Most of the issues experianced at upgrade time have gone away with the newer motherboards that use EFI bios. In many cases with an EFI based board you don't need any custom kexts, just a boot loader and a couple of config files.
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I wish I could buy a PC... with OS X
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Most of the issues experianced at upgrade time have gone away with the newer motherboards that use EFI bios. In many cases with an EFI based board you don't need any custom kexts, just a boot loader and a couple of config files.
LIke others have said, just build a Hackintosh based on properly selected hardware (plenty to choose from) follow a well-written setup guide, and understand the differences between it and a real Mac when it comes to things like System Updates.
Ever since Snow Leopard, at most with a system update I've had to roll back an HDaudio kext or SleepEnabler or something, but no major headaches, and yes, the newer UEFI methods just make things even easier.
Is it a headache? I'll put it this way: my Hacks that I've used as my main systems now since 2008 sure as hell beat the snot out of complaining about Apple not making the desktop system I want.
Ever since Snow Leopard, at most with a system update I've had to roll back an HDaudio kext or SleepEnabler or something, but no major headaches, and yes, the newer UEFI methods just make things even easier.
Is it a headache? I'll put it this way: my Hacks that I've used as my main systems now since 2008 sure as hell beat the snot out of complaining about Apple not making the desktop system I want.
If I didn't like OSX so much. that Z820 is pretty slickGet HP Workstation with Linux and use OS X skin?
i think this is getting ridiclous hahahah, this is really a childish issue.
We aren't even sure yet that apple won't do any more adjustments to it. It was a prototype, they very well still can do some radical changes, unlikely but possible.
We aren't even sure yet that apple won't do any more adjustments to it. It was a prototype, they very well still can do some radical changes, unlikely but possible.
Apple advise or help?
Apple doesn't care about hearing from people that want different then Apple decides to build.
Considering Steve Jobs always used to say wasn't trying to please everyone, but was building for certain audiences only, then not really surprising that if you want something different Apple aren't interested.
Either what Apple makes suits you or it doesn't. It is not as if there aren't alternatives out there.
It mostly comes down to which applications you are presently using on your mac. If they also exist on windows then the major difference would be for you to learn to use Ctrl/Alt instead of Option/Command on the keyboard.
This is especially true if you are using the Adobe suite.
This is especially true if you are using the Adobe suite.
Regarding the Hackintosh way: keep in mind that there are signs that Apple might actively lock down OS 10.9 (in the future), in order to actually prevent hacking - or at least to make it way harder than before.
I am exactly in the same situation as the OP, and while I think the hackintosh route is the only way left that makes sense in my case, this makes me really worry and actually prevents me from doing that right now ... On the other hand, I just shudder at the mere thought of being forced to go the windows route
I am exactly in the same situation as the OP, and while I think the hackintosh route is the only way left that makes sense in my case, this makes me really worry and actually prevents me from doing that right now ... On the other hand, I just shudder at the mere thought of being forced to go the windows route
Those same threats and "signs" have been in place for every new release of OS X. And yet, somehow, the community figures it out.
I seriously doubt anything will change with regards to that.
Regarding the Hackintosh way: keep in mind that there are signs that Apple might actively lock down OS 10.9 (in the future), in order to actually prevent hacking - or at least to make it way harder than before.
I am exactly in the same situation as the OP, and while I think the hackintosh route is the only way left that makes sense in my case, this makes me really worry and actually prevents me from doing that right now ... On the other hand, I just shudder at the mere thought of being forced to go the windows route
Certainly this is a possibility, and they have made some minor efforts to do this before. UEFI makes this difficult for them as the community can emulate their EFI implementation fairly easily. In my opinion, unless they complete change their EFI implementation to something so non standard that it cant be emulated realistically, then we will most likely have hackintosh computers.
In some ways i believe apple benefits from hackintosh. I would have never bought a real mac if it weren't for hackintosh. They also broaden the App Store and iTunes Store to a market of people who otherwise wouldn't be interested. It wouldn't surprise me if we see professional users go for hackintosh, apple no longer has to cater to a niche market of a few select individuals.
