If Apple made a gaming laptop

[maflynn]

Apple has a gaming laptop. It's called the MacBook Pro.

I think you're in the minority on that thought. It runs too hot w/o playing serious games, the GPU is underpowered for serious gaming. Its just designed/setup to be gaming. Plus OSX is not as suited to gaming AFAIK as windows with directx. I'm assuming on this point as I'm not into gaming so don't flame me if I'm completely off base

 

[oiuh151]

I think you're in the minority on that thought. It runs too hot w/o playing serious games, the GPU is underpowered for serious gaming. Its just designed/setup to be gaming. Plus OSX is not as suited to gaming AFAIK as windows with directx. I'm assuming on this point as I'm not into gaming so don't flame me if I'm completely off base

The 6750M is far from being underpowered and it doesn't get too hot at all.

 

[*LTD*]

Razer fans and those overly-impressed with this machine might point out that we're ignoring the unique UI (which is impressive), the trending (and certainly laudable) pursuit of thinness in design and the light (relatively) weight of the machine.

However, are these the things that a "real" gamer would sacrifice for the basics (which are rather lacking for the price)?

All one really needs to do is check out the comments on Neowin. This place is a haven for gamers and Windows-sufferers, so when it comes to the hardcore spec-happy folks who spew over the latest shooter, you can trust their judgement in this area.

The reception has been rather lukewarm.

http://www.neowin.net/news/razer-reveals-blade-pc-gaming-laptop

Frankly, this Razer product, minus some of the decorative features, looks like an Apple product that is aimed at the wrong crowd.

 

[acurafan]

Apple has a gaming laptop. It's called the MacBook Pro.

haha! thanks for the laugh.

 

[AppleScruff1]

I doubt that a serious gamer would buy a 17" MBP.

 

[poopmonster666]

If Apple made a gaming laptop, they'd still try to say it was "revolutionary."

 

[Sankersizzle]

Apple has a gaming laptop. It's called the MacBook Pro.

 

[oiuh151]

I don't exactly see why people are making fun of someone calling the MBP a gaming computer(at least the models with the 6750M) when this laptop that's in the main post has a worse processor and a barely better GPU yet that's somehow considered a 'gaming laptop'.

 

[Huntn]

Apple has a gaming laptop. It's called the MacBook Pro.

I agree. I play games all the time on it. Currently SWTOR. Not only that, Apple made a gaming tablet and phones...

 

[boss.king]

I don't exactly see why people are making fun of someone calling the MBP a gaming computer(at least the models with the 6750M) when this laptop that's in the main post has a worse processor and a barely better GPU yet that's somehow considered a 'gaming laptop'.

Just because it can play games doesn't mean it's a gaming computer. You can a drive a Mercedes offroad but that doesn't make it a 4x4.

 

[oiuh151]

Just because it can play games doesn't mean it's a gaming computer. You can a drive a Mercedes offroad but that doesn't make it a 4x4.

... so what exactly makes this Razer a 'gaming' laptop in the main post that the MacBook Pro doesn't have/can't do?

Your example is useless without any reference to the actual computers we're talking about.

 

[Liquorpuki]

... so what exactly makes this Razer a 'gaming' laptop in the main post that the MacBook Pro doesn't have/can't do?

Your example is useless without any reference to the actual computers we're talking about.

For one, Razer incorporated their Switchblade tech into the notebook. No way would I be bringing that thing to a meeting

Second, you have to bootcamp half the games out there on a MBP because most devs won't ever put out a Mac client

I agree. I play games all the time on it. Currently SWTOR.

Have you run into any issues? The devs seem to be making an effort to point out Boot Camp is not officially supported. Made me wonder

 

[oiuh151]

For one, Razer incorporated their Switchblade tech into the notebook. No way would I be bringing that thing to a meeting

Well if that's what makes it a gaming laptop then I guess Razer is the only company that makes 'gaming' laptops.

Second, you have to bootcamp half the games out there on a MBP because most devs won't ever put out a Mac client

Who cares? The ability is there, you can play any game you want.

 

[boss.king]

... so what exactly makes this Razer a 'gaming' laptop in the main post that the MacBook Pro doesn't have/can't do?

Your example is useless without any reference to the actual computers we're talking about.

I never said anything about the Razer. I simply said the MBP is no a gaming computer. No laptop should really be considered for any serious gaming, there's no replacement for a custom built gaming rig in terms of price, power, and performance.

That said, the Razer is better for gaming as it does not use shoddy bootcamp drivers, other than that they would probably perform exactly the same (the CPU is not the bottleneck in modern gaming, it's the GPU).

 

[oiuh151]

I never said anything about the Razer. I simply said the MBP is no a gaming computer. No laptop should really be considered for any serious gaming, there's no replacement for a custom built gaming rig in terms of price, power, and performance.

So then you should've never responded to me, you should've responded to the original poster and claim that there is no such thing as a gaming laptop.

That said, the Razer is better for gaming as it does not use shoddy bootcamp drivers, other than that they would probably perform exactly the same (the CPU is not the bottleneck in modern gaming, it's the GPU).

Shoddy bootcamp drivers? You mean the GPU drivers? You are fully aware that you can install drivers directly from AMD and NVIDIA, right?

And there are certain games where having a beefier CPU is beneficial.

 

[boss.king]

So then you should've never responded to me, you should've responded to the original poster and claim that there is no such thing as a gaming laptop.

