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onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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In my experience, everyone that tells me they hate or just don't like android have always been people that haven't used a high end android.

Someone will get something like a Samsung moment or an HTC hero when phones like the incredible were out, then say android sucks.

Not a fair comparison because you can't compare one companies low end with another companies highest end product.

People will use a cheap, FREE android and compare it to iPhone but it just doesn't work well.

It's like comparing a low end gm vehicle to Ford's navigator then complaining had the low end vehicle doesn't stack up.

Android has so many different phones,.there's the EVO line on Sprint, the droid line on Verizon, Google's nexus, and Samsung's galaxy s line which has become the cream of the crop in phones with the gs3.

As far as apps, Google has the advantage (except tablet apps). Google makes a better tablet overall, but I still prefer Apple for to apps and using it simply as a gaming and light internet tablet.

Apple should ease up on some restrictions

+1.

I've been saying something similar for the longest time. Android is a different beast of a different nature. Given Google's business model and philosophy with Android, one can get a horrendous Android device, definitely. However, one can also get an incredible Android device (especially in this day and age).

Research goes a long way.

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GMail also is more pleasant on iOS.

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zbarvian

macrumors 68010
Jul 23, 2011
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+1.

I've been saying something similar for the longest time. Android is a different beast of a different nature. Given Google's business model and philosophy with Android, one can get a horrendous Android device, definitely. However, one can also get an incredible Android device (especially in this day and age).

Research goes a long way.

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Google Maps and GMail on iOS have better UI design. That's all I meant, go read the context. I know there's more features on both for Android, but they are designed better (especially Maps) on iOS. More polished. It's clear they spent way more time designing Google Maps on iOS than they did for Android, and that's kind of sad.

GMail on Android JUST got pinch-to-zoom.
 
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spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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Remember JailbreakMe? There were two jailbreaks that worked solely from the browser. What this means is that there were enough exploits in the browser and the OS that a webpage could hack into the phone, gain root access, install applications, and modify the system. Of course in this case it was done with good intentions, but if malicious hackers discover similar exploits think of what they could do.



Android exploits are rarely in the media. What you see in the media are trojans. Mostly these come from pirated apps or dodgy Chinese app markets. The Google Play Store is quite safe, generally speaking.

It's not perfect however, and yes sometimes trojans get into the Play Store. But do you know what systems exist to prevent malware in the Play Store? The same systems Apple uses for the App Store. Both Google and Apple run apps in a simulated virtual environment and test to see if they're malicious. This isn't a perfect science and sometimes malware gets through for both platforms. As I said before, the difference is that on Android you can look at the permissions and see something is up, which you can't do on iOS.

And as far as real world examples go, aside from the Charlie Miller proof of concept, do you remember this little story? Where a large number of popular iOS apps uploaded users' entire address books without their knowledge?

Like I said, iOS is no safer than Android, it's just that iOS does a better job at hiding security risks from users.



It's gotten better as of late and yes more and more extensions are being ported over. Personally I still use Chrome as my main browser on my Nexus 7 but I do like Firefox regardless.



I believe Android has a high contrast mode as an OS setting, I'll check this for you next time I have my Nexus in front of me.

Interesting stuff, great information on the security stuff. You won't find the high contrast mode, at least not on jb 4.2.1 which is the last OS I messed around with, I scoured for it and asked on android forums. Seems something kind of weird to not have in an OS though.
 

0dev

macrumors 68040
Dec 22, 2009
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Interesting stuff, great information on the security stuff. You won't find the high contrast mode, at least not on jb 4.2.1 which is the last OS I messed around with, I scoured for it and asked on android forums. Seems something kind of weird to not have in an OS though.

Thanks.

You're right, no high contrast mode. A strange omission indeed, especially since Chrome on the computer does have high contrast mode.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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+1.

I've been saying something similar for the longest time. Android is a different beast of a different nature. Given Google's business model and philosophy with Android, one can get a horrendous Android device, definitely. However, one can also get an incredible Android device (especially in this day and age).

Research goes a long way.

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It's not true always. I has a nexus 7 and I still didn't quite fall in love with it, I'm definitely a super high end user, although in the end even the iPad mini didn't satisfy me, both OS are way too simple for me and I opted for a windows tablet. It's odd, but I have a feeling many users are like me; I want the most complex OS which I can make it do anything for my tablets, but on the flip side I want the simplest most stable OS for my phone.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
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It's not true always. I has a nexus 7 and I still didn't quite fall in love with it, I'm definitely a super high end user, although in the end even the iPad mini didn't satisfy me, both OS are way too simple for me and I opted for a windows tablet. It's odd, but I have a feeling many users are like me; I want the most complex OS which I can make it do anything for my tablets, but on the flip side I want the simplest most stable OS for my phone.

I was discussing smartphones (which wasn't clear, my bad). I hear ya.
 

raptorstv

macrumors 6502
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Mar 24, 2011
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100% agreed. Android's fine in terms of apps if all you use are the big name brands. Venture outside of those big names and the quality of the Play Store quickly falls to pieces. Yes, there are some great apps outside those big names, but there's also a multitude of awful, shoddy iPhone ports. This is especially apparent if you live in, or have interests in, a smaller market. I live in Australia and have interests in a number of niche markets and Android just plain sucks for what I'm interested in. I've said this before, but there's still nothing to offer surfers on Android. You can't get the best surf cam app around, Coastalwatch, on Android, which is a deal breaker for Australian surfers, nor can you watch any more than 3 WCT events live on Android, thanks to the majority of the big name surfing companies not bothering with an Android app (some do, they don't work though, Billabong's is the only one whose app actually works, but it's an ugly iPhone port). That's just one example, then you've got apps which are available, but are terrible compared to the iPhone version. E.g. NBL.TV, an app for those who bought a season pass for online streaming of Australian basketball, was finally released (almost halfway through the season, when it was supposed to be released at the beginning of the season) on Android... but crashes every time I try and play a video with it, which defeats the purpose of the app.

