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2IS

macrumors 68030
Jan 9, 2011
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You're asking a question only you can answer. You said you already did your research, and it IS your money. You already know what the MBA has to offer and you're familiar with the price difference as well as the features of both products. So, you tell us. Was it a mistake?

If you ask me, I'd say absolutely it was. I personally will not make use of the additional storage of the MBP but I will certainly make use of the speed of the SSD and the portability of the MBA.
 

Alvesang

macrumors regular
Sep 4, 2010
146
39
Germany
I can certainly understand the need to have others validate our decisions but asking for an informed decision of a public forum is often just an exercise in pissing in the wind.

This thread is really going off topic. Nonetheless: What you're telling us is that essentially every question regarding a planned purchase on these forums is useless? If so, I'd beg to differ. Before purchasing my first Mac I did a lot of research on the web and on these forums in particular and I am to this day very thankful for all the advice especially regarding the SSD option because now using my Macs is pure joy (even more so compared to the hardware I have to endure at work).

Every "What should I get?" thread generates plenty of answers by all different kinds of users, so the OP can filter what applies to her or his needs. You are right that "asking for an informed decision" would be pointless. But asking for informed opinions on which a user might make an informed decision doesn't even come close to urinating in the wrong direction.
 

Hankster

macrumors 68020
Jan 30, 2008
2,475
440
Washington DC
Why are so many people on this board incredibly rude?

I did a ton of research on the macbook air, and this looks like it has very similar specs - same processor, same GPU, same memory. I bought it on the spot because I know that Apple has a very generous return policy within 2 weeks. Sorry that my thread offends you.

He's not being rude, he's being honest. Right after reading your post I thought the same thing. If you're returning laptops to save $300 then you should have really weighed and waited on your options. There's no reason you couldn't have waited until this week to see if there would be a refresh. Seem like you were too impatient.

In regards to which laptop to keep, that's really up to you. Only you know how each model fits your life. If you want the MBA then get it, else use the MBP.
 

Yumunum

macrumors 65816
Apr 24, 2011
1,452
0
U.S.
He's not being rude, he's being honest. Right after reading your post I thought the same thing. If you're returning laptops to save $300 then you should have really weighed and waited on your options. There's no reason you couldn't have waited until this week to see if there would be a refresh. Seem like you were too impatient.

In regards to which laptop to keep, that's really up to you. Only you know how each model fits your life. If you want the MBA then get it, else use the MBP.

We all make mistakes man. We make rash decisions, we have buyer's remorse, we don't think things through. Obviously the OP is in that situation, an he realizes it. Does he really need people just reminding him of his troubles and what he should've done differently, or does he need helpful advice? I think he just needs the advice ;O I'm so tired of negative comments
 

neteng101

macrumors 65816
Jan 7, 2009
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163
I think he just needs the advice ;O I'm so tired of negative comments

You mean we should just lie to the OP then? Sugar coating and making something that was a bad idea sound better than it really is, well, I guess if we all wanted to just heard what we wanted to hear, then it might be good.

I don't know how much good it is to mislead though. Either way, its done now, and its something the OP will have to live with... its not the end of the world, but probably not the best of ideas either.

Sometimes advice means tough love. It sucks, but learn from life's mistakes, and move on.
 

Burton8219

macrumors 6502
May 12, 2007
437
15
I made a thread to ask for advice on whether there are any issues with this model, and you responded that I should do my own research. That is specifically what I thought was rude about your response.

And yes, buying it was an impulse decision (as I outlined in my post), but I think it was a reasonably informed one, and one that I can easily undo if I find that it was a mistake. It looks to me like it will serve my purposes well, but people on this board tend to know a lot more about Apple products than I do and I was hoping that people would be able to tell me if there were any issues with this model vs. an air that I had overlooked or didn't know about.
You realize you saying you made an impulse decision and saying it was informed totally oppose one another correct? Also, in my opinion it sounds like you answer your own question by saying in your original post you've been planning to buy a MBA for months.

You say that the things you don't like about the MBP is the decreased screen res, the weight, slower hdd, the heat and noise of it. That sounds like a lot of negatives. Most times our original choice is the best. It's why they say to never change your original answer on a test.

