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Ifti

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I always use Migration Assistant via a Time Machine backup. It has always worked wonderfully for me and I’m back up and running with all my apps and settings in no time!
 
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DanShockley

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I just transferred to a new M2 Pro MacBook Pro from a 2020 Intel MacBook Air (running macOS Monterey). Overall, it went really well.
I used a Time Machine Backup from the old Mac on an SSD drive with Migration Assistant. I made sure to have the right type of USB-C cable for the drive. It took less than an hour to do about 300 GB of files. When I logged into the new MBP after that, there were a bunch of security approvals I had to do, of course. But, all of my network and system settings that matched from Monterey to Ventura came over well. I didn’t need to re-enter any Wi-Fi passwords. A few apps needed to be updated/replaced. But, that had nothing to do with Migration Assistant.

Unless you have a LOT of time available, or perhaps if you like working with a Mac mostly similar to default, I wouldn’t bother starting from scratch. It takes a lot more time to get everything set the way you want. I’ve done both, and just don’t have the time it would take to get everything back the way I want it if I had to start from scratch.
 
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smirking

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I mean, I’ve bought at least 4 different MacOS products in the last two years and it doesn’t even though I select everything sooooo

I've had to do something like 15 migrations in the past few years. It seemed to me that it was actually quite thorough in transferring everything that could be useful. If anything, it transferred too much. I'm still weeding out weird plists, caches, and preference files for programs I deleted a decade ago.

Just because settings get transferred doesn't mean they'll work on your new machine. The most common issue is that your old license code only worked on your old machine and you have to work with the software author to release the old license and reassign it to your new machine.

Now, I may have done a ton of migrations, but I did each of them under duress so I'm not going to be the most reliable narrator. I wasn't in a mood to take notes and compare results carefully. Everything I expected to transfer seemed to transfer even though the results weren't what I had hoped.

The stuff that got messed up the most were programming packages that I installed from the command line. I'm not sure if some of that stuff got left behind, got permissions corrupted in transfer, or just wasn't compatible with my new system. That stuff is breaking all the time anyway so it's hard for me to tell.
 
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smirking

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Unless you have a LOT of time available, or perhaps if you like working with a Mac mostly similar to default, I wouldn’t bother starting from scratch. It takes a lot more time to get everything set the way you want. I’ve done both, and just don’t have the time it would take to get everything back the way I want it if I had to start from scratch.

I'd be all for install from scratch if it were a reliable way to fix problems, but the thing is that you can spend all that time doing a "clean install" and end up in the same place because very few of us have any idea what might be causing those issues we have so we could very well just reinstall the package that's causing our very issues.

That said, system maintenance isn't a bad idea. I just think clean installing is a poor way to do it. That annoying Ventura bug that kept telling us we had login item issues made me realize how many helper agents I've got hanging around from a decade ago. I've since periodically spent a few minutes going through that list to remove anything that I can't find any use for anymore. Doing that in small increments has the advantage that if purge something I really shouldn't have, I'll have a pretty good idea what I might need to get back. If you did a mass purge through a clean install... good luck.
 
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petvas

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A question about the system nettings transferring to the new computer -

I clicked the checkbox to move the system settings to the new computer. Does that also transfer such things as the various WiFi routers and passwords I’ve used? I know I put in the password for the router I’m currently using when I first opened up the computer so I’m wondering if I’ll need to identify and put in the password to another wifi router I use frequently. I don’t have plans on using it for the rest of the month, but if I’ve got to put in the password etc. again, I may put it up and log in now, while I’ve got spare time, rather than get annoyed when I’m tired after a long day and have to do one more thing while setting up camp.
These are saved in iCloud Keychain. Just make sure you sync it across your devices.
 
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scouser75

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My M1 Pro has an issue and rather frustratingly I'll be sent a replacement (although on the plus side it m right be an M2). I'll then need to transfer all my apps and documents over.

I don't mind reinstalling my apps, but documents is gonna be a pain. Does migration assistant at least transfer all documents spot on and 100% accurately?
 

Fishrrman

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"I don't mind reinstalling my apps, but documents is gonna be a pain. Does migration assistant at least transfer all documents spot on and 100% accurately?"

If you've kept a proper backup (time machine, CarbonCopyCloner, SuperDuper), there should be no problems.

See reply #20 earlier in this thread.
 
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scouser75

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I haven't, but was hoping to do it directly from my current Mac as the retailer has kindly agreed to send the replacement first so I can transfer everything from my current Mac, and once done I can return the faulty one.

