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AdonisSMU

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Most people that complain about Windows have no idea what they're talking about. Their opinion is based on someone else complaining about Windows and copying what the other person was saying and not on personal first-hand experience.

Let me get this straight, before I continue wasting my and everybody else's time: because you felt that the number of complainypants threads and posts about Windows on this Apple-focused forum was too high you started your own complainypants thread just to show everybody that the grass is in fact not any greener on the other side of the fence?
I work with Windows everyday and everyday I want to quit my job and go back to engineering on a Mac. I just hat it. It crashes alot and the clicks are slow as heck. Nothing s ems to work properly and bugs are not transparent and easy to troubleshoot.
 

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I work with Windows everyday and everyday I want to quit my job and go back to engineering on a Mac. I just hat it. It crashes alot and the clicks are slow as heck. Nothing s ems to work properly and bugs are not transparent and easy to troubleshoot.
Every time I go to Windows ... and then I hop back on my Mac ... it's like a weight is lifted from my shoulders. I literally just use Windows for gaming now. Although as soon as I get a PS5 (lol...), I will probably just ditch Windows entirely. It feels ... claustrophobic ... being on Windows. It's hard to describe. It's stressful.
 

MayaUser

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I work with Windows everyday and everyday I want to quit my job and go back to engineering on a Mac. I just hat it. It crashes alot and the clicks are slow as heck. Nothing s ems to work properly and bugs are not transparent and easy to troubleshoot.
probably that user speaks about himself...just instead of windows is talking about macOS
Even windows 10 still has issues at sub-base level...not talking about windows 11, because maybe its still new, even if at the base of core is still win10
 

Setnof

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I'm still waiting for the next 10.6.8... I wish Apple would focus more on the plain OS, instead of working on so many apps and features.
 

spiderman0616

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I've never owned one device, no matter the manufacturer or platform, that didn't have its fair share of issues. This post sounds to me like "what-about-ism", which is a really weak argument for anything.
 
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Jorbanead

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I've never owned one device, no matter the manufacturer or platform, that didn't have its fair share of issues. This post sounds to me like "what-about-ism", which is a really weak argument for anything.

The basic premise that something worked, and now it doesn’t, is a reasonable concern. But it was pointed out early in this thread that the issue happened after the user updated their machine, and that they should just revert to their previous OS to resolve the issue. Pretty simple fix. Newer OS’s are known to have bugs and issues, and this isn’t specific to Apple.

The issue for me was how OP framed the issue, and the confusing discussion that happened after a solution was suggested. Having a newer OS cause issues equate to “regretting getting a mac” seems a bit dramatic in my opinion. But as someone pointed out, maybe the clickbait title was the only way people would actually respond.
 

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Every time I go to Windows ... and then I hop back on my Mac ... it's like a weight is lifted from my shoulders. I literally just use Windows for gaming now. Although as soon as I get a PS5 (lol...), I will probably just ditch Windows entirely. It feels ... claustrophobic ... being on Windows. It's hard to describe. It's stressful.
I had to go back to Windows for my new job and I can safely say that my decision to switch to Mac years ago has been reinforced.

I don’t know what clowns they have for UX design at Microsoft, but they need to be fired honestly. File Explorer is such a mess that it’s difficult to find any sort option, there seems to be a gaudy button for every function but it’s hidden under menus and tabs of all sorts.

Teams is great for video chatting but I can’t change my status from Offline and it won’t let me access a calendar without outlook.

Despite telling it I don’t want to use Bing or Edge it still gives me pop ups “recommending” I use their services like ****** nagware. Cortana can’t be removed from the taskbar despite me not wanting to use her, ever or even having it set up. I can’t remove the weather display at the bottom corner for some reason.

And people who say Windows has better window management are so full of ****. The resizing and snapping of windows in MacOS is sooo much better, and being able to hold shift to resize proportionally is better. With Magnet it’s hands down the best.

I installed W10 on a vm on my desktop at home and the setup was truly, truly cancerous. I shouldn’t have to opt out of your telemetry ******** manually, uninstall the Microsoft store (which even microsoft knows is useless), uninstall candy crush, remove ****** ads from the start menu, and have you nag me about edge when I’m downloading Firefox.

Using 7 wasn’t this bad, 10 makes me want to pull my ****ing teeth out.
 

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I had to go back to Windows for my new job and I can safely say that my decision to switch to Mac years ago has been reinforced.