That being said, in my opinion you should send back the MBP wait unless you desperately need a new machine. The MBA is very, very close to a refresh and I don't agree with many people's prediction that the refresh won't happen until October. I think it will happen this summer. So, hold off if you can wait, and if not, then I personally think you should go for the MBA that you sound like you really want.
 

Panch0

macrumors 6502a
Feb 23, 2010
684
9
Virginia
If you have to settle for a second choice, a 2010 MBP 13" is a pretty great consolation prize.

Here's my perspetive on MBA vs MBP:
about a year and a half ago, I installed an Intel SSD in my 2008 MBP 15". Within an hour, I knew I would never own another laptop with a HDD.

I couldn't have made the trade you did, but hope it works out for you.
 

Antboy29

macrumors newbie
Jun 10, 2011
1
0
I own both a mbp and a mba11" - my overall conclusion I am sorry to say, is that the ultimate weight (significant) and performance advantages (the SSD performance benefits far outweigh the processor benefits except for genuinely processor intensive editing/rendering work) make the mbp feel outdated in comparison to the MBA. I very much appreciate the cost differential you have highlighted, however $800 is also a lot of money, and whatever you spend, you want be delighted with your purchase within reason - I think you are making too much of a compromise in this respect. Presented with the option of both, I cannot remember the last time I picked up the mbp....
 

duggram

macrumors 6502
Apr 17, 2008
391
11
.... At this point I really just need a functional computer, and I'll likely upgrade to an MBA a few years down the road when I'm more settled. I have two weeks to try it out, but are there any particular issues with this model? Am I making a mistake? Let me know what you guys think.

3 weeks ago my maxed out 13" MBA was stolen. I commute each week on commercial airlines. As much as I liked the easy handling Air, I like my new 13"MBP more. I like it even more after putting an SSD in it. But this is my personal opinion based on my needs.

The Air was really nice to use, but the super drive was a pain on the plane. The Air still boots faster than the MBP with SSD, but that's only a few seconds difference. Once going the MBP has a faster processor and potential for more RAM.

Does the MBP feel heavy? Ya compared to the Air, but not compared to my 15" MBP. And I forgot how convenient the lighted keyboard is, especially in bed or on a dark plane.

So the real question for me is, can I handle the extra pound and a half? Of course.

Are you making a mistake by trading for a MBP? I can't say for sure.
 

nefan65

macrumors 65816
Apr 15, 2009
1,354
15
I was in a situation where I needed a laptop for work. I started a new position, and had to decide within a couple of weeks from starting. At that time, the newer MBA's hadn't been released, so it really wasn't an option. I ended up with the smallest/fastest I could get at that time, which was the 13"MBP...

Since having used an 11" and 13" MBA, I too feel the MBP is outdated and bulky. HOWEVER, the MBP is still a good laptop, and suits my needs. But if I had the same option now, as then, I'd actually go for the 11", and hook up an external monitor when at my desk. The small form factor, and weight of the 11" MBA is incredible. It's like being able to take a notebook from meeting - meeting, etc. To be out and about, and just take it out of the sleeve, almost instant on with the SSD, it's a win/win IMHO...
 

mobi

macrumors 6502
Jul 26, 2004
407
15
Penn's Woods
Patrick,

These are both excellent machines. Our 2010 MBP 13" is one of the best well rounded laptops I have ever used. Which attributes our most important to you: size, optical drive, weight, expandability.

If you are thinking MBA, you did the right thing by waiting it out. The refreshed MBA's will be pretty snappy machines based on the newer Sandy Bridge chipset. No regrets, go for with your instinct. Cheers!
 

Patrick946

macrumors regular
Original poster
Jun 21, 2009
163
0
Wow, I had no idea that this topic would be so controversial. Thanks again to everyone who commented.

He's not being rude, he's being honest. Right after reading your post I thought the same thing. If you're returning laptops to save $300 then you should have really weighed and waited on your options. There's no reason you couldn't have waited until this week to see if there would be a refresh. Seem like you were too impatient.

