 - that isn't minimal. And I think, with respect, you are just digging in here for the sake of it. How likely is it, genuinely, that an M1 will become obsolete in such a manner that critical apps etc are not going to work for it, but are going to work for the M2?

To repeat what I said before - if the user is a pro (although I appreciate that word is often meaningless these days - and what pro really would use an iPad over a MacBook Pro??) then what is the likelihood that in 6 years time they will still be using an M1 iPad Pro as their main machine, and thus be threatened by some notional withdrawal of important apps?

They will have moved onto new improved hardware way before this would be a threat!

If they are a non-Pro, then the basic functionality of an iPad Pro will be unaffected - it will still do everything most users would need. I have the original 12.9 inch iPad Pro from Autumn 2015 and it still runs fine and does everything I need. If there was something that needed a bit of extra oomph then I'd run it on my M1 iPad Pro.
 
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