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iPhone X If I drop iphone X, can face id sensors give harmful infrared radiation?

Freepple

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When I search the forum, I see that infrared radiation safety of ipone x is no longer discussed. I assume that small doses of repeated infrared radiation ( aprox. 80 times a day) has no side effects. However I still wonder if I drop iphone x, (physical shock) can true depth camera sensors give harmful infrared radiation. As far as I know kinect used similar sensors and there was a caution about physical shock to the sensors. From kinect’s guide “The Prime Sensor is not designed to tolerate significant physical shocks. A damage to the Prime Sensor exterior (and especially to the optics that cover the light source), may result in hazardous radiation exposure. Upon occurrence of damage to the Prime Sensor, a user must stop using the product immediately.”
 
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Freepple said:
When I search the forum, I see that infrared radiation safety of ipone x is no longer discussed. I assume that small doses of repeated infrared radiation ( aprox. 80 times a day) has no side effects. However I still wonder if I drop iphone x, (physical shock) can true depth camera sensors give harmful infrared radiation. As far as I know kinect used similar sensors and there was a caution about physical shock to the sensors. From kinect’s guide “The Prime Sensor is not designed to tolerate significant physical shocks. A damage to the Prime Sensor exterior (and especially to the optics that cover the light source), may result in hazardous radiation exposure. Upon occurrence of damage to the Prime Sensor, a user must stop using the product immediately.”[/QUOTE

Apple leaving itself open to class action really doubtful.
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Freepple said:
Then what do you think about kinect’s caution?
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aristobrat said:
Kinect was designed to sense multiple bodies in a room. That scale is sooooo much larger than the iPhone X’s design.
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Even then it’s just a legal bit of info they provide to cover their arses. On iTunes EULA they’ve mentioned a clause that says - you’re not supposed to use it for any terrorist activities -

I’d really like to know which terrorist organisation uses iTunes to design weapons of mass destruction.
 
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akash.nu said:
I’d really like to know which terrorist organisation uses iTunes to design weapons of mass destruction.
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Well, the software seems to cause many a people constant headaches so maybe there's something there! Those sneaky Al Qaeda -bastards slightly inconveniencing people, a new form of attack if nothing more.

Disclaimer: I have no issues with iTunes, nor am I a terrorist of any sort or endorse any such activities.
 
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So, what do you think about apple’s statement “The TrueDepth camera system is safe to use under normal usage conditions. It's important to know that the infrared emitters could be damaged during repair or disassembly, so your iPhone should always be serviced by Apple or an authorized service provider. The TrueDepth camera system incorporates tamper-detection features. If tampering is detected, the system may be disabled for safety reasons.“ what’s normal usage conditions and why the system is disabled for safety reasons?
 
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Freepple said:
So, what do you think about apple’s statement “The TrueDepth camera system is safe to use under normal usage conditions. It's important to know that the infrared emitters could be damaged during repair or disassembly, so your iPhone should always be serviced by Apple or an authorized service provider. The TrueDepth camera system incorporates tamper-detection features. If tampering is detected, the system may be disabled for safety reasons.“ what’s normal usage conditions and why the system is disabled for safety reasons?
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It’s the same reason why batteries don’t keep on charging for unlimited time.

Are you just starting to use electronics in the modern time?!

Companies need to follow various rules and regulations and legal requirements to release hardware in the market. It’s just part of that.

Ps. Have you read the small prints behind your microwave cooker ever? It says - do not open, chances of exposure to high radiation. There are loads of such info everywhere around relating to a lot of things we use daily without giving a second thought.
 
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I think the important part is:
your iPhone should always be serviced by Apple or an authorized service provider
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The rest is CYA stuff from Apple.
"Normal usage conditions" is just what it says, and I don't think it accomplishes much by trying to read something into that, when there isn't much more to consider. My assumption (for what it is worth) is that normal usage conditions implies the conditions that most users would have when using an iPhone, within temperature/climate/altitude limits, of course.
 
akash.nu said:
It’s the same reason why batteries don’t keep on charging for unlimited time.

Are you just starting to use electronics in the modern time?!

Companies need to follow various rules and regulations and legal requirements to release hardware in the market. It’s just part of that.

Ps. Have you read the small prints behind your microwave cooker ever? It says - do not open, chances of exposure to high radiation. There are loads of such info everywhere around relating to a lot of things we use daily without giving a second thought.
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Or those warning in business. Like cancers labels at a store. There’s those cover you ass labels everywhere. Video games have seizure warnings.
 
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Freepple said:
what’s normal usage conditions and why the system is disabled for safety reasons?
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Normal usage, is scanning your face hundreds of times a day !
Disabled for safety reasons, is when somebody might try to bypass the face scanning sensor to pass by the safety enclave
in a way that is forgo the scanning sensor to get access to the iphone.