I had originally planned to get an 11" MBA, but slowly came around to paying more for a 13" with upgraded RAM, just because the tradeoffs seemed worth it. It's $300 for more RAM, a faster processor, double the storage space, a bigger screen, more battery life, etc. it was a little more than I had wanted to spend originally, but it seemed like it would be worth it. or, more accurately, it became more and more difficult to justify buying the cheaper MBA when the tradeoffs were so steep.

However, when I compared the 13" MBA to the 2010 13" MBP, the specs that were really important to me looked about the same. I was originally willing to compromise with a smaller screen, but in this case I'd have to compromise with added weight, lower resolution, etc. It's still a compromise, but it seems like one I'd have a much easier time living with. The only thing that could effect performance is the HDD vs. SSD, and to be able to tell if it's something I can deal with, I really need to try it out for myself for a few days. Fortunately, Apple has an extremely generous exchange program, so I can do just that.

You mean we should just lie to the OP then? Sugar coating and making something that was a bad idea sound better than it really is, well, I guess if we all wanted to just heard what we wanted to hear, then it might be good.

I don't know how much good it is to mislead though. Either way, its done now, and its something the OP will have to live with... its not the end of the world, but probably not the best of ideas either.

Sometimes advice means tough love. It sucks, but learn from life's mistakes, and move on.

I want opinions on the difference between models, you can be completely honest about that. :) I don't think it's necessary to criticize me for making an impulse decision or trying to save money. All that you know about my life comes from a few paragraphs that I've written, how could you possibly know enough to tell me that I am doing the right or wrong thing?

You realize you saying you made an impulse decision and saying it was informed totally oppose one another correct? Also, in my opinion it sounds like you answer your own question by saying in your original post you've been planning to buy a MBA for months.

You say that the things you don't like about the MBP is the decreased screen res, the weight, slower hdd, the heat and noise of it. That sounds like a lot of negatives. Most times our original choice is the best. It's why they say to never change your original answer on a test.

That being said, in my opinion you should send back the MBP wait unless you desperately need a new machine. The MBA is very, very close to a refresh and I don't agree with many people's prediction that the refresh won't happen until October. I think it will happen this summer. So, hold off if you can wait, and if not, then I personally think you should go for the MBA that you sound like you really want.

I am informed about the basic components of the machine, and I was able to tell a lot just by comparing the MBA and the MBP, so it was somewhat informed. I had been planning to buy an MBA for months, but I never considered a MBP, and now it seems like it has almost everything that I want for a lower price.

If I find the SSD way too slow for me, I'll probably send it back and wait for the refreshed MBAs. There's no way that I can try out a 2010 MBP in an Apple store, so the only possible way for me to find out how this computer runs is to buy one and try it out. Apple specifically made their policy so that people could try out machines.

Since having used an 11" and 13" MBA, I too feel the MBP is outdated and bulky. HOWEVER, the MBP is still a good laptop, and suits my needs. But if I had the same option now, as then, I'd actually go for the 11", and hook up an external monitor when at my desk. The small form factor, and weight of the 11" MBA is incredible. It's like being able to take a notebook from meeting - meeting, etc. To be out and about, and just take it out of the sleeve, almost instant on with the SSD, it's a win/win IMHO...

The 11" looks really nice, but I don't think I'd be happy with the slow processor (1.4ghz vs. 2.4ghz!) and 64GB of storage. I should be getting it tomorrow though, so I'll put it through the paces. I'm upgrading from a 2006 Macbook, so pretty much any of these machines is going to be a huge upgrade.
 

Patrick946

macrumors regular
Original poster
Jun 21, 2009
163
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Maybe one of these Hybrid Drives would be a good middle of the road solution? It would only cost about $130 for a 500GB drive, and I could use the HDD that comes with the MBP as another External drive (can't hurt to have a second backup at the office).