I don’t know what clowns they have for UX design at Microsoft, but they need to be fired honestly. File Explorer is such a mess that it’s difficult to find any sort option, there seems to be a gaudy button for every function but it’s hidden under menus and tabs of all sorts.

Teams is great for video chatting but I can’t change my status from Offline and it won’t let me access a calendar without outlook.

Despite telling it I don’t want to use Bing or Edge it still gives me pop ups “recommending” I use their services like ****** nagware. Cortana can’t be removed from the taskbar despite me not wanting to use her, ever or even having it set up. I can’t remove the weather display at the bottom corner for some reason.

And people who say Windows has better window management are so full of ****. The resizing and snapping of windows in MacOS is sooo much better, and being able to hold shift to resize proportionally is better. With Magnet it’s hands down the best.

I installed W10 on a vm on my desktop at home and the setup was truly, truly cancerous. I shouldn’t have to opt out of your telemetry ******** manually, uninstall the Microsoft store (which even microsoft knows is useless), uninstall candy crush, remove ****** ads from the start menu, and have you nag me about edge when I’m downloading Firefox.

Using 7 wasn’t this bad, 10 makes me want to pull my ****ing teeth out.
You can remove both Cortana and Weather from the taskbar. But everything you said is mostly true. If you think Windows 10 is frustrating, they not only rearranged all the settings again in 11, they deliberately turned off features that people used every day that boggles the mind. You can't even drag app icons to the taskbar anymore. You can pin an app to the taskbar while it's open, or you can right-click an icon ... and thanks to a new truncated version of the context menu ... you have to click a context menu item to expand to see MORE context menu options just to find "pin to taskbar". They also changed how default apps are set. Whereas before you could click a button, you now need to manually set each and every file you want a program to open. I have no idea what kind of crack they are smoking, but 11 is a huge step back. This is a stark contrast to macOS where 99% of the settings are in System Preferences in a nice to see and simple interface.
 
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jjcs

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Every time I go to Windows ... and then I hop back on my Mac ... it's like a weight is lifted from my shoulders. I literally just use Windows for gaming now. Although as soon as I get a PS5 (lol...), I will probably just ditch Windows entirely. It feels ... claustrophobic ... being on Windows. It's hard to describe. It's stressful.
Linux is far less "claustrophobic" than MacOS. I wish MacOS was more like Linux in that regard.
 
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ADGrant

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Linux is far less "claustrophobic" than MacOS. I wish MacOS was more like Linux in that regard.
How so, hardware choice? Outside of development tools I find the selection of desktop applications to be lacking on Linux.
 

jjcs

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How so, hardware choice? Outside of development tools I find the selection of desktop applications to be lacking on Linux.
Well, YMMV. The commercial applications that I use, apart from Office, are either also available on Linux or not at all available on Mac OS and never were.

Specifically, I'm speaking to library support. I like Mac OS well enough, but it's starting to lose its luster coming from commercial UNIX. I'm quite comfortable with Linux as I use it at work (Mac OS is a complete nonstarter there).
 

ADGrant

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Well, YMMV. The commercial applications that I use, apart from Office, are either also available on Linux or not at all available on Mac OS and never were.

Specifically, I'm speaking to library support. I like Mac OS well enough, but it's starting to lose its luster coming from commercial UNIX. I'm quite comfortable with Linux as I use it at work (Mac OS is a complete nonstarter there).
Well Office is certainly one of the bigger ones along with the Adobe suite of apps. There are other image and video editing apps available for the Mac that are not available for Linux. Then there are apps like TaxCut and TurboTax and Quicken.

Linux does have a decent set of development tools but even there Windows and Mac have some exclusives such as Visual Studio (though there is a Mac version) and MacOS has Xcode. I use Linux at work too, we use it for our server workloads. However, for remote access when working from home only Windows and MacOS are supported by out IT dept.
 
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jjcs

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Well Office is certainly one of the bigger ones along with the Adobe suite of apps. There are other image and video editing apps available for the Mac that are not available for Linux. Then there are apps like TaxCut and TurboTax and Quicken.

I've never used anything from Adobe apart from Acrobat. Never cared one bit about video and image editing. Not my job or interest.

Linux does have a decent set of development tools but even there Windows and Mac have some exclusives such as Visual Studio (though there is a Mac version) and MacOS has Xcode. I use Linux at work too, we use it for our server workloads. However, for remote access when working from home only Windows and MacOS are supported by out IT dept.