Some may argue that they loose money on hardware sales because of hackintosh but i am not certain about this. hackintosh laptops are near non existent which is Apples major computer market. hackintosh AIO's also pretty much don't exist either. It seems like the only people making near perfect hardware is gigabyte.
This time, there is concrete evidence, not just "signs". They are actually _targeting_ hackintoshes (or to be more precisely: the kexts that are used for doing this) in the OS X code for the first time EVER. And I do not believe that they actually want to make it easier to install OS X on non-supported hardware. Really not. But I do not know if such a blocking really happens when 10.9 comes out, but imho this is not something to ignore if you want to go the hack-route. Again: there is concrete evidence that something significant _may_ change in respect to some sort of kernel signing. My advise would be to at least wait for the first release of OS X 10.9.
Of course, just my 2c.
Your wish.....
maybe can never get granted. But you can built a custom PC and install OS X (Hackintosh way)....
maybe can never get granted. But you can built a custom PC and install OS X (Hackintosh way)....
Well, I hope you are right, and Apple just does not care. But why would apple include LOTS of typical "hackintosh kexts" filenames in a plist which is connected to kernel signing? For what? So, what would make more sense: in order to further lock down the OS, or to make hacking easier? And the point is not IF you can make a hack, but what effort (and knowledge) it takes to do so.
Confused.
A different mac model lacks power (but aside from that is ok.) however the new MacPro lacks many things you need?
Please elaborate as to the features other mac models have that the mac pro lacks and what feature (aside from that comparison) you need that the new mac pro lacks.
Internal storage, pcie slots, nvidia gpu... Those are lacking on the new mac pro.
Please elaborate how those are a 'need' instead of a want.
For what do you specifically 'need' internal storage array?
For what do you specifically 'need' a PCIe slot?
For what do you specifically 'need' a nVidia GPU?
There is a difference between a 'need' and a 'want' and most of the detractors who say that the new Mac Pro doesn't fit their 'needs' are confusing the two.
1) to hold my 4 internal HDD. Without internal bay I'll have to make do with either a $600 external TB case or a slower USB3 box to hold them.
2) For interface card that I already own and who works quite well, which I would have to replace by TB devices IF such a beast exist in the first place.
3) CUDA enabled software.
You're the one being confuse... Too much sugary koolaid maybe?
You need air every minute or so, water every day or day, and food every few days. So yes, congratulations, I don't need a PCIe slot.
But that's a philosophical argument with no end. You don't need a desktop computer at all. Go make a living as a painter or a tour guide or whatever.
The fact is that I've been in and out of my Mac Pro's case a hundred times with various drive changes, to add USB 3.0, and to plop in a cheap PC GPU that runs circles around the official offerings. And all of that will go away, to be replaced by this:
You're right, I don't NEED to have a plethora of choices that are inexpensive, fast, tidy, and work well.
I personally don't believe that hackintosh is on Apples immediate radar. At this moment in time it doesn't affect their primary markets. Apple is known to have plans made for every scenario, i wouldn't surprise me if they have a hackintosh kext disabler for a just in case scenario. For example if samsung release an identical spec'd laptop PC that ran OS X flawlessly in every way and it also began taking a big chunk of apples market away.
I don't think there is a lot of possibility for this because it takes a higher degree of knowledge than the general public to install OS X. At the moment it's a niche, but if it becomes so easy that anyone can do it then it may become a problem for Apple.
If apple gains market share by going "prosumer" and the pro users migrate to hackintosh then they really haven't lost anything, they may have even gained if those users continue to use the app store.
What i would like to see is to release OS X in a more expensive form for pro use only. It would only work on certified motherboards that had a special EFI firmware. Building a machine based on those components would probably cost more than any current mac offering in order to secure their current market. Only pro's would go that route.
Ive recently built a hackintosh. You do have to be computer literate, having said that, most users here are. The majority of the population arent or cannot be bothered to learn about hacks.