Something to consider, anyway.
 

gwsat

macrumors 68000
Apr 12, 2008
1,920
0
Tulsa
Patrick -- I apologize for myself and the other Mac Rumors members who have a few social skills. You came here asking whether returning your MBA for a 13 inch MBP had been a mistake. You did not ask for a critique of your decision to buy an MBA and then changing your mind. That decision represents water under the bridge and those who criticized you for it after the fact were being meanspirited and added nothing to what you came here to learn.[/RANT]

It seems to me that unless you are seriously inconvenienced by the weight of the 13 inch MBP you are better with it than you would be an MBA. I love my MBA but its extraordinarily light weight made the substantial price premium I paid for it worthwhile to me. The 13 inch MBP, though, provides the most bang for the buck available in the whole Apple lineup, I think. My grandson has had the same model that you just bought since last summer and has loved it. It has done everything he has asked it to do and has been as stable as a light switch. If I were you, I would keep your MBP for the foreseeable future. It should continue to serve you well for years to come.
 

reputationZed

macrumors 65816
This thread is really going off topic. Nonetheless: What you're telling us is that essentially every question regarding a planned purchase on these forums is useless? If so, I'd beg to differ. Before purchasing my first Mac I did a lot of research on the web and on these forums in particular and I am to this day very thankful for all the advice especially regarding the SSD option because now using my Macs is pure joy (even more so compared to the hardware I have to endure at work).

Every "What should I get?" thread generates plenty of answers by all different kinds of users, so the OP can filter what applies to her or his needs. You are right that "asking for an informed decision" would be pointless. But asking for informed opinions on which a user might make an informed decision doesn't even come close to urinating in the wrong direction.

You're taking what I said out of context, note that I qualified my argument with the phrase "often", and I'll stand by that assertion. You made the point that responses will need to be filtered to separate useful feedback from that which is irrelevant to the OP's use case. The less the OP tells use about their specific use case the less informed the responses can be. Informed opinions require information upon which the opinion can be based, without relevant information there is no context in which an informed opinion can be made, so all your left with is subjective opinion.

"What should I get if I need A, B & C, and I'm concerned about D" can get you a fair amount of valid feedback, "what should I get" (end of conversation) more often than not results in nonsense. As the old saying goes "garbage in, garbage out".
 

islanders

macrumors 6502
Jul 21, 2006
272
0
Charleston, SC
up side

The up side is you have $300 towards your next $800 laptop. Not bad math. You took a chance sending it back and didn't plan on waiting more than a few weeks.

Last night my machine crashed. I was able to repair it by switching out the daughter card and ram that I had. If not I would have been buying one today from the Apple store in town.

For you the price was important between the MBP and MBA.

If I got a MBP for $800 I would use it as is for as long as it did what I needed then sell it and get the next one with good timing.

Why don't you tell us which one you like better?
 

Alvesang

macrumors regular
Sep 4, 2010
146
39
Germany
You're taking what I said out of context, note that I qualified my argument with the phrase "often", and I'll stand by that assertion. You made the point that responses will need to be filtered to separate useful feedback from that which is irrelevant to the OP's use case. The less the OP tells use about their specific use case the less informed the responses can be. Informed opinions require information upon which the opinion can be based, without relevant information there is no context in which an informed opinion can be made, so all your left with is subjective opinion.

A point well made and I concur to a certain degree. However, as less informed as the posted opinions may be, the OP might still be able to... naw, forget it. This is obviously a trial-and-error-mission anyway. So the OP will find out what suits her/his needs by her-/himself.

This thread was useful in regards to other users writing about their satisfactory experiences with the MBA and the MBP. But since there was some time spend on this thread I'd really like to know the outcome.

Sense, nonsense, whatever... I love these forums. :)
 

Beanoir

macrumors 6502a
Dec 9, 2010
571
2
51 degrees North
I share your observations and agree.

The answer is very straightforward. It's the "Apple Way".

Apple has a super narcissistic CEO, who's created a very arrogant Corporate Culture within Apple. They are encouraged to embrace an elitist attitude and to look down at others.

Then in addition, Apple has a huge cult like following of yes men & women ready to attack any post, person, or idea that does not follow their train of thinking. Its just a fact of life.

When this is brought to light, they counter with excuses like "this is the Internet, all forums are like this". Yet those of us who frequent other forums know it's a lie.

Therefore the key is to be ready to be insulted, judged and generally given a hard time, when asking an honest question.

Similarly it's very difficult to establish an intelligent discussion of Apple vs. Another Product, since that too is taken out of context as an affront.

The culture and flow of conversations enjoyed in other forums is generally off limits in an Apple Forum.

