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Michael Goff

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Oh yeah Windows 95 was much hated on.

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Well the Smart Cover introduced the concept of using magnets to turn off the screen. Microsoft took that exact tech and added a keyboard, like a throw in. There isn't anything fundamentally revolutionary about the Surface.

And Apple just added gestures to an already existing touch screen. I suppose in your world, that means the iPhone wasn't innovation. There were already Windows Mobile devices that could do what the iPhone could. Also, the iPod wasn't innovative either.

By your logic, no company has been innovative for a long time.
 

MacSince1990

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So... fire doesn't count?


I'm not sure that combustion is an innovation >_> unless you want to count Promethius...

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As far as I know they were. Just because you are using a command line doesn't mean you can't have symbolic links.

Erm.... right... but that isn't the same thing as a "shortcut" or "alias" as used on Windows of System/Mac OS.. an icon that links to another application.
 

roadbloc

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Erm.... right... but that isn't the same thing as a "shortcut" or "alias" as used on Windows of System/Mac OS.. an icon that links to another application.

Yes it is. Its just not as graphical. Its still a filetype that does nothing but provide a link to another file elsewhere on the filesystem. Just like a shortcut. Or an alias.
 

The Doctor11

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Why can't I break my Microsoft addiction then? I swear one of these days...
I hate them so much. Always have. But I can't get a Mac I'm 15. But a few weeks ago I started a YouTube channel (tech with Matthew is the channel) and I was using windows moviemaker to edit my videos. I hate them even more now. And when I uploaded the videos no matter what they would be smaller then they should be and then YouTube would ask if I wanted them to fix it so of course I said yes. But so did not ask. And if YouTube doesn't ask ok jus screwed. Thanks Microsoft I hate you more then before. And windows movie maker itself sucks.
 

roadbloc

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I take it back, Microsoft hasn't innovated a single thing ever.

Interesting how they can be top dog of PC OSs, Office software and gaming services without every once innovating. :rolleyes: Do you seriously beleive your words?
 

Steve121178

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At the time shortcuts and start menu were true innovation to the GUI. Everyone copied that(a true sign of innovation).

However take the last 15 years and no true innovations. Even people rave about the Surface keyboard don't seem to realize that they simply took Apple's innovation(Smart Cover for iPad) and extended by adding a keyboard.

Cortana is just a mash-up of Siri & Google Now.

Heck Windows Phone 8.1 doesn't even have gapless audio playback. Apparently a deficiency in the OS audio engine... Very sad state of affairs. I would think MS has a lot of talented software engineers, but no real visionary like Ive.

You focus only on consumer crap and none of Microsoft's professional products.

I can't take this thread seriously at all. But for the record, what do you think of Microsoft products such as SCCM, SCOM, SQL, Azure, Hyper-V, TS RemoteApp & Visio Studio and tell me why you don't think Microsoft have innovated since Windows 95?

Perhaps you can tell me your thoughts on MSDN/TechNet and the 'lack of innovation' into these services that every I.T. professional in the world would have used at some point.

And I'd love to hear how Microsoft's 'lack of innovation' still somehow managed to transform videogaming the world over in to what it is today.
 

smoledman

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Interesting how they can be top dog of PC OSs, Office software and gaming services without every once innovating. :rolleyes: Do you seriously beleive your words?

The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products.

- Steve Jobs

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You focus only on consumer crap and none of Microsoft's professional products.

I can't take this thread seriously at all. But for the record, what do you think of Microsoft products such as SCCM, SCOM, SQL, Azure, Hyper-V, TS RemoteApp & Visio Studio and tell me why you don't think Microsoft have innovated since Windows 95?

Perhaps you can tell me your thoughts on MSDN/TechNet and the 'lack of innovation' into these services that every I.T. professional in the world would have used at some point.

And I'd love to hear how Microsoft's 'lack of innovation' still somehow managed to transform videogaming the world over in to what it is today.

You mean how Sony revolutionized gaming through the PS2 and Microsoft copied them poorly?
 

Renzatic

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- Steve Jobs

Steve Job's MO was to lambast every competing company out there, and declare their products crap. "Don't look at those guys, we know how to do it right".

He really was the greatest salesman to ever live.

You mean how Sony revolutionized gaming through the PS2 and Microsoft copied them poorly?

The PS2 didn't do anything to add to the console experience beyond give it better graphics. On the other hand, the first Xbox brought Live to the table, which all but kickstarted the online multiplayer scene on the consoles. Up until that point, multiplayer was primarily a PC thing.
 

smoledman

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That quote doesn't come close to answering my question, . I don't want Steve Jobs opinion. Everybody knows Jobs' opinion. I was asking for yours.

I agree with Jobs opinion for the most part. The only things Microsoft has done that shows "culture" is Zune software and Windows Phone. But I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs was not aware of those things when he made that comment. I'm almost sure that that quote from Jobs drove Microsoft to put culture into their stuff.
 

roadbloc

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I agree with Jobs opinion for the most part. The only things Microsoft has done that shows "culture" is Zune software and Windows Phone. But I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs was not aware of those things when he made that comment. I'm almost sure that that quote from Jobs drove Microsoft to put culture into their stuff.

Guessing you never used an Xbox 360 then? It pretty much revolutionaised console gaming with its online services. Microsoft Office is still the best Office software available, nothing else comes close. Both Windows 7 and 8 have improved massivly on the stabibility, security and speed of Windows (Windows 8 is lightning fast, even after six months of use). Microsoft Azure is that good that Apple choose to use it to power their iCloud services.

Putting culture into stuff as you put it, is not innovation. Granted, Microsoft can take huge steps in the wrong direction. But to say they don't innovate is simply silly.
 

G51989

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You mean how Sony revolutionized gaming through the PS2 and Microsoft copied them poorly?

You said you were only 15? This explains a lot.

The PS2 was not innovative in any way. In fact, most gaming consoles weren't for a solid 20 years. And the ones that were tended to fail pretty quickly. The first one that was " Innovative " was the Atari 2600 which came out in 1977, it had changeable games via a cartridge, detachable controllers, multi player, single player. And it could be easily hooked up to any TV at the time. And it retailed for about 200 bucks.

That is what pretty much every console is built on. That is innovation, better graphics and a DVD payer isn't ;)
 
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