You nailed it regarding ports though, iOS is the platform where most mobile apps first feature (bar keyboards, launchers etc etc), with Android often getting delayed ports, if it receives the app at all. This is especially apparent when it comes to games. iOS has so many great, original games that often take months (at least) to make it to Android, if at all. Some of the best even take years (e.g. the Chaos Rings series).

Same here in Canada... Big Canadian TV channels only have apps on iOS app store
 

Digital Skunk

macrumors G3
Dec 23, 2006
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In my imagination
iOS would need a revamp. If Apple put out a 5" iphone and I picked it up to see the same wall of icons I've been looking at forever now I'd probably barf....

Agreed, and I wouldn't be interested in a 5" iPhone mainly because I've already gone to 5.5" and love it for the amount of productivity it provides.

That and the aging disgrace that is now iOS wont make me come back for a while. I am trying to see what the tablet game will become and jump to Android with those.

iOS has really become the new Palm OS 5.3.1
 

roxxette

macrumors 68000
Aug 9, 2011
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The problem is not IF :( is WHEN ! and thats the problem, how long till apple introduce a proper big screen :eek:
 

zbarvian

macrumors 68010
Jul 23, 2011
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I had the chance to use the One X today. Fantastic hardware and screen, but the software sucks. I think 4.7" is near perfect.
 

Sounds Good

macrumors 68000
Jul 8, 2007
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I'm torn between the S3 and the Note 2. I think my problem would be solved if the S4 came out a bit sooner, but oh well.
 

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
2,998
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I'm not sure I would go back to an iPhone for a bigger screen. There are just so many things that I prefer on Android.

However, one thing I do not like about Android is email. I got K9 because I heard it was the best. But whenever I get an email with a picture or an Amazon order confirmation, I cannot zoom out to view the entire image.

It annoys me like crazy. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but it does the same thing in the stock email app and in the GMail app. Never had this problem on an iPhone.

But if someone can tell me how to fix that problem, all my major qualms with Android would be gone.
 

tbayrgs

macrumors 604
Jul 5, 2009
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So? I don't use any of the other email apps he mentioned, but I am trying to be helpful (unlike you) with the Gmail app since he mentioned it.

Point taken, I did admittedly miss the Gmail app statement in his post as I did incorrectly assume he was using a non-Gmail address since he chose K9. I see lots of positive praise for the Gmail app on Android (don't use it myself as I don't use a Gmail account for email) so I figured he chose something else because it was unavailable to him.
 

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
2,998
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Texas
Gmail, settings, general settings, check auto fit

Thanks for the info. But the problem is I have more email accounts than just 1. And they are not all through Google.

While that is helpful, it is ridiculous that the default email client does not allow you to see the full image. Even using the stock email app for a GMail account. So unfortunately, this does not help my current situation at all. But again, thank you for the information.
 
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raptorstv

macrumors 6502
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Mar 24, 2011
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Thanks for the info. But the problem is I have more email accounts than just 1. And they are not all through Google.

While that is helpful, it is ridiculous that the default email client does not allow you to see the full image. Even using the stock email app for a GMail account. So unfortunately, this does not help my current situation at all. But again, thank you for the information.

just open it on your laptop, problem solved...
 

aimeeinohio

macrumors regular
Nov 20, 2010
216
2
I also don't like how the GS3 has the power button on the side of the phone, right where you grip it. How is this even logical? Turned it off so many times just holding it or flipping to landscape.

I really don't regret returning it. Only thing I miss is that big, beautiful screen. I appreciate that you can upgrade the storage with a SD card (big fail on Apple's part), but given how hard it is to connect the phone to my computer just to see its internal storage, I don't know how I'd even make use of it.

I had the same experience- went from iP4 to the s3....I WAS able to get my music on the phone from iTunes using iTunes Syncr (and it worked VERY FAST!), but my computer (a Win 7 PC) would NOT play with the phone....I had a heck of a time even getting my photos off of it.

I hit that dang button a million times while playing games. :eek:

I miss the huge screen- but then again on the other hand, I can text one-handed with the iPhone (I went to the 4s). I loved, loved, loved the LED notification light (I don't always have my phone on me, and especially that s3 wouldnt fit in anything but my back pocket), and a few other small things...but it was a RELIEF for me to get back to iOS....I was so frustrated.
 

raptorstv

macrumors 6502
Original poster
Mar 24, 2011
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I had the same experience- went from iP4 to the s3....I WAS able to get my music on the phone from iTunes using iTunes Syncr (and it worked VERY FAST!), but my computer (a Win 7 PC) would NOT play with the phone....I had a heck of a time even getting my photos off of it.

I hit that dang button a million times while playing games. :eek:

I miss the huge screen- but then again on the other hand, I can text one-handed with the iPhone (I went to the 4s). I loved, loved, loved the LED notification light (I don't always have my phone on me, and especially that s3 wouldnt fit in anything but my back pocket), and a few other small things...but it was a RELIEF for me to get back to iOS....I was so frustrated.

What i hate the most is those back and menu button... Always accidentally touched those... How annoying
 

aimeeinohio

macrumors regular
Nov 20, 2010
216
2
What i hate the most is those back and menu button... Always accidentally touched those... How annoying

LOL that's funny- I LOVED those buttons....Esp that back button. After having an iPhone that the home button wore out on, that back button seems so smart...What I think is that there needs to be a way to lock it so it you don't WANT to hit it, it won't do anything.
 
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