This is not unique to MacRumors, it applies to every single Apple forum I visit. It's just how it is. Otherwise pleasant, intelligent people, turn hostile in an Apple Forum, that's been my experience.

This is quite possibly THE most intelligent post I have ever read on this forum.

Like a breath of fresh air!
 

Steve121178

macrumors 603
Apr 13, 2010
6,463
7,171
Bedfordshire, UK
I made a thread to ask for advice on whether there are any issues with this model, and you responded that I should do my own research. That is specifically what I thought was rude about your response.

And yes, buying it was an impulse decision (as I outlined in my post), but I think it was a reasonably informed one, and one that I can easily undo if I find that it was a mistake. It looks to me like it will serve my purposes well, but people on this board tend to know a lot more about Apple products than I do and I was hoping that people would be able to tell me if there were any issues with this model vs. an air that I had overlooked or didn't know about.

He's right though. If you bought something and regretted it/changed your mind, then who's fault is it? Stop overreacting. It's not a big issue.
 

Patrick946

macrumors regular
Original poster
Jun 21, 2009
163
0
ANYWAY,

I got the MBP on Saturday, and have had some time to mess around with it a bit. The HDD is noticeably slower, but I think it's something that I can deal with for the present. It stands out when coming back from sleep, and when moving through cover flow (album art loaded really quickly on the Air). I tend to use the same few programs, so I'm probably not going to waste a lot of time loading stuff. The illuminated keyboard and DVD burner are nice extras as well. I tried out Portal 1, and while I had to mess around with the settings a lot on the MBA to get it to run, it ran really smoothly on the MBP. I guess that extra .54ghz makes a big difference. I'm not buying it primarily to play games, but that's a nice extra.

The weight doesn't bother me at all, and I can live with the lower resolution/more reflective screen. The lack of Solid State memory is the only thing that bothers me, and prices on that should continue to fall. It sounds like the Hybrid drive that I linked to earlier tends to have issues with Macs, so I'll probably hold off until SSDs are cheap enough. This seems like a really solid computer though, and for $900 ($800 if I sell the free printer), it's a steal.
 

Patrick946

macrumors regular
Original poster
Jun 21, 2009
163
0
Also, I think some of you misunderstand what I was asking. I basically typed out my original post to explain why I returned the MBA and got a MBP, but I guess I didn't make it clear enough.

I returned the MBA to wait for either a refresh or a price drop. I was hoping that Apple would either bump up the 11" specs (more memory and space for the intro model), or at least drop the price of the refurb 13". The Air that I bought was a little more than I had originally wanted to spend, and I thought I might be able to save a bit if I waited. When I saw that the MBP has almost identical specs for way less, I went ahead and bought it. there is no way to test it out in stores because it's an old model, and Apple has a free return policy, so there was no reason not to.

I made this thread to ask if there were any differences between the machines that I hadn't considered, or if there were any issues that I hadn't heard about. I did do research on my own (read reviews from several years back when it launched, looked up the specs on everymac), but sometimes there are issues with certain models that don't come to light until later. This is a message board devoted to talking about Macs, so I can't imagine a better place to ask than here. I guess the Macbook Pro board might have been better, but since it involved both models I don't think there was an issue with posting it on this board.

I really liked the MBA, but it's just a bit outside of my price range. I could swing the 11", but it seems like the MBP will serve my needs fine. I'll probably stick with it, unless I notice some other issue in the next two weeks, or if Apple announces some amazing bump to the MBAs in that time.
 

Apple Expert

macrumors 65816
Jan 31, 2010
1,337
0
i too was thinking the MBA. However I opted for the 2011 MBP and put 8gb and a 250 intel 510 ssd for about 1550. I got everything on sale. :) Now the MBA is a good machine that's lighter and higher resolution. Two good features. But with the MBP I get a backlight keyboard and optical drive. Not very useful to me, but nice to have. That and the fact the MBP wins in speed. Another advantage is when I sell my MBP I can remove the SSD and install in the new computer. Can't do that with the MBA. Here is a video of the two that someone posted. I'm sure the competitiveness will be better with the next MBA refresh, but the MBA processor will not beat the MBP processor!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp720fEnuRs
 
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