I built my hack because im fed up with Apple forcing my hand everytime. Its ABSURD that in this day and age, if you were to buy a iMac you have to decide on the capacity or SSD or HDD at purchase and forever hold your peace.
I also DO NOT like the idea that my computer is more likely to become outdated (iMac, Mac mini etc) not because it wasnt powerful enough, but because the GPU fell behind and couldnt play new games. CPU's are plenty powerful these days but GPU's are the weakness of Apple computers.
Now, Im certainly hoping Apple does not break the hacks, I like to think they do benefit from it. I dont think Apple actively supports it, they just do whatever they want and if the hackintosh community finds a way to make it work, good on them.
I think the hackintosh community is similar to the jailbreak community on iOS. Same market share in proportion, not overly large to really worry about it. Most hackintosh owners buy apple gear to replicate the apple experience but without having things shoved down their throat that they dont like.
Finally, if Apple does clamp down on the community Im hoping, and putting in good faith that the smart people can figure ways around whatever locking mechanisms would come into play.
I built my hack because im fed up with Apple forcing my hand everytime. Its ABSURD that in this day and age, if you were to buy a iMac you have to decide on the capacity or SSD or HDD at purchase and forever hold your peace.
I also DO NOT like the idea that my computer is more likely to become outdated (iMac, Mac mini etc) not because it wasnt powerful enough, but because the GPU fell behind and couldnt play new games. CPU's are plenty powerful these days but GPU's are the weakness of Apple computers.
Now, Im certainly hoping Apple does not break the hacks, I like to think they do benefit from it. I dont think Apple actively supports it, they just do whatever they want and if the hackintosh community finds a way to make it work, good on them.
I think the hackintosh community is similar to the jailbreak community on iOS. Same market share in proportion, not overly large to really worry about it. Most hackintosh owners buy apple gear to replicate the apple experience but without having things shoved down their throat that they dont like.
Finally, if Apple does clamp down on the community Im hoping, and putting in good faith that the smart people can figure ways around whatever locking mechanisms would come into play.
Unless I'm mistaken, platter-based harddrives can't saturate transfer speeds over USB 2... at least not a single drive by itself. They're all bottle-necked by RPM. So saying "slower USB 3" is a bit of a misunderstanding, and even then, platter-based drives definitely won't saturate USB 3. This would be a whole different thing if your Mac Pro was full of SSDs... in which case, woah, I wish I had your computer.
That's the thing I'm worried about, having to rely on really expensive PCI-e adapters just to keep using the PCI-e cards I could already plug into my tower Mac Pro. I do not think a Thunderbolt-to-ExpressCard-to-PCIe solution is a valid professional solution, because of Expresscard's 5 Gbps limiation.
We don't know if NVIDIA graphics cards will be an option... but after the tragic stories I've heard from my friends about their ATI cards, I sure hope NVIDIA will be an option.
"To install Apple's Mac OS X you agree to only use it on hardware built by Apple and so it is illegal to use it on other platforms."
So there is no "official" support in a VM for running OS X on a Windows host.
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The problem with Hackintosh's for a professional user is they aren't reliable, they cannot have OS updates without researching and doing work arounds and often not at all, and if you do click on update you're still not sure what you're going to be left with. So if you want to have a limited imitation of an Apple product, that's one choice. I have to think that if the OP actually relies on his/her computer for everyday work, there is no way they ever consider a Hackintosh. They might be fun to play with or use as a regular machine but are not something to be counted on for professional work.
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I also don't see what all the complaining is about the new Mac Pro. It has a zillion Thunderbolt ports built in. Yes, Thunderbolt external products are expensive, but you are talking about spending $3,000 for the machine to start with, it's not like it's a budget machine you're pinching pennies to get. Thunderbolt can also do everything the current Mac Pro's can do and more. The new Mac Pro with no open slots is MORE expandable because of Thunderbolt than the current Mac Pro with open slots. The argument that the new Mac Pro is a let down is ridiculous.
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Every single one of those can be solved by using Thunderbolt.
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http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/06/06/silverstone-external-graphics-card-case-deb/
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Actually, that will be replaced by this:
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