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ECC memory is only good if you have certain apps which utilize it, otherwise its a shear waste.. but given that the Mac Pro uses Xeons and they require ECC memory, I guess its the default which comes with the machine.

Non-ECC would require a non-xeon equivalent, such as a core i990x or something along those lines.

That doesn't sound right.

a) You can put non-ECC memory in a Xeon board - Even the MP line. You just can't mix and match is all. On the other hand you usually can NOT put ECC modules in a non-ECC capable system.

b) Software doesn't care or even know about ECC. That's a hardware (embedded controller) convention. All memory reads are checked for bit errors when ECC modules are used (in an ECC capable system). It's only checked for single bit errors tho. If two bits are in error it gets passed into the system as being good - and will cause corruption.

Bit errors happen more or less frequently depending on where you are on the planet. Most of the errors occur due to cosmic rays which we're constantly being bombarded by. Most of those rays emanate from the center of our galaxy which is a thin pancake shape. And so the nearer the equator one is the more of these cosmic events will occur. Additionally radioactive materials and some forms of background radiation can cause bit-flips (errors) as well. Operating temperatures, physical silicon area, and die density all play a roll in the susceptibility of memory to bit-flips from the above named causes. Probably in the very worst cases a large system may experience as many as one to five such errors per week. In a typical desktop system with high density 16GB modules it's probably more like 1 to 3 detected/corrected bit-flips per year.

The only cons of EEC memory are the price difference and about a 1 to 2% performance hit (if that). You really DO want ECC if you can get it. Using non-ECC memory is like requesting that your system be less than 100% correct. :rolleyes:
 
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Either way the new RAM is Registered, ECC, dual rank, and a single 16GB DIMM. That means I can go to either 48 or 64 depending on whom you believe. It'll likely stay at 32 for a good long while..
 
Well if it has 2 CPUs it'll be 64GB for sure. The argument was weather a single CPU machine does 64 or 48...
 
Well if it has 2 CPUs it'll be 64GB for sure. The argument was weather a single CPU machine does 64 or 48...

everymac says 48..but thats with quad rank memory..when googling mac pro 4,1 64GB of RAM you come upon a thread that says with dual rank memory you can go the full 64..

I dunno at 101 euro per DIMM and scarce at that I'm not going to try..
 
Hey Chris of Germany,

Do you have the Mac Pro yet in your possession? Mine just arrived today. I am unwrapping it now. Mine is like yours: MP 4,1 2009 edition.
 
Hey Chris of Germany,

Do you have the Mac Pro yet in your possession? Mine just arrived today. I am unwrapping it now. Mine is like yours: MP 4,1 2009 edition.

Yes, I'm typing from it now..

Graphics card installed, Hard Drives installed, eSATA card installed, BluRay drive installed..and 10.8.3 Installed

You?
 

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Yes, I'm typing from it now..

Graphics card installed, Hard Drives installed, eSATA card installed, BluRay drive installed..and 10.8.3 Installed

You?

Cool. I can't wait to turn mine on. It's bloody heavy, though.

Looks like you have the 5770 upgrade kit? The official Apple card, I presume? I am looking at that one, but mabye I will try using a new Kepler Nvidia card instead.

I think I got the same deal as you. 700 euros = $900
 
Any bets how long Chris holds out before he pops for a W3680?
Simply irrisitable, at least it was for me. :D

I will most likely but I need to get some more stuff sold first..I'm going to sell my 20" ACD, a 15" MBP screen, and 15" MBP LCD. That should be just about enough to pay for the 3680..
 
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I am now using the new Mac Pro 4,1.

I just cannot get the bluetooth mouse and keyboard to work. They come from my 2008 iMac, but shouldn't they work on any other Mac?
 
The only cons of EEC memory are the price difference and about a 1 to 2% performance hit (if that). You really DO want ECC if you can get it. Using non-ECC memory is like requesting that your system be less than 100% correct. :rolleyes:

Even the price difference is minimal these days at a retail level.
 
Bit errors happen more or less frequently depending on where you are on the planet. Most of the errors occur due to cosmic rays which we're constantly being bombarded by. Most of those rays emanate from the center of our galaxy which is a thin pancake shape. And so the nearer the equator one is the more of these cosmic events will occur. Additionally radioactive materials and some forms of background radiation can cause bit-flips (errors) as well.

Just thought I would chime in and ask: Where did you get this info? Honestly asking because it's news to me, and kinda fascinating...
 
Just thought I would chime in and ask: Where did you get this info? Honestly asking because it's news to me, and kinda fascinating...

Education is cool. :) One of my recent gigs was as a teaching Dean. I was DOS at Kyoto University in the CS department. It was an 8-year stint and I only taught animation, modeling, and compositing on an application level but I was surrounded by hardware and software computer scientists and electrical engineers - so a pretty rich environment. I'm a CS major myself out of UCI & UC Berkley. Tech journals and white papers are my manga. Or were... I'm currently retired for the most part although I keep getting sucked in to jobs - I guess I love it. :) Anyway most of that kind of information are just regurgitations from studies and technical journals I've read over the years. I suppose most of it's accurate. :D Google recently published some findings which stated that approximately 8% of all ECC memory modules correct one bit-error per year. I think they actually said 8% of all memory modules period but I'm assuming ECC because otherwise it would be fairly impossible to know.

Cosmic ray events are well known since the late 1800's and of course we learn more and more about them and related phenomena as we test and accumulate. Google itself says "Cosmic rays attract great interest practically, due to the damage they inflict on microelectronics..." and of course with just a basic understanding of light we can correctly assume a wide range of related and similar spectra (mostly X and Gama) source which affect all sorts of stuff from our own skin to magnetic media such as tape and even biological / electro-chemical computers (which includes our brains). Light energy both particle and wave share a close and historical kinship with the manufacturing and operation of electronics and more especially microelectronics. I guess this is pretty common knowledge with EPROMs having been very popular and the die process in VLSI manufacturing being so widely published. Heck, for me at one time EPROMs were more commonly used than floppy disks although I do digress. :p


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My MP is in another room. I disconnected the internal bluetooth and use a USB bluetooth hanging off my wired Apple keyboard. Perfecto!

Thank you for the reply. I finally got the BT on the Pro to work with the iMac keyboard/mouse. I disabled the BT on the iMac and then 'disconnected' (un-paired?) the devices from the iMac.
That still didn't work, but then it finally did. I just had to keep trying it. The nineteenth attempt was the successful one. Who knows why.

Where did you get the dongle? Do you need a certain brand that's compatable?
 
Search MacRumors... there was a guy a while back looking for one that would allow his Bluetooth devices to wake his MP from sleep mode. I never sleep my Mac, and have a wired keyboard, so am unsure if mine will work on a sleeping Mac. Anyway, my USB Bluetooth dongle is this one, $14 from Amazon:

Kinivo BTD-300 Bluetooth 3.0 USB adapter - For Windows 8 / Windows 7 / Windows XP / Vista, Mac OS 10.3.9 or Later
 
My first 16GB DIMM is in, at 105 euro each and furlough coming it might be a bit before #2 and #3 go in :eek:

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