Will this be possible?
 

scouser75

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"I don't mind reinstalling my apps, but documents is gonna be a pain. Does migration assistant at least transfer all documents spot on and 100% accurately?"

If you've kept a proper backup (time machine, CarbonCopyCloner, SuperDuper), there should be no problems.

See reply #20 earlier in this thread.
And just looked at post 20 and it looks dead simple... on screen anyway 😄 I also looked, and it should be possible to use Migration Assistant from Mac to Mac so that's a relief.
 

Fishrrman

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scouser --

If you want setup assistant to "just work", use an external backup drive as "the go-between".

And again, follow the steps in reply 20 above.
 
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Chester Stone

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Just went through this.

iCloud notes & mail are smooth. Everything else: It's not smooth.

- Software licenses & checks (Creative Cloud, Scrivener, Sketch, HEY, etc)
- Disabling Dropbox on older machines to fall under device limit
- Logging into Gmail, net accounts triggers security & 2FA checks
- Keyboard shortcuts and replacements
- Sublime text preferences
- Browser preferences, bookmarks, custom scripts & plugins, history, commonly visited sites
- Twitter preferences, like hiding trends
- Photoshop plugins
- Calendar syncing, some events don't show
- Pastebot stopped working
- Slack and Teams notification settings bug out, show badges when supposed to be hidden
- Provisioning profiles & signing certificates for Xcode developer
- Saved passwords don't all transfer
- Favorited Emojis and the ordering of commonly used emoji
- Japanese language dictionary, having learned my commonly used spellings and kanjifications
- In-app data history and preferences
- Time Machine doesn't continue seamlessly... not all data is recovered from last backup
- Music library: iTunes synced/authorized but playlists don't restore items that weren't purchased from iTunes
- Spotlight indexing

Just to name a few...
 
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xraydoc

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Alas I don't have a thunderbolt cable. Can it be done via blue tooth?
Mac to Mac Thunderbolt I think runs at a minimum of 10 Gbps (10,000 Mbps).

Wifi, depending on what kind of system you use, is about 100-800 Mbps. I'd say anticipate ~300 Mbps on 802.11ac 5GHz.

Bluetooth 4 has a maximum of 24 Mbps. Bluetooth 5 (if both devices have it) is a maximum of 50 Mbps.

* I believe you can do it over ethernet, but you'd have to double check; that could run up to 1 Gbps (max. theoretical) if both machines have gigabit ethernet.

You definitely do not want to attempt a Mac to Mac migration over bluetooth (I don't even think that's an option).
 

harleymhs

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The reply 2 above was misleading.

You SHOULD use setup assistant (which runs the very first time the Mac boots) to do the transfer. It may not bring over 100%, but it will probably get you 90-95% (or closer) to "where you need to be".

BUT...
You must do it properly.

I would recommend that you use an EXTERNAL USB backup drive, such as time machine. A cloned backup created with either CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper is better (both of these apps are free to download and use for 30 days, creating one will cost you nothing).

Have your backup ready BEFORE you unbox the new MBP.

Unbox the MBP and set it on the table.
DO NOT OPEN THE LID YET (it will boot as soon as you lift the lid).

Connect the backup. NOW open the lid.

The MBP will boot to the setup screen.
Start clicking through.
At the appropriate moment, setup assistant will ask if you wish to migrate from another drive. YES, you want to do this, so "aim" setup assistant at your backup.

SA will "digest" the contents of the backup.
It takes time, so be patient.

SA will present you with "a list" of stuff to be migrated.
I'd just migrate it all -- that's the default setting, anyway.

Turn SA loose and let it go to work.
The migration will take a while, so be patient.

When done, you should see your old login screen.
So... log in and "look around".

Good luck!
GREAT! Never knew this! I just used MA but after the setup process. Have to try this way next! Thanks !
 

scouser75

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Thanks guys. I'm going to buy this tomorrow and use it with Time Machine then transfer all my stuff when the new machine arrives

 

gradi

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Connect the backup. NOW open the lid.

The MBP will boot to the setup screen.
Start clicking through.
At the appropriate moment, setup assistant will ask if you wish to migrate from another drive. YES, you want to do this, so "aim" setup assistant at your backup.

SA will "digest" the contents of the backup.
It takes time, so be patient.

SA will present you with "a list" of stuff to be migrated.
I'd just migrate it all -- that's the default setting, anyway.