We use Linux workstations and servers for anything serious apart from Office and some CAD apps that require Windows (not available on MacOS). Pretty common in the engineering world. Apple gave up that market a long time ago. Oddly enough - not too long after they initially pursued it with OS X.

MS Code is available on Linux if you really want it.
 

ADGrant

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We use Linux workstations and servers for anything serious apart from Office and some CAD apps that require Windows. Pretty common in the engineering world. Apple gave up that market a long time ago.
Almost everyone is using Linux servers these days. Much more cost effective than Windows particularly for cloud deployment.
 
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jjcs

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Almost everyone is using Linux servers these days. Much more cost effective than Windows particularly for cloud deployment.

I'm sure it is. I prefer Linux workstations for desktop work too. Better software and library support.
 

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I've never used anything from Adobe apart from Acrobat. Never cared one bit about video and image editing. Not my job or interest.



We use Linux workstations and servers for anything serious apart from Office and some CAD apps that require Windows (not available on MacOS). Pretty common in the engineering world. Apple gave up that market a long time ago. Oddly enough - not too long after they initially pursued it with OS X.

MS Code is available on Linux if you really want it.

The last couple of years before my retirement (2016), IBM Global Services (the consulting arm) switched to RedHat Linux and an open office app (don't recall which one) to replace MS Office. This move was made to create "hardened workstations" and to get us off of Windows in any and every flavor. They also offered us the options of MacBook Pro machines with macOS... but unfortunately I retired before the Macs were deployed to my division.
 

Bandaman

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Linux is far less "claustrophobic" than MacOS. I wish MacOS was more like Linux in that regard.
I don't feel claustrophobic on Linux either. Linux is very simple and easy to use. I still prefer the feel of macOS, though.
 

iHorseHead

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I work with Windows everyday and everyday I want to quit my job and go back to engineering on a Mac. I just hat it. It crashes alot and the clicks are slow as heck. Nothing s ems to work properly and bugs are not transparent and easy to troubleshoot.
I work with Windows every day as well and I've never had any problems.
 
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iHorseHead

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Actually, as he stated, he posted a request for help that was ignored and decided a click bait topic might work better to get a response. It is truly sad exactly how correct he was on that. Yeah, it might have been a bit caustic, but it was certainly effective. I didn’t notice the first request or I would have tried to help, but unfortunately click bait posts get promoted much better.

As for the argument DisplayLink is unsupported, they make driver software for Mac OS and it isn’t like a jailbreak is required to install it. This is legitimate software, not some hack he did it home, and yes, it is a bit of a kludge, but the main complaint was that the USB ports weren’t working, it wasn’t even the DisplayLink. But since it was USB-A ports, I guess those weren’t supported either? As a legitimate Mac user using a USB dock that should be universal for at least the USB portion (and with DisplayLink with actual Monterey drivers), this is absolutely nothing like a Hackintosh user complaining.
You are correct. I also received help. This thread has gotten too long and at the so many people replied to me. Whether it was actually helpful and trying to help me or just blaming me and talking how Windows sucks. This goes on as for now and I've decided mostly to ignore this thread as everything works.
The problem was none of the USB Hubs nor my docking stations were working. I posted a question about it once on this forum and got one reply saying that this is a very well known issue in macOS and got a link to this article:
macOS Monterey Users Report Connectivity Issues With USB Hubs - MacRumors

Thank you for your help.
 
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iHorseHead

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Ubuntu, Pop!_OS, and Mint.
Yeah, I saw Linus'es experience with Pop!_OS.
Stop trying to claim it's better than Windows. Be that as it may, if Windows was such a bad OS then most companies and people would not use Windows.
Also, at work I barely see Linux servers. Not even Raspberrie's (from what I've seen) use Linux, but they use Windows.
Windows IoT
Even ATM machines use Windows. Some of them are still on XP.
For example Swedbank and many other ATM machines run Windows.

If you feel 'claustrophobic' on Windows and have difficulties using the most used OS in the world then I have some bad news for you.
I've never had any issues with Windows. Can't say the same for a Mac. I've often had issues with Apple products from Safari to everything else. I remember back when I used Leopard Myspace and other sites didn't load at all and I had to use Chrome.
Go on Reddit and to webdev subreddit and see what people think about Safari. I personally agree. Safari even lacks of basic functions. You can't even create an app of websites while you can on Chrome.

I wonder when Apple is going to copy that feature from others.
 
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