Last I checked my response was perfectly valid, you spoke about the MBP as a good gamin solution and I disagreed.

Shoddy bootcamp drivers? You mean the GPU drivers? You are fully aware that you can install drivers directly from AMD and NVIDIA, right?

I am aware, that's why I didn't say GPU drivers. To be fair this issue may have been resolved, I haven't looked into it recently but from what I remember from a while ago bootcamp performance was poor at best.

And there are certain games where having a beefier CPU is beneficial.

They are extremely rare, and they difference between one i7 and another clocked slightly lower would be negligible. For most games the GPU is the real issue.

 

[oiuh151]

Last I checked my response was perfectly valid, you spoke about the MBP as a good gamin solution and I disagreed.

Last I checked you completely avoided my point. If the MacBook Pro isn't a good gaming solution then neither is this Razer therefore I shouldn't have been the only one you were responding to.

I am aware, that's why I didn't say GPU drivers. To be fair this issue may have been resolved, I haven't looked into it recently but from what I remember from a while ago bootcamp performance was poor at best.

Performance under BootCamp is as good as it can get.

They are extremely rare, and they difference between one i7 and another clocked slightly lower would be negligible. For most games the GPU is the real issue.

Not at all. Saying "i7" isn't saying much. A quad-core i7 is completely different beast than a dual-core i7. That dual-core hyper-threads to 4 cores while the quad hyper-threads to 8.

You are comparing a dual-core machine to a quad-core machine.

 

[Liquorpuki]

Well if that's what makes it a gaming laptop then I guess Razer is the only company that makes 'gaming' laptops.

You asked what's different between the two and I told you

Who cares? The ability is there, you can play any game you want.

I know. Everyone should have to put down a couple hundred dollars for a second OS they're barely gonna use. And who needs official dev support. All those SWTOR beta testers begging for a mac client must be idiots

And there are certain games where having a beefier CPU is beneficial.

Yeah, if you want to call running Matlab algorithms a game

 

[MorphingDragon]

It might look a little like this :

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/...ming-laptop-complete-with-dynamic-buttons.ars

An impressive machine, if you've got the coin.

Now the next question is, who really makes the laptop so razer can slap their name on it.

 

[MorphingDragon]

I never said anything about the Razer. I simply said the MBP is no a gaming computer. No laptop should really be considered for any serious gaming, there's no replacement for a custom built gaming rig in terms of price, power, and performance.

That said, the Razer is better for gaming as it does not use shoddy bootcamp drivers, other than that they would probably perform exactly the same (the CPU is not the bottleneck in modern gaming, it's the GPU).

A gaming machine is a computer somebody uses to play games. That is IT.

Also please, don't spout that mainstream bottleneck crap. The bottleneck isn't the GPU at all, its the way we code using the graphics pipeline.

 

[boss.king]

A gaming machine is a computer somebody uses to play games. That is IT.

Also please, don't spout that mainstream bottleneck crap. The bottleneck isn't the GPU at all, its the way we code using the graphics pipeline.

By your definition an iPod nano is a gaming machine. Don't be difficult just for the sake of arguing, in this context you should know perfectly well that a gaming machine would be a computer specifically targeted towards gamers.

Could you elaborate further on why the idea of the GPU being a bottleneck in the system is crap?

 

[oiuh151]

You asked what's different between the two and I told you

No, I asked what made it a gaming laptop. If that's the one thing that makes it a 'gaming' laptop then it's the only 'gaming' laptop on the planet.

I know. Everyone should have to put down a couple hundred dollars for a second OS they're barely gonna use. And who needs official dev support. All those SWTOR beta testers begging for a mac client must be idiots

Oh no, you have to spend $100 to $200 extra on a laptop you're already spending $2000 + on.

Yeah, if you want to call running Matlab algorithms a game

That's hilarious. So you think everyone should be running Pentium 4's because you think the processor isn't important? Any game that supports multithreading will benefit from having more cores. By your logic everyone should be running 6990's with Core Solo's. Games would run awful despite the amazing GPU.

 

[Liquorpuki]

Could you elaborate further on why the idea of the GPU being a bottleneck in the system is crap?

It's not. He's just trying to attack your argument from a coding angle, instead of the spec angle you guys were running with

No, I asked what made it a gaming laptop. If that's the one thing that makes it a 'gaming' laptop then it's the only 'gaming' laptop on the planet.

Yeah I see you guys trying to qualify an already ambiguous term (gaming laptop) using only CPU/GPU tech specs. Have fun with that

Oh no, you have to spend $100 to $200 extra on a laptop you're already spending $2000 + on.

Car salesmen must have a lot of fun with you

That's hilarious. So you think everyone should be running Pentium 4's because you think the processor isn't important? Any game that supports multithreading will benefit from having more cores. By your logic everyone should be running 6990's with Core Solo's. Games would run awful `despite the amazing GPU.

strawman

 

[jav6454]

It might look a little like this :

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/...ming-laptop-complete-with-dynamic-buttons.ars

An impressive machine, if you've got the coin.

There is one slight problem... the words: Gaming Laptop

You have to choose one, but you can't have the both on one sentence.

 

[Hellhammer]

Now the next question is, who really makes the laptop so razer can slap their name on it.

Probably Foxconn. It's not like Apple actually makes their laptops.