Please don't try to make it sound more ominous about possible "radiation" problems :)
just read all the "infrared radiation" posts when the iPhone-X was launched, that should keep you busy for a few weeks, and you will come to the conclusion that infrared "radiation" from the sensor poses no danger whatsoever :)
 
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Freepple said:
When I search the forum, I see that infrared radiation safety of ipone x is no longer discussed. I assume that small doses of repeated infrared radiation ( aprox. 80 times a day) has no side effects. However I still wonder if I drop iphone x, (physical shock) can true depth camera sensors give harmful infrared radiation. As far as I know kinect used similar sensors and there was a caution about physical shock to the sensors. From kinect’s guide “The Prime Sensor is not designed to tolerate significant physical shocks. A damage to the Prime Sensor exterior (and especially to the optics that cover the light source), may result in hazardous radiation exposure. Upon occurrence of damage to the Prime Sensor, a user must stop using the product immediately.”
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If you are seriously worried about this and still have the phone, you need a different sort of medical help. Get rid of the phone and get an 8, stop worrying.
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akash.nu said:
It’s the same reason why batteries don’t keep on charging for unlimited time.

Are you just starting to use electronics in the modern time?!

Companies need to follow various rules and regulations and legal requirements to release hardware in the market. It’s just part of that.

Ps. Have you read the small prints behind your microwave cooker ever? It says - do not open, chances of exposure to high radiation. There are loads of such info everywhere around relating to a lot of things we use daily without giving a second thought.
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Or forget worrying about what happens if you open the thing. Have you ever walked close to a microwave oven with a bluetooth headset ? I get static or even lose the connection to the phone.
 
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Freepple said:
So, what do you think about apple’s statement “The TrueDepth camera system is safe to use under normal usage conditions. It's important to know that the infrared emitters could be damaged during repair or disassembly, so your iPhone should always be serviced by Apple or an authorized service provider. The TrueDepth camera system incorporates tamper-detection features. If tampering is detected, the system may be disabled for safety reasons.“ what’s normal usage conditions and why the system is disabled for safety reasons?
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Normal conditions are unlocking via FaceID and safety would be trying to tamper with the system to access the secure enclave.
 
newellj said:
If you are seriously worried about this and still have the phone, you need a different sort of medical help. Get rid of the phone and get an 8, stop worrying.
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I don’t know much about infrared technology.
I have some questions and try to find some answers. You don’t need to talk like that!
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There’s a lot of undue vitriol towards the OP here.

They asked a legitimate question: what happens if you drop a device and possibly break any safety filters (should any exist) potentially exposing oneself to a greater amount of a very specific form of radiation.

To the OP: no,you do not need to be concerned. IR radiation is all around us and most often detected by us as heat. There is no danger to begin with; dropping your phone doesn’t change that.

As for the legal “CYA” posts — there are actually many legitimate reasons why we have regulations and legal labeling requirements. Most of those have to do with human stupidity.
 
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riverfreak said:
There’s a lot of undue vitriol towards the OP here.

They asked a legitimate question: what happens if you drop a device and possibly break any safety filters (should any exist) potentially exposing oneself to a greater amount of a very specific form of radiation.

To the OP: no,you do not need to be concerned. IR radiation is all around us and most often detected by us as heat. There is no danger to begin with; dropping your phone doesn’t change that.

As for the legal “CYA” posts — there are actually many legitimate reasons why we have regulations and legal labeling requirements. Most of those have to do with human stupidity.
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Thank you for your thoughtful response
 
newellj said:
If you are seriously worried about this and still have the phone, you need a different sort of medical help. Get rid of the phone and get an 8, stop worrying.
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You can’t know if he still have the phone or even have it yet. I suggets you to speak more polite to other people! And if anyone who needs medical help is YOU!
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I just wanna learn some technical knowledge about face id, infrared and safety before purchasing the phone not a personal discussion
 
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riverfreak said:
To the OP: no,you do not need to be concerned. IR radiation is all around us and most often detected by us as heat. There is no danger to begin with; dropping your phone doesn’t change that.
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While you are right that's it's not harmful your explanation is total BS.

Just that a kind of radiation is all around us doesn't make a laser with that wavelength harmless.

It's all about the energy which hits your eyes for a specific time. That's why a green laser pointer with more than 1mW can kill your eyesight. Even when we have a lot of green light outdoors;)

I worked with lasers for a living. The problem with lasers usually is that they are very focused and this can harm your eyes. So anything above 1mW is forbidden for personal use.

So I hope Apple sticks to that. But with the dot projector the energy per point should be much weaker...
 
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