Turn SA loose and let it go to work.
The migration will take a while, so be patient.
I have an M1 Mini 16gb/512gb. My SSD has 364gb free. I have my Time Machine backup on an external USB 3 HDD. I have ordered a 16" M2 Pro MBP 32gb/1tb. I have Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Topaz programs, XnView MP, and FreeFileSync installed. I think that is all the non-Apple software I have. And not so much data on my SSD (as you can see by all the free space I have on the 512gb SSD).

You say that Setup Assistant will take a while, but how long are you talking about? Do you mean tens of minutes, hours, many hours?
 

Fpmtngal

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I have an M1 Mini 16gb/512gb. My SSD has 364gb free. I have my Time Machine backup on an external USB 3 HDD. I have ordered a 16" M2 Pro MBP 32gb/1tb. I have Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Topaz programs, XnView MP, and FreeFileSync installed. I think that is all the non-Apple software I have. And not so much data on my SSD (as you can see by all the free space I have on the 512gb SSD).

You say that Setup Assistant will take a while, but how long are you talking about? Do you mean tens of minutes, hours, many hours?
I had my two computers (Intel MBP and the new M2Max MBP) connected by a Thunderbolt 4 cable and it took about a little over an hour to transfer everything - my SSD had more data than yours (I think it was around 800GB that was on it). I don’t know if it would have been quicker to do it from the Time Machine backup I had for the old computer or not. Since you are not migrating from an Intel computer, you won’t have the problem I had with some of the older Topaz Labs plug-ins that only work on Intel macs - that was a surprise for me as I used one a lot.
 

RonPNW

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In the past I have always gone through the pain of a clean install of all the apps. I am considering the migration assistant but ...
Over time you will always have left over trash from applications that you no longer use, applications you trialed and did not buy and just mysterious stuff that turns up. A clean install tends to get rid of this junk. Will the migration assistant ignore this junk as it transfers the applications that you select?
 
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scouser75

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In the past I have always gone through the pain of a clean install of all the apps. I am considering the migration assistant but ...
Over time you will always have left over trash from applications that you no longer use, applications you trialed and did not buy and just mysterious stuff that turns up. A clean install tends to get rid of this junk. Will the migration assistant ignore this junk as it transfers the applications that you select?
I'm the same. I want a clean install and hoping MA will allow this.
 

scouser75

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Well, a quick update; I used migration assistant and it most definitely did not give me a clean install. It bought in all of my 250gb of System data across. So in the end I went through the painful task of bringing everything in manually.
 

gradi

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Recently I bought a 16" M2 Pro MBP 32gb/1tb. I used the Time Machine external drive on my M1 Mini 16gb/512gb and Migration Assistant to transfer everything to the MBP. It took about an hour. Four of my apps had problems though. The first time I ran them a window came up, said the app was corrupted, and it would be moved to the trash. Had to download those from the internet and install them. A few configuration problems too.

If I had it to do over I would install everything manually. I did not save any time. In fact, in total I spent more time trying to fix stuff and figure out what was not right than if I just did everything manually from the beginning.
 
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jagolden

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The reply 2 above was misleading.

You SHOULD use setup assistant (which runs the very first time the Mac boots) to do the transfer. It may not bring over 100%, but it will probably get you 90-95% (or closer) to "where you need to be".

BUT...
You must do it properly.

I would recommend that you use an EXTERNAL USB backup drive, such as time machine. A cloned backup created with either CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper is better (both of these apps are free to download and use for 30 days, creating one will cost you nothing).

Have your backup ready BEFORE you unbox the new MBP.

Unbox the MBP and set it on the table.
DO NOT OPEN THE LID YET (it will boot as soon as you lift the lid).

Connect the backup. NOW open the lid.

The MBP will boot to the setup screen.
Start clicking through.
At the appropriate moment, setup assistant will ask if you wish to migrate from another drive. YES, you want to do this, so "aim" setup assistant at your backup.

SA will "digest" the contents of the backup.
It takes time, so be patient.

SA will present you with "a list" of stuff to be migrated.
I'd just migrate it all -- that's the default setting, anyway.

Turn SA loose and let it go to work.
The migration will take a while, so be patient.

When done, you should see your old login screen.
So... log in and "look around".

Good luck!
I have a usb-c ssd, believe it’s 3.0. I want to migrate that TM to aMBP WITH TB 4.
What would be the correct cable to use? Can I use the Apple TB4 cable?
I’m more confused than ever.
 
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