the design has been out for almost 2 months, nothing different except the cameras and the software
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iPhone X If Apple doesn’t release a newly designed iPhone do you think sales will fall further?
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Honestly, I think most users just care that they can afford the device (or at least the monthly payments), it's not slow, the battery lasts them for the day, and it works pretty much like their old one did so they don't have to relearn stuff.
Inertia's a big thing. Unless Apple does something drastic to drive away majority of their customer base (e.g. $5K iPhones, with entry level starting at $1-2K), it's pretty easy for them to keep existing users. Getting them to upgrade? That's more difficult considering smartphone performance has been good enough for most since A9/2GB.
Smartphones are at the stage PCs were a few years ago. Performance is good enough that there's not much reason to upgrade. Difference is smartphones are battery-powered and mobile, ergo they're at greater risk for accidental damage, theft/loss and battery degradation.
Touché, but I don't really care much about how their business is doing (as long as it isn't on the brink of closing), I just care about getting the best phone at the best price. $849 for a fantastic 512GB S10 did it for me. That's $500 cheaper than the iPhone. Yikes.
Yes, so the loyalty was earned. I'm not bashing Apple too much, just pointing out they they haven't been aggressively pushing the envelope in terms of exterior design. Internally they make some of the best SoC's hands down. Samsung on the other hand definitely has been aggressive in design, sometimes too much (Note 7 and Fold...)
True. Fingerprint is far more convenient for me so it's a matter of priorities on a per-person basis.
Probably not. But a 512GB XS Max costs $600 more than my unlocked and brand new 512GB S10 I bought on Amazon this weekend. 512GB XS is $500 more. Even at full MSRP the 512GB S10+ is $200 cheaper than the Max, and $500 cheaper on sale right now, so it's not even in the same league when it comes to price. Galaxy has expandable storage, so if you get the 128GB you're looking at $650 cost difference on sale right now minus the cost of an SD card, which will get you past the iPhone's 512GB...
True, which is why I decided not to wait to buy it. I probably would have if it had the headphone jack. I just wanted the best possible phone with a headphone jack, as I use it very often and charge the phone while using it, etc.
USB-C is taking over. Curved edge screen is indeed subjective but I happen to like it a lot and prefer it over flat.
The supersize Plus and Max are essentially the same design profile, which I wrote in my original post. Sure it's a different design technically, but it represents the same generation of design. Hence only 2. I guess the XR counts, and the 5c (Lol) but I'm not counting any of Samsung's other phones either, just the flagship Galaxy vs the flagship iPhone.
Apple sure seemed to (mostly) trash it's value of the Mac for a few years while prioritizing the watch and iPhone profit machines. Apple had the resources to save the Mac, but they let it flounder. Now they're finally taking it seriously again, which I appreciate very much.
You over paid.
This was only 30days after launch, prices have fallen further 3 months after launch.
If business isn’t doing well and Samsung isn’t selling phones then that’s very bad since Samsung mobile uses their own components from Samsung semiconductor and Samsung display. So when a galaxy phone doesn’t sell it hits all three very hard.
Because of the poor sales, your s10 has lost a huge chunk of value in the short term, it’s rather an incredible depreciation.
It’s actually much more cheaper today then when you got your deal. You really overpaid.
And because sales of the iPhone XR and and Xs Max are still going strong 10 months since it launched, The more expensive iPhone will hold value longer so it is of better value even though it is initially more expensive.
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Apple increases prices - little effect on sales not much on profit.
Samsung increases prices- huge fall in premium galaxy sales and profit falls 60%.
You over paid.
This was only 30days after launch, prices have fallen further 3 months after launch.
If business isn’t doing well and Samsung isn’t selling phones then that’s very bad since Samsung mobile uses their own components from Samsung semiconductor and Samsung display. So when a galaxy phone doesn’t sell it hits all three very hard.
Because of the poor sales, your s10 has lost a huge chunk of value in the short term, it’s rather an incredible depreciation.
It’s actually much more cheaper today then when you got your deal. You really overpaid.
And because sales of the iPhone XR and and Xs Max are still going strong 10 months since it launched, The more expensive iPhone will hold value longer so it is of better value even though it is initially more expensive.
TLDR:
Apple increases prices - little effect on sales not much on profit.
Samsung increases prices- huge fall in premium galaxy sales and profit falls 60%.
Lol you're using trade-in values as benchmark for how much the phone actually sells for on the retail market? I hope you don't regularly trade in your cars, or phones for that matter, because they're ripping you off. I didn't overpay– trade-ins get ripped off by companies. I thought this was common knowledge? Of course the Galaxy depreciates faster than the iPhone. But where can I buy a brand new, factory unlocked 512GB Galaxy S10 for $620? I'll wait. I got a good deal for the phone, not sure why that upsets you.
Samsung has not been consistent in pushing the design envelope. The s8, s9 and s10 all look the same, to me.
Yes, clearly a subjective thing.
My max is good for 5 years of updates, world class support etc. that makes the price with it and when I sell it probably will retain some value. My iCloud account has oodles of space available across all my Idevices. Of course this is all subjective as to our likes and dislikes.
As I said above the Galaxy 8/9/10 are generic slabs with some variation on the bezels. Nothing screams generic more than those phones, so I count them as one and you found Apple as 2. Fair enough.
You made a specific comment and I responded and other than “I feel” this is the case there is no hard proof.
The Mac Pro not getting updated for almost 6 years should tell you something (hint: profits instead of customer loyalty were driving their focus for a few years)
As an iPhone user I do feel Samsung were a lot mor e aggressive with aesthetics compared to Apple. Let’s no forget we had the iPhone 6, 6S, 7 and 8 series which were lovely looking phones but there was very little difference aesthetically. Slightly different camera lenses and moving the antenna lines around was about as different as it got lol. The iPhone is just solid though and the OS is what attracts people. The product design is safe and often much of the same but the whole experience of the iPhone is what keeps us with them.
Yup, I would say seems right on the money but the trade in price is actually higher than you would get right now. Don’t know why anyone would consider that a rippoff. Your knowledge may be common but it’s not very accurate.
That’s about $400 vs 500 on the trade in sight you called a rip-off.
Samsung Galaxy S10 depreciated by 50% in 30 days
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s10-depreciated-by-50-in-30-days/
It is pretty accurate. So paying $849 for a s10 512 is over paying if you can get the same phone for less money.
Regardless enjoy your device.
The galaxy actually depreciates faster than any other phone android or iPhone.
This is about $490 and it comes with free galaxy buds.
Here is one for about $680, it’s a dual sim version.
If you think $840 for an s10 is a good deal then Once again enjoy your phone.
Doesn’t upset me just found it hilarious that you expected the iPhone sales to tank as bad the s10 just so you can get a perceived deal, not even a very good one.
This is the post I found to be quite humorous you were essentially complimenting Samsung on tanking their phone business (60% drop in profits last quarter more to come next week) and calling apple complacent for being successful with the iPhone.
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Ok, I'll bite. Sure, I can find some potentially sketchy ebay listings for the phone cheaper than $849, or buy some returned / refurbished units for a similar bargain price. And all of this makes the $1349 iPhone a better deal... how?
Also, I don't recall ever saying that I expected the iPhone sales to tank as bad as the S10 so that I can get a perceived deal.
Even if there is a design change any sales bump would be minimal imho. The end of yearly updates has come!
They aren’t sketchy and it’s not just ebay. It’s everywhere and it’s about a 25% difference from the deal you perceived to be “good”.
when phones don’t sell prices fall. S10 has taken a huge hit due to lack of demand. And in about 2 weeks when the note launches it will push prices down further.
iPhones hold value longer. You pay more upfront and the value does not depreciate at Samsung’s current rate.
You first called apple complacent for succeeding in selling expensive phones and admired Samsung for this years flop. Your “best phoned for the best price” is due to the flop.
Yes 500 cheaper because Samsung premium galaxy sales crumbled this year, just like last year.
The only way apple could sell a flagship iPhone for 40%- 50% off three months after launch is if sales collapsed. Yikes.
That’s not something companies should strive for.
TLDR
You can get a s10 much cheaper then what you paid for yours today, about 25% cheaper.
Or in two weeks when the note 10 launches and all the Samsung fanboys sell their s10s at the same time to get a note 10; that will drive down the value of the s10 even further. And you might get an incredible deal from and impatient fanboy that doesn’t know any better.
Good luck.
The internet is a lovely place isn’t it? People getting a kick out of trying to make others feel bad about their buying choices. It makes for miserable reading and a certain level of pity.
I don't disagree. But as @Zwhaler was saying, and I disagreed, 3 years of Samsung Galaxy are basically the same phone aesthetics wise. So while we're here at an anonymous internet forum, in an attempt to prove a point, counting variations on design, I count the last 3 years of the Galaxy at one, while he counts the iphone since the 6s at two. However, the plus models are different enough so I count them as four. Follow all of this nonsense?
I don't disagree. But as @Zwhaler was saying, and I disagreed, 3 years of Samsung Galaxy are basically the same phone aesthetics wise. So while we're here at an anonymous internet forum, in an attempt to prove a point, counting variations on design, I count the last 3 years of the Galaxy at one, while he counts the iphone since the 6s at two. However, the plus models are different enough so I count them as four. Follow all of this nonsense?
I’d say the S8 and S9 looked very similar but were quite a bit different to the S7 before them aesthetically. The S7 has quite large bezels and the camera on the back was different. The S10 doesn’t look like the S9 but does have some trademark Galaxy features. I thought the S10+ was perhaps the nicest looking smartphone of last year purely in aesthetics but unfortunately it doesn’t run iOS which is the unique selling point of the iPhone.
I wouldn’t say the Plus model iPhones are very different to the standard versions. My 8+ is identical to my wife’s 8 apart from the camera shape and the size (obviously) lol. They feel like the same phone IMO.
A maturing market certainly doesn’t justify throwing more different design ideas at it.
The Mac Pro in comparison to an iPhone being updated is not mutually exclusive at all. Two segments of different products, one of which cost exponentially more over a communication device.
Easy to see past this. Look at the buyers guide for Mac https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac
Notice, around 2015 every Mac on there has massive delays in updates except the discontinued MacBook. It's because of the reason I gave. They stopped caring about the Mac for awhile... fact! Also, The Mac Pro received updates in '06, '07, '08, '09, '10, '12, and '13. It's about priorities, and the fact is they mostly stopped caring about the Mac for a few years in the middle of this decade.
Ok. I spent 15 minutes searching for these phones, mostly on ebay, and I found a few open box customer returns for under $750, and one international Exynos version brand new S10 512GB in black (not my color) for $799. Cool. They have GSM only or CDMA only unlocked ones for $749.99. Also cool, but I couldn't find a dual band unlocked 512GB U.S. version brand new for under what I paid.
I totally agree about supply and demand. that's why I bought the phone... perhaps you think the price dropping due to poor sales is a bad thing for you as a customer. I think it's a good thing, because it means I got a better deal than if it stayed full price like the iPhone. I don't buy a phone for how well it holds value over time, I buy a phone because I think it is the best phone for my use case. There are many reasons (primarily software limitations) why I don't want to buy an iPhone, so I'm glad that all else being equal my phone is cheaper.
They do. I just sold a 64GB iPhone X yesterday for over $600. I'm happy people are willing to pay that, and I'm glad the phone doesn't depreciate like Samsung! But that doesn't have anything to do with what I consider to be the right phone for me, which exclusively what dictates what I buy. When I buy is determined by market factors, which in the case of Samsung, work in my favor months after release. Win-win for me.
Perhaps this is where there's a bit of miscommunication. I called Apple complacent because they get to hold back compelling design features (pro motion display for example which could have been ready in 2018) precisely because they're so successful. They get away with updating the phones little by little (their SoC work is phenomenal by the way and I am not downplaying that whatsoever) whereas Samsung has to throw as much into the design as they can (S9 approach was a failure and they're still paying for it with the S10 despite how much I like it). This translates to consumers like me rolling their eyes at Apple's iPhone updates year after year because their complacency with profits compels them to hold back features longer. Unless there's something the rumors totally missed, expect this year to be more of the same. I don't care about how many they sell, I just care about what phone I'm getting at what price and that it isn't a lemon. $500 more for a comparable iPhone is a different ballgame. So basically Apple's managed to put the iPhone in a different league than Samsung through the price. The build cost of the phone is what it is, and the rest is profit for Apple at the customer's expense. I'm happy that it's working for them. I wouldn't have chosen the iPhone at $849 (other than to sell) because it's not the right phone or OS for me. So I bought elsewhere, and have no regrets about anything.
100% agree. I'm not happy that Samsung tried to bandwagon on the $1,000+ flagship train. Now they're being punished for it... good! I don't want the phone to cost $1,149. If Apple sold the XS for $949 ($100 more than I paid for my S10), doesn't that sound more reasonable compared to $1349? The difference is, I can actually get my phone for those prices and iPhone users can't. So the market correction makes me happy, and that's why I bought one. I'm not a defender of Samsung's business practices, I just want a good phone at a reasonable price.
Again, I'm not really buying that brand-new factory unlocked dual band U.S. 512GB S10s with free one-day shipping are "everywhere" and that they're $636. The pink one was $692 a few days ago, but not white or black. Even if you show me one for 10% off, I'll tell you straight up that I don't care about the $85. It was kind of an impulse purchase and I'm still 100% happy with it. I had to switch carriers this weekend and needed a dual-band unlocked phone, so I couldn't wait.TLDR
You can get a s10 much cheaper then what you paid for yours today, about 25% cheaper.
Or in two weeks when the note 10 launches and all the Samsung fanboys sell their s10s at the same time to get a note 10; that will drive down the value of the s10 even further. And you might get an incredible deal from and impatient fanboy that doesn’t know any better.
Good luck.
This has been a good typing exercise and I hope nobody reading these messages thinks any of it is personal.. just using these forums for what they're made to do, arguing with people over the internet for good fun (at least for me).
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Yeah that has nothing to do with intels botched road map. /s
Have they released ice lake yet?